Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

[JacksFTW]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

My point is that I would highly doubt Neilson had no prior knowledge of the one year contract (which is dumb). Even if this is not passed, I would think Nielson would do a 1 year contact with a verbal agreement of 3 years. Say the rule is not changed and Nielson gets fired after the first year (almost impossible), I don’t think that would look very good for the Yotes reputation when signing a different coach. In my eyes this is really a non-issue, but more of a formality. USD may have took the wrong approach, but we do not know what conversations they have had with the state on this. It will only help us in the future if this is passed. Nagy & Stig will not be around forever, and it will help us to land a top coach if we can offer a multi-year deal.

[KUlawJack]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Thank you state fans like JacksFTW for being reasonable and providing fair analysis of situations. Comments like the one above and from SF_Rabbit_Fan are why very little can be completed between the two schools. It reminds me of the outrageous comments from extreme state fans about USD students voting to increase fees for their athletics program and how embarrassing that was yet SDSU did the same thing for their wellness center. Extreme fans on both sides need to come back to the middle and be more reasonable.

If offering more than a one year contract is not a factor in getting good coaches at the D1 level than why do you care if USD is working to change that. We in no way are gaining an advantage over you right? Research into it further and you will find no "BOR Rules" were broken and the BOR has been fully aware of what USD is trying to do since the beginning.

The bolded are not the same things.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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This is a time where none of us know the details of what is actually happening behind the scenes on this. SF_Rabbit_Fan you are throwing a lot of unknowns out there as if they are fact. Where is your source that Neilson was offered a multi year contract behind the BOR backs without any of their knowledge essentially giving the BOR the middle finger? What policy is Herbster breaking that he should resign immediately?

On Friday, the board will consider approving a one-time suspension of its policy, the board’s executive director Michael Rush said...

“Ultimately, we don’t have this contract approved yet,” Herbster said...

“I’m pretty confident that there will be a change in permanent policy to reflect kind of the realities of Division I athletics,” he said.

Herbster himself references the contract. I already looked up the bylaw which should prevent a decision being made tomorrow, I'm not looking up the exact policy that the board's own CEO references with a quote in the state's largest newspaper.

[KUlawJack]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

My point is that I would highly doubt Neilson had no prior knowledge of the one year contract (which is dumb). Even if this is not passed, I would think Nielson would do a 1 year contact with a verbal agreement of 3 years. Say the rule is not changed and Nielson gets fired after the first year (almost impossible), I don’t think that would look very good for the Yotes reputation when signing a different coach. In my eyes this is really a non-issue, but more of a formality. USD may have took the wrong approach, but we do not know what conversations they have had with the state on this. It will only help us in the future if this is passed. Nagy & Stig will not be around forever, and it will help us to land a top coach if we can offer a multi-year deal.

Oh, it will help in the future. I totally agree with that. It likely would have helped in our search for volleyball and softball coaches in the recent past as well though.

[JacksFTW]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Thank you state fans like JacksFTW for being reasonable and providing fair analysis of situations. Comments like the one above and from SF_Rabbit_Fan are why very little can be completed between the two schools. It reminds me of the outrageous comments from extreme state fans about USD students voting to increase fees for their athletics program and how embarrassing that was yet SDSU did the same thing for their wellness center. Extreme fans on both sides need to come back to the middle and be more reasonable.

If offering more than a one year contract is not a factor in getting good coaches at the D1 level than why do you care if USD is working to change that. We in no way are gaining an advantage over you right? Research into it further and you will find no "BOR Rules" were broken and the BOR has been fully aware of what USD is trying to do since the beginning.

I have affiliation with both schools so maybe that is why I am more even keeled then some of the other posters. I am just looking to the future, this will benefit both schools in the long run.

[Jacks-02]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

I think whole issue of "we need multi-year contracts to attract quality coaches" is a bunch of bull. SDSU has long-tenured coaches in every one of the major sports and has had quality assistant coaches in those same programs that have been here for nearly as long.

The level of pay is a bigger issue than the number of years in the contracts. The last thing I want is handing out 5 year deals to anyone and then being stuck with a bad contract that will hamstring a program.

