Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

[Coyotes]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

The MAGIC OF BEING D1, oh isn't it grand when you have to buy all those big multi year countracts back at 100 cents on the dollar. This where we sell our souls to the devil and its all about winning. Winning is everything. Right?

A policy change or the BOR would not make it mandatory that you offer a multi year contract to anyone. You can still offer 1 year deals to every new coach. So I ask again why does it matter if the policy is changed? It has little to no impact on hiring a coach. So why do you care if USD wants to offer multi year contracts?

[mango4]

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Isn't Notre Dame still paying Charlie Weis?

As of December 2015, no. Kansas is though.

Weis received close to 19 million from Notre Dame for not coaching there over 4 years.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Welcome to D1. I do not know of any other state that has a 1 year contact restriction. It is only a matter of time.

Yes! I 100% agree. Now, if only there were some method for changing the policies of the South Dakota Board of Regents. Some way to research, analyze, and make intelligent decision. If someone only had the foresight to put in place mechanisms for adjusting bylaws or policies that no longer make sense. Maybe written down some kind of official rule book, or policy manual if you will, to address these types of situations.

[JacksFTW]

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I agree SF_Rabbit

[MontanaRabbit]

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Thank you state fans like JacksFTW for being reasonable and providing fair analysis of situations. Comments like the one above and from SF_Rabbit_Fan are why very little can be completed between the two schools. It reminds me of the outrageous comments from extreme state fans about USD students voting to increase fees for their athletics program and how embarrassing that was yet SDSU did the same thing for their wellness center. Extreme fans on both sides need to come back to the middle and be more reasonable.

If offering more than a one year contract is not a factor in getting good coaches at the D1 level than why do you care if USD is working to change that. We in no way are gaining an advantage over you right? Research into it further and you will find no "BOR Rules" were broken and the BOR has been fully aware of what USD is trying to do since the beginning.

Are you seriously comparing SDSU students raising their fees for a wellness center FOR THE STUDENTS and USD students raising their fees to essentially pay for FCOA?

[Coyotes]

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Not even in the same ballpark. At all.

Increasing student fees, by request from Administration and/or the student vote, for a campus wellness center directly benefits the student body by providing a facility that is solely theirs and for their use. Increasing student fees, by request from Administration and/or then student vote, for operating expenses in Athletics, increased travel expenses, facilities for athletics, or probably more likely Cost of Attendance doesn't directly benefit the general student body. In fact, it's most likely taking money from the pocket of Joe Student from Viborg and putting it in the pocket of Joe Student Athlete from Beresford.

Does every student use the wellness center? So its Joe Student from Viborg with increased student loans to pay for a wellness center they do not use so a meathead Joe Student from Beresford who's using it can benefit. Students have activity passes for sporting events. While not all students use those passes the ones that do receive a benefit from watching D1 sports. If the student government votes to increase fees to provide better coaching salaries, COA etc because that is something they feel passionate about it is their decision just as it was your student governments decision to get the wellness center. There is still a benefit to the student using that activities pass even though not every single student benefits. Not all of the money in that proposed increase went to athletics. Money also went to other functions like the wellness center same as SDSU.
A similar fee increase is being proposed at NDSU currently only theirs is proposed by the administration and not by the students voting on it. Last I checked they are making some pretty good decisions up their in funding their athletics programs and have had some marginal success because of it.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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A policy change or the BOR would not make it mandatory that you offer a multi year contract to anyone. You can still offer 1 year deals to every new coach. So I ask again why does it matter if the policy is changed? It has little to no impact on hiring a coach. So why do you care if USD wants to offer multi year contracts?

I can't speak for others, but I don't care if USD wants to offer multi-year contracts. You keep trying to make this a USD/SDSU rivalry thing. It isn't.

Here is part of what I said about USD and Herbster a week ago on a multi-year contract thread: http://sdsufans.com/board/showthread...473#post288473

USD has hired 5 big three coaches since moving to DI who have been excellent hires on paper and on the field/court. Men's basketball, 2 women's basketball coaches, and 2 football coaches. They've hired an athletic director that is hitting it out of the park from what I can tell. Each hire is better than the last, IMO. This can't be dumb luck. They've done it with different athletic directors as well, so it isn't unique to a special athletic director.

