The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

[BTownJack]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

It's actually worse than that. If you are going to adhere to the proportionality prong of Title IX, then it's not automatically a 1:1 ratio. Title IX uses full-time, degree seeking undergrads to base the calculations on. At USD, those figures were 1,896 men and 2,456 women as of fall 2006(can't find this year's numbers). With percentages of 43.3% vs 56.7%, it means USD would need to add 1.3 women's scholarships for every 1 men's scholarship if they want to remain in strict compliance with that part of Title IX. To add 27 football scholies, they'd need to add 35 women's. 27+35=62. +basketball; +T&F; +whatever else.

That being said, I doubt they'll stay in strict compliance. I really don't think they can; the numbers just don't work out. They'll fudge some numbers and the BoR will just agree not to look too closely. There will also probably be an "interpretation" of Title IX by those in charge. I don't see any other way out.

Hammersmith - you are right on and you have a very good point here. Rep points for you.

Time will tell how this is going to go for USD. I'm willing to wait to see them suffer.

[Hammersmith]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

Maybe somebody who covers USD for a newspaper (you out there, Mick?) should ask them those questions.

Title IX presents an interesting issue here. 27 new football scholarships plus 27 new women's scholarships = 54. Where are those women's scholarships going to go? Who knows? They have nine women's sports, so they'll find someplace.

Plus, you're going to want to be fully-funded in men's and women's basketball, which means going from the NCC's 12 (I think) to 15. So that's six more. Right there you have 60. Plus, since they're making track & field one of their immediate qualifier sports, you'd assume they'll toss a scholarship or two on each side of that ledger. You're looking at 60 to 70 additional scholarships. SDSU budgets $12,000 per scholarship, so that's $720,000 to $800,000 annually they have to find.

I imagine they view football as a potential source for some of that revenue, so it makes sense to get to 63 quickly to get a big payday every year. That'll help.

It's actually worse than that. If you are going to adhere to the proportionality prong of Title IX, then it's not automatically a 1:1 ratio. Title IX uses full-time, degree seeking undergrads to base the calculations on. At USD, those figures were 1,896 men and 2,456 women as of fall 2006(can't find this year's numbers). With percentages of 43.3% vs 56.7%, it means USD would need to add 1.3 women's scholarships for every 1 men's scholarship if they want to remain in strict compliance with that part of Title IX. To add 27 football scholies, they'd need to add 35 women's. 27+35=62. +basketball; +T&F; +whatever else.

That being said, I doubt they'll stay in strict compliance. I really don't think they can; the numbers just don't work out. They'll fudge some numbers and the BoR will just agree not to look too closely. There will also probably be an "interpretation" of Title IX by those in charge. I don't see any other way out.

[Nidaros]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

I think our consultant report was a little low, too. Aren't we about at $9 million? I can't remember, but I don't think the report envisioned us being that high this soon. The question is, even with a $7.1 million number, whether USD can find the money. They don't have the built-in corporate base that Brookings does with Daktronics, Larson Manufacturing, First Bank & Trust, etc. I suppose they'll look to Sioux City, but that's not the same kind of sell as you would do with big corporate partners that are in your own town.

What struck me Saturday when watching the ESPN2 D2 championship game, on my cable provider Mediacomm, was several ads spots from First Bank and Trust. These ads were probably purchased locally from Mediacom.

I tend to think the Fishback Financial Corporation will probably help USD since they have a bank in Vermillion. They are trying to put across a message that their bank institution is a big part of the community. Plus I suspect they have USD alums among their employees. I do agree that Vermillion probably has a much smaller corportate community, and its hard to sell in Sioux City. Also the SDSU budget has grown during the transition and if its now 10 million, I would not be surprised. I could not locate the SDSU annual reports that were posted on the offical website.

[1bunnies]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

Maybe somebody who covers USD for a newspaper (you out there, Mick?) should ask them those questions.

Title IX presents an interesting issue here. 27 new football scholarships plus 27 new women's scholarships = 54. Where are those women's scholarships going to go? Who knows? They have nine women's sports, so they'll find someplace.

