Coyotes humbled again

[SoDakJack]

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I want the same look/feeling of the TCU game from NCAA play-offs last year. TCU's coach's post-game comment was a thoroughly enjoyed line, and I'd like to see that stunned look again.

They should play highlights from that post-game presser before every women's game.

[Jacked_Up]

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Judging from a couple of televised games, the Coyote women seem to have good skills. But they also seem a tad slow. Maybe two tads slow. If the Jacks shoot reasonably well and keep up their normal quick pace, the game shouldn't be close.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Seems to me like people are worried about this game. I could give a crap.

[jackmd]

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Seems to me like people are worried about this game. I could give a crap.

Worried wouldn't be the right way to describe my feelings about it. Curious is probably the best thing I can come up with. Curious to see how our players, most of whom have little familiarity with USD, respond to this opponent. Curious to see how our fans, especially the students, respond to a non-conference game that will have no implications on the remainder of our season. Curious to see how the media, especially guys like Stu, Mick, and Craig Mattock handle the story about the "renewal of THE rivalry".

I will admit that I am excited for Ketty being from Yankton and having a chance to compete against her former teammate Kara Iverson.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Seems to me like people are worried about this game. I could give a crap.

There's a big difference between worried and hungry!

Let's eat!

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[RowdyRabbit]

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In preparation for the Summit League Tournament, I decided not to attend the USD game.

Actually, before the season started (or USD was an announced visitor, I decided I was only going to attend the doubleheaders (new baby in the house), and in financial preparation for the tournament, and out of love for the wife and child, I decided to skip the UMKC doubleheader and will also not attend the USD game, the NDSU doubleheader will most likely be my last games until the tournament.

The tournament will be an expensive weekend....with the eating out and gas money and ticket and what-not. (I missed last years tournament, as the wife was 8 1/2 mos. prego.) but did buy the summit package to catch the games.

[Coyote_Fan]

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If you're gonna bring up USD losses also do bring up the fact that they just came off a fairly big win up in Grand Forks against UND. They have been inconsistant this year and have laid a couple of eggs but we all know that UND is still a decent program and they beat them so I would say they have a good chance to make it a good game but also could get blown out as well, so we'll see. If you want to smack that's fine to bring up only the losses but if you want to talk seriously about the game bring up the wins and losses.

[Coyote_Fan]

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Since this topic was brought up initially to discuss the men lets also not forget that the Mens team is in the drivers seat to win the Great West Conference in their second year of D1 and just ripped a 2-0 conference team on their home court by over 20. It may not be the best conference in the nation but remember how much the "D1" label was used to SDSU's benefit when the Yotes were still in D2. It was always mentioned how much USD would struggle when making the move to "D1". In mens basketball D1 is just that a label. Alot of the clubs are better in D1 but certainly there are many that are also really not that great either. USD was able to play with and nearly beat Cornell who is now slated to be a #10 seed in the latest bracketology projection on ESPN. They actually play tough against them both last year and this year, home and road.

So when saying humbled again as in the topic thread, that is true but it's also true that they have had just as many games where they have looked fairly good.

[zooropa]

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Yeah? And how many teams in the Great West are tournament eligible?

[filbert]

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Since this topic was brought up initially to discuss the men lets also not forget that the Mens team is in the drivers seat to win the Great West Conference in their second year of D1 and just ripped a 2-0 conference team on their home court by over 20. It may not be the best conference in the nation but remember how much the "D1" label was used to SDSU's benefit when the Yotes were still in D2. It was always mentioned how much USD would struggle when making the move to "D1". In mens basketball D1 is just that a label. Alot of the clubs are better in D1 but certainly there are many that are also really not that great either. USD was able to play with and nearly beat Cornell who is now slated to be a #10 seed in the latest bracketology projection on ESPN. They actually play tough against them both last year and this year, home and road.

So when saying humbled again as in the topic thread, that is true but it's also true that they have had just as many games where they have looked fairly good.

"What a strange person."

I totally understand why you have a warped view of the reality of Division I. GWC is in fact the worst conference in the country. It's even weaker than "Independents" and that is very, very hard to do.

That team you're so proud of "ripping by 20 points on their home court" is ranked by Sagarin #340 of 347 in D-1. Hardly a bragging point. (And speaking as a fan of a school that managed to somehow lose to NJIT a few years ago, trust me, beating that level of team isn't--shouldn't be--that big a deal.) But since I brought it up, how did you guys manage to lose to Utah Valley? Heck, even UND beat those guys.