My problem is that there are policies that appear to have been broken/ignored by government employees. That is a problem, IMO.

[KUlawJack]

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As of December 2015, no. Kansas is though.

Weis received close to 19 million from Notre Dame for not coaching there over 4 years.

Kansas is not. Paid him off already.

What a horror show.

And to Coyotes, really, stop trying to compare raising student fees for a wellness center to a student fee increase to fund FCOA. They are not the same thing, at all, in any shape or form.

[Coyotes]

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I can't speak for others, but I don't care if USD wants to offer multi-year contracts. You keep trying to make this a USD/SDSU rivalry thing. It isn't.

Here is part of what I said about USD and Herbster a week ago on a multi-year contract thread: http://sdsufans.com/board/showthread...473#post288473

USD has hired 5 big three coaches since moving to DI who have been excellent hires on paper and on the field/court. Men's basketball, 2 women's basketball coaches, and 2 football coaches. They've hired an athletic director that is hitting it out of the park from what I can tell. Each hire is better than the last, IMO. This can't be dumb luck. They've done it with different athletic directors as well, so it isn't unique to a special athletic director.

My problem is that there are policies that appear to have been broken/ignored by government employees. That is a problem, IMO.

I can respect your opinion that one year contracts do not/have not hampered the hiring process. I do not agree with it and many others do not too. All of the staff that you mentioned who were recently hired at USD had an inside tract (From Spearfish, coached in the NCC/NDSU and from MN, Coached at Duluth from the area for over 20 years).Having the option of multi year contracts for individuals not in that situation should be an option.

My problem with yours and others comments are that they are untrue. You keep saying USD broke rules/policies. They have not. Read the article again specifically this spot.
School officials announced the hiring of Western Illinois coach Bob Nielson in December, and Nielson has been busy assembling his staff after agreeing to a $255,000 annual salary, Athletic Director David Herbster said.

Nielson is currently signed on with a one year contract. Not a multi year deal. And his one year contract is final. This meeting is to allow USD to turn his contract into a multi year deal. If declined he is still under contract for one year. So USD has broken no policies/rules. Another way to verify that Nielson truly is on a one year contract that is signed and final is by puling him up under the state search. He would not be in the database if he has not signed a contract yet. So quit saying USD is doing something wrong unless you have proof than a willy nilly article from the Argus Liar. They have a finalized one year contract and are taking the necessary steps to make it multiple years. Those are the extreme comments I was talking about that happen at both schools that is unproductive. And it is a rivalry thing. If Dakota State was doing this would you create this much uproar?

http://bfm.sd.gov/ledger/employee.asp

[mango4]

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Kansas is not. Paid him off already.

What a horror show.

And to Coyotes, really, stop trying to compare raising student fees for a wellness center to a student fee increase to fund FCOA. They are not the same thing, at all, in any shape or form.

Everything I saw showed the buyout lasting through Dec. 2016.

[mango4]

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I can respect your opinion that one year contracts do not/have not hampered the hiring process. I do not agree with it and many others do not too. All of the staff that you mentioned who were recently hired at USD had an inside tract (From Spearfish, coached in the NCC/NDSU and from MN, Coached at Duluth from the area for over 20 years).Having the option of multi year contracts for individuals not in that situation should be an option.

My problem with yours and others comments are that they are untrue. You keep saying USD broke rules/policies. They have not. Read the article again specifically this spot.
School officials announced the hiring of Western Illinois coach Bob Nielson in December, and Nielson has been busy assembling his staff after agreeing to a $255,000 annual salary, Athletic Director David Herbster said.

Nielson is currently signed on with a one year contract. Not a multi year deal. And his one year contract is final. This meeting is to allow USD to turn his contract into a multi year deal. If declined he is still under contract for one year. So USD has broken no policies/rules. Another way to verify that Nielson truly is on a one year contract that is signed and final is by puling him up under the state search. He would not be in the database if he has not signed a contract yet. So quit saying USD is doing something wrong unless you have proof than a willy nilly article from the Argus Liar. They have a finalized one year contract and are taking the necessary steps to make it multiple years. Those are the extreme comments I was talking about that happen at both schools that is unproductive. And it is a rivalry thing. If Dakota State was doing this would you create this much uproar?

http://bfm.sd.gov/ledger/employee.asp

Except, you know, he hasn't signed the contract.

