Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

[rcjacks]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I think Vegas could happen if the league would ok it...... I don't know what Casino it is but the one that has the arena that they play the thanksgiving weekend pre-season tournament at would be about the right size. Casino/resort could take a flyer on it..... the problem with that is many Casino's would rather have UFC, boxing match, convention.... something that is pretty garenteed to work....

filbert is right in that this is crazy talk and insane. What casino will place a bid for approximately $300,000 to host a bunch of basketball teams from South Dakota, Missouri, Oklahoma, Louisiana, etc. to only have 500 people in attendance? Answer= none.

It only makes sense to have the Summit Tournament where the schools are located, that is how you sell tickets and raise revenue for the league.

[bigticket1]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

dont involve UND in this discussions, they are irrelavent, and will be irrelavant in any basketball discussions.

Minneapolis (target center) would be fun as hell!

Chicago too would be Great.

Kansas city.

Las Vegas.

thats 4 places better than sioux falls.

Cancun would probably be better than Sioux Falls or Fargo too, and has just as many connections to the Summit as do Minneapolis,Chicago or Vegas. Sometimes it's better to be a big fish in a medium-sized pond than to be a minnow in the ocean.

[Nidaros]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

Could you imagine who many neutral fans would show up to a Summit League Tourney in Vegas... well, you have to have a good imagination, because you wouldn't see very many. If Oakland is playing Centenary do you think an SDSU or NDSU fan would be wanting to stick around and watch that game or go to the Casino? How many all session passes would be sold?

Plus, a fair amount of every fan base can't afford to take that kind of trip and take that much time off of work, and if you think the Southern Utah fan base is going to prop up the attendance numbers, you have another thing coming.

Bringing the tourney to Vegas would be a disaster, as I wouldn't be surprised if the "true" average attendance of each game was less than 1,000 people. The Twin Cities is the only major metro that I see being able to host a successful Summit League Tourney, though I still don't believe they'd outdraw Sioux Falls or Fargo.

I agree. Vegas would be a financial disaster for the Summit League. If the Summit is dollar driven and it is, I think SF has the inside track for the time being.

[valleyrabbit]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I do believe Fargo can do just as good a job as SF(and bring in as much corporate money). If UND is added to the Summit, Fargo is a bit better from a travel perspective. The combined distance of the four Dakota schools to Fargo is about 570 miles to SF's 680. GF is the worst at 720 miles. It's not a huge difference, but it's something. I wouldn't be surprised to see a five-year average of Fargo x 2/SF x 2/Tulsa x 1. Or more accurately, SF/F/T/SF/F in a ten-year block starting with the next contract(2011-12) in SF.

I may be biased, but I think having it in Sioux Falls every year would be a great plan similar to the Valley's Arch Madness we would have the The Summit at the Falls. Sioux Falls is closer to the rest of the Summit schools than Fargo is. UMKC and Western Illinois could easily bus/drive it compared to Fargo. It is a neutral city (no Summit League team), has no other major draw at that time of the year, and has a nice line of resturants and other things to do. Getting a new events center would probably seal the deal.

[jackrabit1]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

dont involve UND in this discussions, they are irrelavent, and will be irrelavant in any basketball discussions.

Minneapolis (target center) would be fun as hell!

Chicago too would be Great.

Kansas city.

Las Vegas.

thats 4 places better than sioux falls.

What's so great about them? Increased traffic? Little support from the business communities? Indifference from the residents? Crime?

The Summit League tournament in Sioux Falls posted some of it's best numbers, attendance and revenue-wise in a long time, PERIOD! Why mess with something like that to only be a 5th or 6th-tier entertainment option in a "major" market? That's just universally stupid.

Keep the Summit League tournament in the Dakotas. Sioux Falls, Fargo, Sioux City (when USD decides to host) make more sense in terms of fan and financial support than those other places.

Or perhaps Lakes is just jealous that a little podunk "cow-town" like Sioux Falls and a little podunk "cow college" like SDSU could put on such a first-rate tournament. FYI, Lakes, NDSU is also a land-grant school, which also makes it a podunk "cow college".

[Kemo]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I think Vegas could happen if the league would ok it...... I don't know what Casino it is but the one that has the arena that they play the thanksgiving weekend pre-season tournament at would be about the right size. Casino/resort could take a flyer on it..... the problem with that is many Casino's would rather have UFC, boxing match, convention.... something that is pretty garenteed to work....

Could you imagine who many neutral fans would show up to a Summit League Tourney in Vegas... well, you have to have a good imagination, because you wouldn't see very many. If Oakland is playing Centenary do you think an SDSU or NDSU fan would be wanting to stick around and watch that game or go to the Casino? How many all session passes would be sold?

Plus, a fair amount of every fan base can't afford to take that kind of trip and take that much time off of work, and if you think the Southern Utah fan base is going to prop up the attendance numbers, you have another thing coming.

Bringing the tourney to Vegas would be a disaster, as I wouldn't be surprised if the "true" average attendance of each game was less than 1,000 people. The Twin Cities is the only major metro that I see being able to host a successful Summit League Tourney, though I still don't believe they'd outdraw Sioux Falls or Fargo.

[filbert]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

IMHO Las Vegas for a Summit League tournament venue is simply crazy talk.

Fargo and Sioux Falls are set up to be the tournament venues for a long, long, long time. They're the only metro markets where the Summit is the biggest thing in town. Everywhere else, a Summit League tournament will be a sideshow to the big guys--Big 10, Big 12, Mountain West, or in Louisiana, the SEC.