But I digress . . . here comes the science . . .
Sagarin, 1-30-2010:
1 ATLANTIC COAST
2 BIG 12
3 BIG EAST
4 BIG TEN
5 SOUTHEASTERN
6 PACIFIC-10
7 ATLANTIC 10
8 MOUNTAIN WEST
9 MISSOURI VALLEY
10 CONFERENCE USA
11 WESTERN ATHLETIC
12 COLONIAL
13 HORIZON
14 WEST COAST
15 METRO ATLANTIC
16 MID-AMERICAN
17 BIG SKY
18 SOUTHERN
19 BIG WEST
20 SUN BELT
21 OHIO VALLEY
22 ATLANTIC SUN
23 SUMMIT LEAGUE
24 IVY LEAGUE
25 AMERICA EAST
26 SOUTHLAND
27 PATRIOT
28 BIG SOUTH
29 NORTHEAST
30 MID-EASTERN
31 INDEPENDENTS
32 SOUTHWESTERN
33 GREAT WEST

The Great West, in the vernacular, sucks. It's a league of misfits, transitional teams, and schools no other conference wants. It's clinging to D-I by its fingernails. In the biosphere of D-I, the Great West is somewhere between protozoan and pond scum.

Now, to slip up and almost say something nice about USD in a smack thread (a bad habit I really need to work on) . . . if USD were in the Summit, you'd be somewhere in the middle of the pack:
103 Oakland = 76.44
109 IUPUI = 75.89
137 Oral Roberts = 73.71
212 South Dakota State = 68.94
250 IPFW = 66.17
240 South Dakota = 66.85
266 North Dakota State = 64.57
276 UMKC = 63.71
297 Western Illinois = 61.61
313 Centenary = 60.04
319 Southern Utah = 59.11

This means that USD doesn't completely suck. A team that doesn't completely suck, in a league that sucks bigtime, should expect to have a lot of success.

Your Cornell argument has slightly more validity, but you caught a Cornell team that had just played probably their game of the year two days earlier in Lawrence. I don't think it's particularly smacky to say that playing in front of friends and family in the DakotaDome isn't exactly the same environment as Allen Fieldhouse. It would have been really remarkable if Cornell didn't have a fairly big letdown. I mean come on . . . #1 Kansas . . . USD, not yet even full D-I?

Even with that, if you consistently got to play teams the next game after Bill Self's Jayhawks beat up on them, you probably would have better than average success.

But, finishing up this particular point, SDSU played Purdue tough for 40 minutes and lost by 9 on a neutral court--with no home court advantage--and Purdue is a 4 seed in Creme's Bracketology right now. 4 is bigger than 10, so we played close and got beat by a better team than you did. Nah na na na na na na na. Pfffft.

Finally, if you really think that D-I is "just a label," then you are deficient in logical thinking, because that statement completely undermines the entire rest of your argument (for instance, if D-I is just a label, then what's your point about Cornell?).

And your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!

Now, go away, or I shall taunt you second time!

(Careful, because I'm about to start catapulting cows! Run Away!)

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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If you're gonna bring up USD losses also do bring up the fact that they just came off a fairly big win up in Grand Forks against UND. They have been inconsistant this year and have laid a couple of eggs but we all know that UND is still a decent program and they beat them so I would say they have a good chance to make it a good game but also could get blown out as well, so we'll see. If you want to smack that's fine to bring up only the losses but if you want to talk seriously about the game bring up the wins and losses.

Since this topic was brought up to discuss men's basketball...

He is right, we should bring up the fact that they beat UND recently. Congratulations on your "fairly big win" in Grand Forks.

UND's wins so far this season:

79-55 against Waldorf (that's an NAIA school)
69-58 against St. Olaf (that's a DIII school)
67-62 against Utah Valley (they are at least DI, but only 8 schools have a lower RPI)

That's right folks, the team yote fans are so happy to beat in a "fairly big win" is UND. I must admit, I'm impressed.

Oh, were you talking about the UND women? They have 6 DI wins this year, one of which was against USD in Vermillion. If UND has a decent program, you could also say that SDSU had a decent men's program through the transition.

[filbert]

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Since this topic was brought up to discuss men's basketball...

