Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

[Cousin Eddie]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Well, lets say the money "raised was for recruitment or travel costs" but some of the money that was budgeted for that previously was moved to a new budget line for FCOA, lets not act like some of the money wont end up being moved to fund that very thing.

All of the funds from the students were earmarked from the start. FCOA is something that is being funded from another source. Keep trying. I am sorry that SDSU has a bloated number they report to the federal government (FAFSA) and can't afford to adopt.

[goon]

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All of the funds from the students were earmarked from the start. FCOA is something that is being funded from another source. Keep trying. I am sorry that SDSU has a bloated number they report to the federal government (FAFSA) and can't afford to adopt.

Can you prove what is earmarked, and can you prove how SDSU has bloated the numbers? Have you read the BOR budget and expenses for colleges in SD? I can say I would much rather have SDSU budget for income and expenses, then what USD has.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I get what your saying but IMO those 3 are pretty safe in their jobs. To get their replacements is where this will come into play. Just as we have seen at USD.

An argument can be made that the policy should be changed. That's fine, and its an issue that merits discussion and maybe eventual change.

That is a separate issue from whether the BOR can ignore their own bylaws to allow an administrator to ignore existing policies.

[Prairiehaas]

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All of the funds from the students were earmarked from the start. FCOA is something that is being funded from another source. Keep trying. I am sorry that SDSU has a bloated number they report to the federal government (FAFSA) and can't afford to adopt.

Cousin Eddie is correct. The funds for this year are earmarked as reported in the Volante:

"
Athletic Director David Herbster said many changes to the department as a result of more funding will take a few years to make a visible impact, but some will be be evident quickly.
“Students will see immediate improvements in marketing, promotions, advertising, student engagement and fan experience,” Herbster said.
Specific changes include hiring an additional assistant football coach, athletic trainer, assistant marketing and promotions director and facility worker. Additionally, other areas such as the marketing budget, recruiting budget, travel budget and salary enhancement will see more funds."

Of course that is only for this year. The GAF funds are reallocated on an annual basis.

[jack power]

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Cousin Eddie is correct. The funds for this year are earmarked as reported in the Volante:

"
Athletic Director David Herbster said many changes to the department as a result of more funding will take a few years to make a visible impact, but some will be be evident quickly.
“Students will see immediate improvements in marketing, promotions, advertising, student engagement and fan experience,” Herbster said.
Specific changes include hiring an additional assistant football coach, athletic trainer, assistant marketing and promotions director and facility worker. Additionally, other areas such as the marketing budget, recruiting budget, travel budget and salary enhancement will see more funds."

Of course that is only for this year. The GAF funds are reallocated on an annual basis.

That whole list of improvements is as vague as it is long.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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That whole list of improvements is as vague as it is long.

Don't worry jack power, the athletic director at USD would never skirt the rules or do anything disingenuous to accomplish his agenda. A vague list is just fine, just trust him.

[slosho]

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I'm kinda a hell raiser, but if I was a professor or another head coach for a state university in South Dakota, I'd be raising hell right now. But that is me

Not only that how about any teacher in the state of SD, they should all be furious, I know several teachers who would love multiple year contracts.

[Prairiehaas]

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Perhaps the next test of "one time" exception will be a new SDSU President?

[joeboo22]

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Not only that how about any teacher in the state of SD, they should all be furious, I know several teachers who would love multiple year contracts.

Basically any state employee working on a contract bases is going to want multi-year contracts.

The big problem I have with this is it is getting basically no press, just a base AP report, about the agenda and 1 quote, for someone breaking a law, and for an exception being made for 1 time for a football coach.


Like someone previously stated, if this was a school district, the argus and keloland would be all over it. If it was alcohol sales they'd be all over it. The BOR's really annoys the crap out of me, they essentially have different rules and bylaws that they manage differently at each of the state universities.

[UWMandSDSU]

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Basically any state employee working on a contract bases is going to want multi-year contracts.

The big problem I have with this is it is getting basically no press, just a base AP report, about the agenda and 1 quote, for someone breaking a law, and for an exception being made for 1 time for a football coach.


Like someone previously stated, if this was a school district, the argus and keloland would be all over it. If it was alcohol sales they'd be all over it. The BOR's really annoys the crap out of me, they essentially have different rules and bylaws that they manage differently at each of the state universities.

This was posted on keloland this morning (basically the AP article). http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.c...act/?id=190166

[joeboo22]

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This was posted on keloland this morning (basically the AP article). http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.c...act/?id=190166

Yeah that is basically what I had saw, this should be getting WAY more press, how did a school basically violate policy, and then get rewarded with it. Why is the policy in place? Is it a good policy? What type of can of worms is this going to open?

[Cousin Eddie]

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Yeah that is basically what I had saw, this should be getting WAY more press, how did a school basically violate policy, and then get rewarded with it. Why is the policy in place? Is it a good policy? What type of can of worms is this going to open?

They didn't violate policy. If the BOR didn't approve the contract, then it would have simply been a year to year deal. Nielson was aware of the risks when he signed. Herbster and/or Abbott spoke to the regents in advance of their regularly scheduled meeting to prep them on the request (like intelligent people do). I know this may be a surprise, but the timeline for hiring a coach doesn't conform to monthly board meetings.

It is a simple contract drafting inclusion - a severability clause. Basically something that would say:

“In the event that any of the terms, conditions or provisions of this Agreement are held to be illegal, unenforceable or invalid by any court of competent jurisdiction (or in this case, the Board of Regents), the remaining terms, conditions or provisions hereof shall remain in full force and effect.”

This isn't 1st grade English. It is big boy business. Speaking of English...wow.

[westernjack]

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My thoughts on the subject:
If USD wants to offer multi year contracts that's fine. USD and SDSU have had a long history of operating in very different fashions, so what does it matter if they want to do this differently also. I can totally understand why Nielson would want a multi year contract, as USD has gone through a fair amount of coaches in recent years. Even if the BOR does allow this to pass, I don't see SDSU changing to offering multi year contracts. They have a proven history of loyalty to coaches, even when records aren't what the fan base might want them to be. A SDSU coach would have to be just as unsuccessful off the court/field as on it to get canned.

[joeboo22]

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Does anyone even know what really the situation is that happened? A bunch of rumors, a bunch of possibilities and really nothing solid. Its terrible reporting on something that should be getting at least some press.

The report I see, says he hasn't had his contract approved, and they are seeking a 1 time exemption to the rule. Whether or not it is right or not, it is what is being reported

[ringthebells]

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I don't care if it is true/untrue, right/wrong, legal/illegal. If it can be used as the gasoline to further fuel my hatred of all things USD, I'm in. Whatever USD did in this situation is wrong and they should be tarred and feathered for it. Now, we should look into getting our big 3 coaches multi-year contracts. What's a guy got to do to prove his loyalty?