SDSU at MSU

[goon]

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How is this for a play on 3rd and 1? Rush to the line, snap quickly, hand off to your Superstar Running Back, run right behind your All American left tackle.

Seems like a coach with Stig's experience should be capable of thinking of this play whether he is an offensive coordinator or not. Wide side, short side it don't matter.

Sometimes the coaches tend to over think things. Football isn't that complicated. Block, tackle, run the ball, low man wins. I know Witzman easily gets a 2 yard push against the lighter DE's of todays football.

Jacks had the same problem with 3rd and short even when Kyle Minnet was RB. Time to finally fix the problem.

The pass works when the defense is afraid of the threat of your run and has minimum 8 men in the box.

Plus I think its also how our offensive line zone or gap blocks, now i dont really know the difference it terms and strategies, but it seems like we arent really getting all the blocks on the line even. that a team can stack one side of the line with a blitz and unless ZZ is back there it wont get picked up by the line yet we will have a linemen standing there either totally mising a block or didnt have anyone to block. gets frustrating for sure. seems like we dont ever pull a guard or anything or have any complex blocking schemes. Just frustrating when we should be better but we seem to struggle with what seems rather simple.

[TK22867]

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Plus on this subject - you guys are making it seem like rocket science.

Austin can count to 8. 8 men in the box - pass. 7 men in the box - run.

Waiting for the coaches takes to long. A defense advantage is that they can move. By the time the coaches relay the play, they've moved. Grade school stuff.

Also - home field advantage - for most teams - means the offense can hear Austin make the changes. It should technically be loud enough at CAS that the opposition on offense cannot audible. It drives me nuts at CAS that when it is third down, the crowd will get loud when the opposition is on offense, but they peak way before the opposition offense snaps the ball. The crowd should be loudest when the opposition is at the line so they can't have the QB audible.

I give Austin credit. I think he can count to 8. Eidness and Stig apparently don't think he can. Apparently the Jacks coaches are such control freaks that they cannot give up the control.

I think you are drastically oversimplifying this. What's the complication? How about the fact that even if we have 8 men in the box, our receivers can't get separation. See today's article in the Argus. It's pretty evident that TV knows our guys can't get separation even though Eidsness tries to sugarcoat it.

I'm not sure now, but under Chip Kelly the Ducks looked over to the sideline for every play. Yeah, there offense sure sucked didn't it.

[jackdaniel]

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I think you are drastically oversimplifying this. What's the complication? How about the fact that even if we have 8 men in the box, our receivers can't get separation. See today's article in the Argus. It's pretty evident that TV knows our guys can't get separation even though Eidsness tries to sugarcoat it.

I'm not sure now, but under Chip Kelly the Ducks looked over to the sideline for every play. Yeah, there offense sure sucked didn't it.

I wonder if our recievers can't get separation because we run the same pass plays every game,nothing to confuse the defense?They can probably cover our guys in their sleep.

[jackdaniel]

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The more I read this thread , the less confident I am we can even hang with UNI.
I hope the players don't get wind of all this,unless they have a lot tougher psyche than I have.

[shot_5533]

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I think you are drastically oversimplifying this. What's the complication? How about the fact that even if we have 8 men in the box, our receivers can't get separation. See today's article in the Argus. It's pretty evident that TV knows our guys can't get separation even though Eidsness tries to sugarcoat it.

I'm not sure now, but under Chip Kelly the Ducks looked over to the sideline for every play. Yeah, there offense sure sucked didn't it.

Yep and the Eagles are just unstoppable this year aren't they? Boy that Chip Kelly is an offensive genius. He was a genius in college because he cheated in obtaining players and the NCAA nailed him for it. C'mon...

And TV - yeah - he is a great football mind.

How was Schnieder leading the conference in catches with no separation?

Nothing wrong with occasionally looking to the sidelines for the play and not huddling. But change it up so EVERYONE in the stadium doesn't know what your going to run. Also - being able to audible - is a home field advantage. How many stadiums in the Conference are too loud to audible on the road too? I know 2. The two hell hole domes. Have you ever been on either ones turf? You almost get injured just walking on it. But they do get loud and they do pipe in sound.