[filbert]

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I can respect your opinion that one year contracts do not/have not hampered the hiring process. I do not agree with it and many others do not too. All of the staff that you mentioned who were recently hired at USD had an inside tract (From Spearfish, coached in the NCC/NDSU and from MN, Coached at Duluth from the area for over 20 years).Having the option of multi year contracts for individuals not in that situation should be an option.

My problem with yours and others comments are that they are untrue. You keep saying USD broke rules/policies. They have not. Read the article again specifically this spot.
School officials announced the hiring of Western Illinois coach Bob Nielson in December, and Nielson has been busy assembling his staff after agreeing to a $255,000 annual salary, Athletic Director David Herbster said.

Nielson is currently signed on with a one year contract. Not a multi year deal. And his one year contract is final. This meeting is to allow USD to turn his contract into a multi year deal. If declined he is still under contract for one year. So USD has broken no policies/rules. Another way to verify that Nielson truly is on a one year contract that is signed and final is by puling him up under the state search. He would not be in the database if he has not signed a contract yet. So quit saying USD is doing something wrong unless you have proof than a willy nilly article from the Argus Liar. They have a finalized one year contract and are taking the necessary steps to make it multiple years. Those are the extreme comments I was talking about that happen at both schools that is unproductive. And it is a rivalry thing. If Dakota State was doing this would you create this much uproar?

http://bfm.sd.gov/ledger/employee.asp

You appear to have failed to read the first paragraph in the AL article.

Agreeing to a contract is not precisely the same thing as actually signing a contract.

[goon]

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This thread is fun, I thought of throwing in a good bernie sanders joke related to this discussion to lighten the mood but decided against it. Probably for the best.

[Coyotes]

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Kansas is not. Paid him off already.

What a horror show.

And to Coyotes, really, stop trying to compare raising student fees for a wellness center to a student fee increase to fund FCOA. They are not the same thing, at all, in any shape or form.

Your response shows how little you actually know about what the increase was for and all you simply want to do is spread random false crap. The increase at USD was for all items covered by the general activity fee budget. Yes, they stated the biggest need was for the athletic departments in coaching salaries etc. That same fee at SDSU is what funds things from the wellness center to your athletic department. Same at NDSU. So when your student government voted to increase the general activity fee it was the same as USD. Only your decision makers decided the bulk of that increase was funding a new wellness center. Ours decided the bulk would help an underfunded athletic depratment and the wellness center. Its the same fee and the same budgets at both schools. Dont confused designating money to different areas from the same budget from this being a voted to give athletics money vs a wellness center. USD also stated the increase could be used differently each year. This year it may be used for athletics next year the wellness center may need more money.

The money for FCOA is coming from the howling pack and private donations not the activity fee increase. NDSU's activity fee increase would fund their athletic department further. It sounds like you are just upset about it with no valid reason to be.

[jacksfan29]

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Does every student use the wellness center? So its Joe Student from Viborg with increased student loans to pay for a wellness center they do not use so a meathead Joe Student from Beresford who's using it can benefit. Students have activity passes for sporting events. While not all students use those passes the ones that do receive a benefit from watching D1 sports. If the student government votes to increase fees to provide better coaching salaries, COA etc because that is something they feel passionate about it is their decision just as it was your student governments decision to get the wellness center. There is still a benefit to the student using that activities pass even though not every single student benefits. Not all of the money in that proposed increase went to athletics. Money also went to other functions like the wellness center same as SDSU.
A similar fee increase is being proposed at NDSU currently only theirs is proposed by the administration and not by the students voting on it. Last I checked they are making some pretty good decisions up their in funding their athletics programs and have had some marginal success because of it.

Last I checked, USD are using the student fees to help cover FCOA. I don't think your student government nor students were told when the vote occurred that the money was going to pay for a FB players education. Does Joe Student from Viborg get a lot of benefit from paying your student athletes to attend school?

Just wondering, when will state/student support of your athletic department not exceed 70%? Is there a timeline for your athletic department to get their financial house in order?