Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

[filbert]

Re: Coach Nielsen seeking multi year contract

This thread is fun, I thought of throwing in a good bernie sanders joke related to this discussion to lighten the mood but decided against it. Probably for the best.

Oh, the opportunities for humor are myriad, from all points of view. Sadly most of them would descend into smack and/or political talk outside the boundaries of the current thread.

[TK22867]

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Does every student use the wellness center? So its Joe Student from Viborg with increased student loans to pay for a wellness center they do not use so a meathead Joe Student from Beresford who's using it can benefit.

Do you pay taxes? Health insurance premiums? In the words of Lone Star - "Welcome to real life!"

[Coyotes]

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Except, you know, he hasn't signed the contract.

Your wrong he absolutely has signed a one year contract. He would not be listed on the state website if he had not signed one.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Your wrong he absolutely has signed a one year contract. He would not be listed on the state website if he had not signed one.

Maybe you're right but the article does seem to directly contradict that.

My mom works for the state, and is listed on the site. She doesn't have a contract.

[filbert]

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Your wrong he absolutely has signed a one year contract. He would not be listed on the state website if he had not signed one.

It would seem then that your argument is with the (anonymous) AP writer who wrote the linked Argus-Leader article.

[Jackedforlife]

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Your wrong he absolutely has signed a one year contract. He would not be listed on the state website if he had not signed one.

If that is the case this multi-year contract request for this year is moot. I'm not a lawyer(KUlaw, insight?) but if it's in place it would seem this would be for next years contract. Unless Herbster and the BOR want to tear up the existing contract to make this happen.

I could care less about multi-year contracts. I'm not of the opinion they hurt or help retain/attract quality coaches. That is more the responsibility of the institution, administration and fanbase.

My first reaction was that he's making $255K(unless that's total coaching staff budget, correct me if I'm wrong), 45-$60K more than any of our big 3 coaches. I'm surprised that I'm the only one to voice this as strange that he warrants that going into an unproven situation of a program still struggling to find its ground in the MVFC. Before you yote fans go berserk, beating MN and the championship team up north does not mean you've arrived. Playoffs 4 yrs in a row shows you're making advancements and improving for the good.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I can respect your opinion that one year contracts do not/have not hampered the hiring process. I do not agree with it and many others do not too. All of the staff that you mentioned who were recently hired at USD had an inside tract (From Spearfish, coached in the NCC/NDSU and from MN, Coached at Duluth from the area for over 20 years).Having the option of multi year contracts for individuals not in that situation should be an option.

My problem with yours and others comments are that they are untrue. You keep saying USD broke rules/policies. They have not. Read the article again specifically this spot.
School officials announced the hiring of Western Illinois coach Bob Nielson in December, and Nielson has been busy assembling his staff after agreeing to a $255,000 annual salary, Athletic Director David Herbster said.

Nielson is currently signed on with a one year contract. Not a multi year deal. And his one year contract is final. This meeting is to allow USD to turn his contract into a multi year deal. If declined he is still under contract for one year. So USD has broken no policies/rules. Another way to verify that Nielson truly is on a one year contract that is signed and final is by puling him up under the state search. He would not be in the database if he has not signed a contract yet. So quit saying USD is doing something wrong unless you have proof than a willy nilly article from the Argus Liar. They have a finalized one year contract and are taking the necessary steps to make it multiple years. Those are the extreme comments I was talking about that happen at both schools that is unproductive. And it is a rivalry thing. If Dakota State was doing this would you create this much uproar?

http://bfm.sd.gov/ledger/employee.asp

My opinion of multi-year contracts has actually changed a couple times. I used to think they were crucial. Now I don't, in part because USD has had such success finding great coaches. Basically, I'm not opposed but I'm going to need a better argument than "everybody else does it" when the (small) sample size seems to point to things being better the way they are. Basically, SDSU has some of the longest tenured coaches in the country and amazing success, USD has had good teams and hired excellent coaches.

The article strongly suggests that Nielson is not under contract. He is listed on the state employee site. There are many state employees on that site without contracts.

One question: if he has a 1 year contract, why is it necessary to make a special, one-time exception to a long-standing board policy less than a month into that contract? He isn't going anywhere for the next 11 months, the BOR has time to make this decision the right way, if what you say is true.

I probably wouldn't be as upset if DSU were doing this. Mostly because I would have never read the article, I didn't read the USD one until it was posted here. BTW, it was an AP story, not written by an Argus staffer. This is one instance where I would actually be happy if the USD beat reporter would do his job... I never thought I would say it, but this is exactly the kind of thing Stu Whitney was great at covering.