In Kansas City for instance, the last time the Mid-Con's tournament was here, it was arguably third or fourth on the to-see tournament list that year, behind the Big 12 (which wasn't even here that year), the NAIA tournament, and the MIAA D-II conference tournament.

You need to put the conference tournaments where the (interested) people are, not require the interested people to travel to where you might for some romantic, non-economic reason want the tournament to be--especially as the economy keeps scuffling along like it is.

[joeboo22]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I'd bet a fair amount of money that the only place on that list that would have a chance to draw as many people as Sioux Falls last year would be Minneapolis, but like I mentioned on Bisonville, I don't know who'd make a bid for it there and where they'd play (Target Center isn't exactly easy to get a hold of for 4 straight days).

I think Vegas could happen if the league would ok it...... I don't know what Casino it is but the one that has the arena that they play the thanksgiving weekend pre-season tournament at would be about the right size. Casino/resort could take a flyer on it..... the problem with that is many Casino's would rather have UFC, boxing match, convention.... something that is pretty garenteed to work....

[Kemo]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

dont involve UND in this discussions, they are irrelavent, and will be irrelavant in any basketball discussions.

Minneapolis (target center) would be fun as hell!

Chicago too would be Great.

Kansas city.

Las Vegas.

thats 4 places better than sioux falls.

I'd bet a fair amount of money that the only place on that list that would have a chance to draw as many people as Sioux Falls last year would be Minneapolis, but like I mentioned on Bisonville, I don't know who'd make a bid for it there and where they'd play (Target Center isn't exactly easy to get a hold of for 4 straight days).

[Lakesbison]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

dont involve UND in this discussions, they are irrelavent, and will be irrelavant in any basketball discussions.

Minneapolis (target center) would be fun as hell!

Chicago too would be Great.

Kansas city.

Las Vegas.

thats 4 places better than sioux falls.

[TeaJackrabbit]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I do believe Fargo can do just as good a job as SF(and bring in as much corporate money). If UND is added to the Summit, Fargo is a bit better from a travel perspective. The combined distance of the four Dakota schools to Fargo is about 570 miles to SF's 680. GF is the worst at 720 miles. It's not a huge difference, but it's something. I wouldn't be surprised to see a five-year average of Fargo x 2/SF x 2/Tulsa x 1. Or more accurately, SF/F/T/SF/F in a ten-year block starting with the next contract(2011-12) in SF.

Obviously Fargo has an advantage that they have NDSU right there. SF has an advantage in coorporate sponsorship and a proven track record. Both locations would be fine places to hold the event. Both places would support a lower tier conference (like the Summit) better than almost anyone in the nation. Don't believe me, watch ESPN Championship week and see what kind of attendance the lower tier conferences get. Adding the UxD's is the frosting on the cake.

I don't think the travel perspective among Dakota schools will figure in one bit. If it's in Fargo it's a cakewalk to everyone but USD (just over 4 hour trip) and if it's in SF the same can be said for UND (4 1/2 hours from SF). I've made the SF to GF trip so many times I'd rather eat worms, but it's still a very, very doable and inexpensive trip.

If money and athlete experience are really the only two concerns then it will be in the Dakotas for a very long time.

[Hammersmith]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

When it comes to Sioux Falls v. Fargo as far as who would be more successful, I think the site matters less than the competitiveness of the Dakota teams. If the xDSU's and UxD's (presumably of course) are all top 1/2 of the conference standings going into the tourney, the tourney is going to have great attendance regardless of whether it's in Sioux Falls or Fargo.

Very true, which is why I think Fargo and Sioux Falls will get the tourney more often than not. If USD is added without UND(possible, if unlikely), then I think the tourney will most often be held in SF. If UND is added as well, then I see a more even split between the two cities. Regardless, I don't see SF doing any worse than tying for the most likely tourney location.

[Kemo]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I do believe Fargo can do just as good a job as SF(and bring in as much corporate money). If UND is added to the Summit, Fargo is a bit better from a travel perspective. The combined distance of the four Dakota schools to Fargo is about 570 miles to SF's 680. GF is the worst at 720 miles. It's not a huge difference, but it's something. I wouldn't be surprised to see a five-year average of Fargo x 2/SF x 2/Tulsa x 1. Or more accurately, SF/F/T/SF/F in a ten-year block starting with the next contract(2011-12) in SF.

When it comes to Sioux Falls v. Fargo as far as who would be more successful, I think the site matters less than the competitiveness of the Dakota teams. If the xDSU's and UxD's (presumably of course) are all top 1/2 of the conference standings going into the tourney, the tourney is going to have great attendance regardless of whether it's in Sioux Falls or Fargo.

[Hammersmith]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

I do believe Fargo can do just as good a job as SF(and bring in as much corporate money). If UND is added to the Summit, Fargo is a bit better from a travel perspective. The combined distance of the four Dakota schools to Fargo is about 570 miles to SF's 680. GF is the worst at 720 miles. It's not a huge difference, but it's something. I wouldn't be surprised to see a five-year average of Fargo x 2/SF x 2/Tulsa x 1. Or more accurately, SF/F/T/SF/F in a ten-year block starting with the next contract(2011-12) in SF.

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Will Summit tourney stay in Sioux Falls?

whoa, I didnt do anything "Im innocent!"

Its too bad that the TARGET CENTER wont step up to the plate and host it EVERY YEAR!!

He deleted the posts responsible, so he wasn't referring to you.

I think it should stay in SF. I didn't get to go to any of the games, but it looked good on TV with full bleachers everywhere, especially compared to some of the other conference tournaments.