Eidness forgot more football than TV knows.

I think the thumb injury holds more credence than the other theories here.

[shot_5533]

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The more I read this thread , the less confident I am we can even hang with UNI.
I hope the players don't get wind of all this,unless they have a lot tougher psyche than I have.

Chortling here.

99% of the players could care less about this forum.

The only one I ever heard that paid attention was TOB.

Give Stig credit in this department, his players ignore what others say. They are united as a team on this front.

[TK22867]

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Yep and the Eagles are just unstoppable this year aren't they? Boy that Chip Kelly is an offensive genius. He was a genius in college because he cheated in obtaining players and the NCAA nailed him for it. C'mon...

And TV - yeah - he is a great football mind.

How was Schnieder leading the conference in catches with no separation?

Nothing wrong with occasionally looking to the sidelines for the play and not huddling. But change it up so EVERYONE in the stadium doesn't know what your going to run. Also - being able to audible - is a home field advantage. How many stadiums in the Conference are too loud to audible on the road too? I know 2. The two hell hole domes. Have you ever been on either ones turf? You almost get injured just walking on it. But they do get loud and they do pipe in sound.

Eidness forgot more football than TV knows.

I think the thumb injury holds more credence than the other theories here.

You really want to debate Chip Kelly's offensive credentials while he was at Oregon? Really?

Schneider is leading the conference in catches because he is a possession receiver, and he's caught those passes in a dink and dunk offense. Of course he is going to have a ton of catches. However, he, nor anyone else on the team is a threat to stretch the field. When there is 8 in the box, with the potential for some LBs to blitz, you need time to throw downfield. We are the conference leader in sacks given up, and have no speedy wideouts, yet we are magically supposed to chuck the ball down the field all day long when you "think" the defense is playing run?

Here's an e-mail address: Justin.Sell@sdstate.edu Feel free to e-mail him your coaching resume' and offer yourself as EidSness replacement. It appears you are way more qualified than he is.

Personally, I am getting real tired of folks coming down so hard on Eidsness, Stig, the coaching staff, and the players. Do you not all think they are trying their best to get this thing back on track?

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[shot_5533]

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You really want to debate Chip Kelly's offensive credentials while he was at Oregon? Really?

Schneider is leading the conference in catches because he is a possession receiver, and he's caught those passes in a dink and dunk offense. Of course he is going to have a ton of catches. However, he, nor anyone else on the team is a threat to stretch the field. When there is 8 in the box, with the potential for some LBs to blitz, you need time to throw downfield. We are the conference leader in sacks given up, and have no speedy wideouts, yet we are magically supposed to chuck the ball down the field all day long when you "think" the defense is playing run?

Here's an e-mail address: Justin.Sell@sdstate.edu Feel free to e-mail him your coaching resume' and offer yourself as EidSness replacement. It appears you are way more qualified than he is.

Personally, I am getting real tired of folks coming down so hard on Eidsness, Stig, the coaching staff, and the players. Do you not all think they are trying their best to get this thing back on track?

I don't care about the Ducks. All I know is they and Chip Kelly were HUGE CHEATERS. That is why he no longer coaches the Ducks. It is easy to look like a great offensive mind when you have the best players. He goes to the NFL and what happens? No longer a genius... but no more Duck talk from me. You want an offensive genius, watch Mike McCarthy run the best offense in the NFC with 3 out of his top 4 receivers out.

I also credited Eidness if you read what I wrote. I personally think the issue lies with the new offensive line coach than Eidness. The Jacks changed their blocking scheme and it doesn't work. Do some research and you'll find out that they did change this.

When did I ever say throw it deep against an 8 man front? It depends upon if they are blitzing or not. If they blitz, hit your hot receiver. If you go deep when they blitz - put some air under the ball. Hope your receiver doesn't "cramp". Man what excuse was that one??? Take what the defense gives you. That is all I'm saying and it is simple, basic football. You can choose to believe the complexity of the game, but basically it is still blocking and tackling. Run the ball and stop the run. Watch the offensive and defensive lineman and not the receivers for a change and you'll see what is going to happen on the play most of the time.