[FeaRed]

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Last I checked, USD are using the student fees to help cover FCOA.

And what's your source for this? The GAF increase happened WELL before FCOA was even on the radar.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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It would seem then that your argument is with the (anonymous) AP writer who wrote the linked Argus-Leader article.

Its Dirk Lammers. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/94960...football-coach

I don't know who that is, or his reputation. Somebody with Twitter can talk to him @ddlammers

Edit: I made some assumptions about Mr. Lammers that appear untrue. He has several South Dakota sports stories in his AP profile.

[KUlawJack]

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Everything I saw showed the buyout lasting through Dec. 2016.

That's when it had to be paid off. Boosters stepped in and stomached the buyout to get it over with.

[KUlawJack]

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Your response shows how little you actually know about what the increase was for and all you simply want to do is spread random false crap. The increase at USD was for all items covered by the general activity fee budget. Yes, they stated the biggest need was for the athletic departments in coaching salaries etc. That same fee at SDSU is what funds things from the wellness center to your athletic department. Same at NDSU. So when your student government voted to increase the general activity fee it was the same as USD. Only your decision makers decided the bulk of that increase was funding a new wellness center. Ours decided the bulk would help an underfunded athletic depratment and the wellness center. Its the same fee and the same budgets at both schools. Dont confused designating money to different areas from the same budget from this being a voted to give athletics money vs a wellness center. USD also stated the increase could be used differently each year. This year it may be used for athletics next year the wellness center may need more money.

The money for FCOA is coming from the howling pack and private donations not the activity fee increase. NDSU's activity fee increase would fund their athletic department further. It sounds like you are just upset about it with no valid reason to be.

I don't give a rat **** that USD increased its student fee to assist other parts of the athletic department. It is that the BOR hamstrung SDSU when we made the move by laying down the law about student fee increases funding DI athletics. Not until USD moved up and needed to increase student fees for athletics did the BOR capitulate. This is another decision in a long line of decisions where the BOR has to assist USD. You should read some history on the subject. It goes back a long way. I'm sure someone here can fill you in on many of the details. I'd turn that over to JackJD and Jacks#1Fan.

[GolfingYote]

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Maybe you're right but the article does seem to directly contradict that.

My mom works for the state, and is listed on the site. She doesn't have a contract.

Now I see the issue. When the dust settles maybe Herbie can work on your moms multi year contract. But Seriously, for not worrying about USD, you guys sure do spend a lot of time.....worrying about USD.

[mango4]

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Your wrong he absolutely has signed a one year contract. He would not be listed on the state website if he had not signed one.

He may have signed a contract, but it a contract that hasn't been approved yet.

On Friday, the board will consider approving a one-time suspension of its policy, the board’s executive director Michael Rush said. Only after that, — and the regents’ approval of Nielson’s contract — will the length of it be known.

“Ultimately, we don’t have this contract approved yet,” Herbster said. “He knows it, and that’s what we’re working on.”

If the one-year contract has been signed and approved, why does the BOR need to approve a one-time suspension of the one year contracts and then deal with it on a more permanent basis later? Couldn't the BOR just say "Alright, he's on through the year but he wants a long-term commitment. Let's seriously look at changing the law." and actually go through things the way they are supposed to?

[2002jack]

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It's an archaic law and it should be changed for both athletics and certain academic positions. It's a competitive environment out there and it will benefit all of us to get this changed.


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[slosho]

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Thank you state fans like JacksFTW for being reasonable and providing fair analysis of situations. Comments like the one above and from SF_Rabbit_Fan are why very little can be completed between the two schools. It reminds me of the outrageous comments from extreme state fans about USD students voting to increase fees for their athletics program and how embarrassing that was yet SDSU did the same thing for their wellness center. Extreme fans on both sides need to come back to the middle and be more reasonable.

If offering more than a one year contract is not a factor in getting good coaches at the D1 level than why do you care if USD is working to change that. We in no way are gaining an advantage over you right? Research into it further and you will find no "BOR Rules" were broken and the BOR has been fully aware of what USD is trying to do since the beginning.

You need to know what you're talking about before you open your mouth. The students voted for an increase in student fees for a value added wellness facility that is availble for all students. It does not fund directly or indirectly any other students education. The two things aren't even remotely comparable. JUST. POST ELSEWHERE.

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