Plus, you're going to want to be fully-funded in men's and women's basketball, which means going from the NCC's 12 (I think) to 15. So that's six more. Right there you have 60. Plus, since they're making track & field one of their immediate qualifier sports, you'd assume they'll toss a scholarship or two on each side of that ledger. You're looking at 60 to 70 additional scholarships. SDSU budgets $12,000 per scholarship, so that's $720,000 to $800,000 annually they have to find.

I imagine they view football as a potential source for some of that revenue, so it makes sense to get to 63 quickly to get a big payday every year. That'll help.

You guys haven't been paying attention. They have it all figured out. They are going to be in the Summit League and the Gateway Conference. We are the ones that are probably all screwed up.

[JimmyJack]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

I still want to know how they think they are going to jump their 36 football scholarships to 63 in two years. Coach Ed said this on national signing day this year.
1. Where's the money coming from?
2. Where are the scholarships getting made up to comply with Title IX?
SDSU has better support for their football than the Coyucks and it's taken the Jacks 4 years to jump that many scholarships.

Maybe somebody who covers USD for a newspaper (you out there, Mick?) should ask them those questions.

Title IX presents an interesting issue here. 27 new football scholarships plus 27 new women's scholarships = 54. Where are those women's scholarships going to go? Who knows? They have nine women's sports, so they'll find someplace.

Plus, you're going to want to be fully-funded in men's and women's basketball, which means going from the NCC's 12 (I think) to 15. So that's six more. Right there you have 60. Plus, since they're making track & field one of their immediate qualifier sports, you'd assume they'll toss a scholarship or two on each side of that ledger. You're looking at 60 to 70 additional scholarships. SDSU budgets $12,000 per scholarship, so that's $720,000 to $800,000 annually they have to find.

I imagine they view football as a potential source for some of that revenue, so it makes sense to get to 63 quickly to get a big payday every year. That'll help.

[sfjacksfan99]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

I still want to know how they think they are going to jump their 36 football scholarships to 63 in two years. Coach Ed said this on national signing day this year.
1. Where's the money coming from?
2. Where are the scholarships getting made up to comply with Title IX?
SDSU has better support for their football than the Coyucks and it's taken the Jacks 4 years to jump that many scholarships.

[JimmyJack]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

Wow, they plan to move up on a shoestring budget. That report plans for a total budget of $7.1 million in 2012-13(active member). I don't know what you guys are at the moment, but NDSU is at $10.9 million this year, and expects to be above $11.5 million next year. UND is looking at around $18 million by 2012-13(about $9 million at the moment).

I think our consultant report was a little low, too. Aren't we about at $9 million? I can't remember, but I don't think the report envisioned us being that high this soon. The question is, even with a $7.1 million number, whether USD can find the money. They don't have the built-in corporate base that Brookings does with Daktronics, Larson Manufacturing, First Bank & Trust, etc. I suppose they'll look to Sioux City, but that's not the same kind of sell as you would do with big corporate partners that are in your own town.

[Hammersmith]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

I agree the number seems low, but also keep in mind that USD doesn't have scholarship Baseball, Hockey, Equestrian, or Wrestling like some of the other schools do. They are pretty much at a minimum as far as offered sports is concerned.

Yeah, that's why UND's number is so high. But NDSU is also near the minimum(we have 16 sports). While we have baseball and wrestling, we don't have W tennis or M/W swimming/diving. You guys and UND are the kings in numbers of sports(21 and 20, respectively).

[Jacks-02]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

Wow, they plan to move up on a shoestring budget. That report plans for a total budget of $7.1 million in 2012-13(active member). I don't know what you guys are at the moment, but NDSU is at $10.9 million this year, and expects to be above $11.5 million next year. UND is looking at around $18 million by 2012-13(about $9 million at the moment).

I agree the number seems low, but also keep in mind that USD doesn't have scholarship Baseball, Hockey, Equestrian, or Wrestling like some of the other schools do. They are pretty much at a minimum as far as offered sports is concerned.

[Hammersmith]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

Wow, they plan to move up on a shoestring budget. That report plans for a total budget of $7.1 million in 2012-13(active member). I don't know what you guys are at the moment, but NDSU is at $10.9 million this year, and expects to be above $11.5 million next year. UND is looking at around $18 million by 2012-13(about $9 million at the moment).