Since you don't want to pass against the 8 man front; you want to pound the run into the teeth of the D line - you should apply for a job with the Minnesota Vikings. They do it all game long. Sunday night will be a good example of my philosophy vs. yours. I like what the Packers do.

And yes Austin is not Rogers, but Austin is better than 90% of the QB's in the FCS.

[shot_5533]

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[bigticket1]

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How is this for a play on 3rd and 1? Rush to the line, snap quickly, hand off to your Superstar Running Back, run right behind your All American left tackle.

Seems like a coach with Stig's experience should be capable of thinking of this play whether he is an offensive coordinator or not. Wide side, short side it don't matter.

Sometimes the coaches tend to over think things. Football isn't that complicated. Block, tackle, run the ball, low man wins. I know Witzman easily gets a 2 yard push against the lighter DE's of todays football.

Jacks had the same problem with 3rd and short even when Kyle Minnet was RB. Time to finally fix the problem.

The pass works when the defense is afraid of the threat of your run and has minimum 8 men in the box.

The thing I question is the constant shifting of the tight end, H-back and slot receiver on the majority of the plays. If it would make the defense react by changing position it would make sense , but I watched in the MSU game and their defense almost never changed anything after the shifts.

[common sense rabbit]

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I wonder if our recievers can't get separation because we run the same pass plays every game,nothing to confuse the defense?They can probably cover our guys in their sleep.

Talk to any Db - they will tell u that if they never get challenged deep they can then "sit" on routes. In other words never have to open up their hips to run with anyone.. Makes playing pass coverage much easier.. We haven't tried stretching the field for 2 years. The DB needs to know that if he is "sitting" on routes he could get burned. We simply don't challenge them vertically down the field like we should whether the pass is completed or not.. Even jr. high teams throw it up once in awhile.. Enough about offense maybe we should be talking about our defense which gives up more yards on the ground than any other team in the conference..

[TK22867]

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Hope your receiver doesn't "cramp". Man what excuse was that one??? ........Austin is better than 90% of the QB's in the FCS.

Well, you pretty much lost all credibility in my book with those 2 statements.

Did you even watch the game last Saturday?

[goon]

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The thing I question is the constant shifting of the tight end, H-back and slot receiver on the majority of the plays. If it would make the defense react by changing position it would make sense , but I watched in the MSU game and their defense almost never changed anything after the shifts.

Thats why its a coaching adjustment issue. Also a player execution problem.

Frankly I dont think anyone was complaining about the linecoach last year when zenner was killing every D we faced except NDSU, I think its other coaches figured out what we do but we havent changed how to attack them now. Frankly I think our line needs to use both zone and man blocking, simmilar to how in basketball many teams switch between man and zone D, if we have the change to change our blocking schemes in the same formation, that would make the D have to adjust. New formations or something just to change a little. not complete overhaul, but some simple changes could IMHO solve some of these issues.

[shot_5533]

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Thats why its a coaching adjustment issue. Also a player execution problem.

Frankly I dont think anyone was complaining about the linecoach last year when zenner was killing every D we faced except NDSU, I think its other coaches figured out what we do but we havent changed how to attack them now. Frankly I think our line needs to use both zone and man blocking, simmilar to how in basketball many teams switch between man and zone D, if we have the change to change our blocking schemes in the same formation, that would make the D have to adjust. New formations or something just to change a little. not complete overhaul, but some simple changes could IMHO solve some of these issues.

They changed how they block the 3-4 (Okie) scheme vs. years past. Give old Luke Meadows credit in this regards, his O-line killed Okie schemes. Also technique is emphasized much less now. Against a 4-3, the changes aren't as noticeable.

You hit this one out of the park. The Packers were stuck on the zone scheme. With Eddy Lacy now they are changing it up and pulling lineman. Now they can run. The Jacks under Meadows, even with their zone scheme, would pull more than they are doing now.

Lastly - I keep saying this - It is the same, more experienced, stronger, heavier line as last years.

As for Defense - Arggghhhh. I think we are too small.

I'm hoping the Jacks win so we can go back to a quieter week on the forum; however, it is fun to stir the pot and read the reply's. I love this forum.