He is right, we should bring up the fact that they beat UND recently. Congratulations on your "fairly big win" in Grand Forks.

UND's wins so far this season:

79-55 against Waldorf (that's an NAIA school)
69-58 against St. Olaf (that's a DIII school)
67-62 against Utah Valley (they are at least DI, but only 8 schools have a lower RPI)

That's right folks, the team yote fans are so happy to beat in a "fairly big win" is UND. I must admit, I'm impressed.

Oh, were you talking about the UND women? They have 6 DI wins this year, one of which was against USD in Vermillion. If UND has a decent program, you could also say that SDSU had a decent men's program through the transition.

Oh, man, that one's gonna leave a mark . . .

[jackmd]

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Coyotes will not finish above .500 in the Summit league for the first 5 years of their participation. Why do I say that? Because its the smack section and because I don't see any clear indicator that USD will fair any better that we did. More importantly, I see several reasons they won't fair as well. No facility dedicated to basketball, a team currently bolstered by JUCO's and transfers in, a so-called rivalry with a team that won't change their nickname and therefore won't be joining a conference.

Current team is lead by Cain who is done, Smith who is done, Gentry who is done, and the 2 JUCO's. Thomas and Krogman are good scorers against teams with average guard play, especially at the dome but neither are point guards.

Now, I'm not saying that this is unusual for a team in transition to DI. Transition is darn tough and you have to take your lumps and keep your head up, stay with the philosophy that got you where you are.

To arrive on our site and suggest we need to watch out for USD as they are about to burst on the scene and knock us off as a top tier team in the league is ridiculous. You have no facts to support that and there is plenty of precedent to suggest otherwise. In addition our future is very bright, very bright.

[SturgisJeff]

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USD Women

Wed, Nov 11Winona State (exh.) (Yankton, S.D.)L, 48-52 Sun, Nov 15Wisconsin-Green Bay (Sioux Falls Arena, Sioux Falls, S.D.)L, 40-53 Tue, Nov 24Iowa Wesleyan (Vermillion, S.D.)W, 71-56 Sun, Nov 29at Wichita State (Wichita, Kan.)L, 60-65 Thu, Dec 3at Nebraska (Lincoln, Neb.)L, 38-77 Sun, Dec 6at Santa Clara (Santa Clara, Calif.)W, 69-66 Thu, Dec 10Black Hills State (Vermillion, S.D.)W, 67-49 Sun, Dec 13at Northern Iowa (Cedar Falls, Iowa)L, 60-80 Sun, Dec 20Mount Marty (Vermillion, S.D.)W, 67-52 Tue, Dec 29at Cal State Northridge (Northridge, Calif.)W, 47-46 Sat, Jan 2at Colorado State (Fort Collins, Colo.)L, 47-52 Tue, Jan 5at Iowa State (Ames, Iowa)L, 43-68 Sun, Jan 10Seattle (Vermillion, S.D.)W, 67-53 Sat, Jan 16North Dakota * (Vermillion, S.D.) (Midco)L, 51-54 Mon, Jan 18at SIU Edwardsville (Edwardsville, Ill.)L, 51-62 Thu, Jan 21at Utah Valley * (Orem, Utah)W, 65-56 Sat, Jan 23at North Dakota * (Grand Forks, N.D.) (Midco)W, 72-57 Thu, Jan 28at Houston Baptist * (Houston, Texas)L, 70-74 (OT)

[SDSUAlum08]

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Current team is lead by Cain who is done, Smith who is done, Gentry who is done, and the 2 JUCO's. Thomas and Krogman are good scorers against teams with average guard play, especially at the dome but neither are point guards.

This interests me. I noticed that Cain, Smith, and Gentry are all Seniors this year.

Coyotefan ~ Does USD have anyone coming in to bring USD back? This isn't smack it's a serious question. I can't really see that kid from Roosevelt doing much. Put him against Dykstra and Heemstra and it can't even be close.

The men's lineup will be Wolters, Dykstra, Heemstra, Horstman, White, Fiegen, Carlson over the next 3 years following this year. (I'm sure I forgot someone) If Nagy can pick up a true big man in Horstman's class or as a Juco. Seriously lookout. These kids could be good. Another backup point guard and a big man would solidify this group.

I really don't follow USD at all. I'm not from SD so I don't know anything about them. I'm sure they'll be fine and eventually come back.