[rabidrabbit]

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Don't know if this belongs in the smack section or not. I was actually searching for some SDSU athletic budget information and this came up in my google search. This an internal USD document discussing the pros and cons of moving to D-1. The report was written in November 2006. It is 28 pages long.

Here is the link

I did not read the entire report (28 pages), but there we somethings that caught my eye. Now I have never been on the USD campus, but apparently the Dakota Dump is used for almost every athletic event hosted on campus. Football, Men's and Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball, Indoor Track and Field, Swimming events. In addition to the USD students using it for most of their intramural sports. The Vermillion high school football team uses the facility. State football championships are hosted and various non-sports related events are hosted there. It is very difficult to allow the USD sports teams access to the facility to host games and practice on a consistent basis. These issues and a lot more are discussed in this report, however they never really have any answers on how to resolve the issues with moving up to D-1.

I did like the part about the pool being 25 yards long, however the pool needs to be 25 meters in length for national meet qualifications.

Well I thought I would pass the link along so others could see that USD is much further behind SDSU than I originally thought. They really do have a long uphill climb to turn their athletic teams and facilities into a D-1 institution. I wish them luck.

Go State!!!
Go Jacks!!!

Being a ex-swimmer, and active participant in the initial construction of the DakotaDome in the late 70's, I can assure that the DakotaDome was constructed to be the multi-used facility as listed above. Likewise, unless short-course (normal indoor season) has changed, 25-yds is the standard length. SDSU was smart as it has meters into the diving well, and yards for the standard swimming. UNO (my "other" university) has a delightful 50 meter pool, and a movable bulkhead. USD should have gone for the 25 meter, and a bulkhead to shorten to the 25 yds. But, they were lucky to get a pool at all, and probably wouldn't have if Doc, USD swim coach of multiple years, hadn't stirred the pot REAL hard.

[NorCalJack]

Re: The Official USD to D-I Smack Thread

Don't know if this belongs in the smack section or not. I was actually searching for some SDSU athletic budget information and this came up in my google search. This an internal USD document discussing the pros and cons of moving to D-1. The report was written in November 2006. It is 28 pages long.

Here is the link

I did not read the entire report (28 pages), but there were somethings that caught my eye. Now I have never been on the USD campus, but apparently the Dakota Dump is used for almost every athletic event hosted on campus. Football, Men's and Women's Basketball, Women's Volleyball, Indoor Track and Field, Swimming events. In addition to the USD students using it for most of their intramural sports. The Vermillion high school football team uses the facility. State football championships are hosted and various non-sports related events are hosted there. It is very difficult to allow the USD sports teams access to the facility to host games and practice on a consistent basis. These issues and a lot more are discussed in this report, however they never really have any answers on how to resolve the issues with moving up to D-1.

I did like the part about the pool being 25 yards long, however the pool needs to be 25 meters in length for national meet qualifications.

Well I thought I would pass the link along so others could see that USD is much further behind SDSU than I originally thought. They really do have a long uphill climb to turn their athletic teams and facilities into a D-1 institution. I wish them luck.

Go State!!!
Go Jacks!!!

[Jack4Life]

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I think this post is unfair and going over the line. It actually gets close to being considered slander as well so be carefull what you write. This is smack but if you are going to accuse Lavin of doing something illegally you better have some facts before you go spouting off like this.

Lavin is a very good coach and proved it this year.

As Fred Flintstone would say, "Loosen your bone, Wlima"

[SUPERBUNNY]

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I think this post is unfair and going over the line. It actually gets close to being considered slander as well so be carefull what you write. This is smack but if you are going to accuse Lavin of doing something illegally you better have some facts before you go spouting off like this.

Lavin is a very good coach and proved it this year.

What are you going to do? Tell my mommy?

Slander would be the stunt you idiots pulled down and the dome the last time we played basketball there but that didn't seem to bother any of the folks from the "law school" down there. What an idiot.

While we are comparing:

Chad Lavin=Never could win the big one.
AARON JOHNSTON=NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP COACH

SDSU=Penthouse
USD=Outhouse (aka. the Dakota Dump)

There is no comparison between coaches and there is even less comparison between universities! Never has, never will!

Slander this you little......

SUPERBUNNY

[jackrabit1]

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Allow me to rephrase... just into his thirties... Wasn't he only 29 when he took over from Nieber?