[filbert]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

I haven't looked into this particular situation beyond what's been posted here, but it does certainly seem to me, viewing from a distance, to be a curiously aggressive way to approach your governing board to ask them to change a policy in order to approve a contract you want to complete.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Thank you state fans like JacksFTW for being reasonable and providing fair analysis of situations. Comments like the one above and from SF_Rabbit_Fan are why very little can be completed between the two schools. It reminds me of the outrageous comments from extreme state fans about USD students voting to increase fees for their athletics program and how embarrassing that was yet SDSU did the same thing for their wellness center. Extreme fans on both sides need to come back to the middle and be more reasonable.

If offering more than a one year contract is not a factor in getting good coaches at the D1 level than why do you care if USD is working to change that. We in no way are gaining an advantage over you right? Research into it further and you will find no "BOR Rules" were broken and the BOR has been fully aware of what USD is trying to do since the beginning.

I don't care about the rivalry as it relates to this. I have ZERO problem with people working to change rules or policies they disagree with.

It seems odd that the board would need to consider a one-time suspension of a policy that does not exist.

[goon]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

I think whole issue of "we need multi-year contracts to attract quality coaches" is a bunch of bull. SDSU has long-tenured coaches in every one of the major sports and has had quality assistant coaches in those same programs that have been here for nearly as long.

The level of pay is a bigger issue than the number of years in the contracts. The last thing I want is handing out 5 year deals to anyone and then being stuck with a bad contract that will hamstring a program.

I agree, amount of pay would be a bigger issue I would think then legnth of contracts. Would be vary different looking contracts now. Wonder how they would put in buy out clause or if the coach leaves for a new job etc how that all works.

Last thing is we need to offer a 5 year deal at 250k and after a couple years have to fire a coach and pay him not to be a coach when we have limited budgets already.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I have affiliation with both schools so maybe that is why I am more even keeled then some of the other posters. I am just looking to the future, this will benefit both schools in the long run.

In other words, the ends justify the means?

Is it not concerning when state employees or entities willfully ignore their own bylaws and policies - regardless of if you agree or disagree with the policy in question.

[Nidaros]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

I agree, amount of pay would be a bigger issue I would think then legnth of contracts. Would be vary different looking contracts now. Wonder how they would put in buy out clause or if the coach leaves for a new job etc how that all works.

Last thing is we need to offer a 5 year deal at 250k and after a couple years have to fire a coach and pay him not to be a coach when we have limited budgets already.

BINGO You got Slush funds to help out? I don't. My IRA is hovering around 200k and an about 15 year mortgage to pay off, but those are my personal choices.

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Thank you state fans like JacksFTW for being reasonable and providing fair analysis of situations. Comments like the one above and from SF_Rabbit_Fan are why very little can be completed between the two schools. It reminds me of the outrageous comments from extreme state fans about USD students voting to increase fees for their athletics program and how embarrassing that was yet SDSU did the same thing for their wellness center. Extreme fans on both sides need to come back to the middle and be more reasonable.

Not even in the same ballpark. At all.

Increasing student fees, by request from Administration and/or then student vote, for a campus wellness center directly benefits the student body by providing a facility that is solely theirs and for their use. Increasing student fees, by request from Administration and/or then student vote, for operating expenses in Athletics, increased travel expenses, facilities for athletics, or probably more likely Cost of Attendance doesn't directly benefit the general student body. In fact, it's most likely taking money from the pocket of Joe Student from Viborg and putting it in the pocket of Joe Student Athlete from Beresford.

[JacksFTW]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

BINGO You got Slush funds to help out? I don't. My IRA is hovering around 200k and an about 15 year mortgage, but those are my personal choices.

Welcome to D1. I do not know of any other state that has a 1 year contact restriction. It is only a matter of time.

[NWHSUandSDSU]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Isn't Notre Dame still paying Charlie Weis?

[Nidaros]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

Welcome to D1. I do not know of any other state that has a 1 year contact restriction. It is only a matter of time.

The MAGIC OF BEING D1, oh isn't it grand when you have to buy all those big multi year countracts back at 100 cents on the dollar. This where we sell our souls to the devil and its all about winning. Winning is everything. Right?