Sioux nickname change likely with tribe stand

[zooropa]

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If enough people get their panties in a bunch over the nickname, it could be the tipping point for the leg. to stick its noses back into the system and undo the last twenty years of work.

And, see, I don't get why the SBoHE would fear -that- as a consequence of decisive action on the nickname.

If anything, the past three years of thumb-twiddling, thumb sucking, and thumb sitting (hopefully in that order), demonstrates that the SBoHE is unfit to handle any serious issue affecting the university system--and (theoretically) a more powerful argument for legislative overhaul (and perhaps micromanagement) than decisive action on the issue.

I mean, if the SBoHE is afraid that acting decisively in a fashion that is temporarily unpopular will bring calls for stricter oversight from legislative yay-hoos, then what will be the consequence of doing nothing for three years?

IMO, a logical and reasoned case can be made for overhauling ND's university governance, based on this & the Chapman debacle. Whereas calls to overhaul the SBoHE based on a decision to drop the nickname would come across as nothing more than sour grapes from legislators that have no idea where their true responsibilities lie.

And maybe I'm completely out in left field here, but I just don't get the hysterical attachment to the nickname. Cryin' out loud. I got a great education from South Dakota State, regardless of what their athletic program calls itself, and I am impressed by the conduct and character of SDSU's coaches and athletes, regardless of what the team mascot looks like.

As Juliet said (more or less), 'a rose by any other name would smell as sweet.'

[SoDakJack]

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This issue is just amazing to me. The fact that one sport (hockey) can hold an entire athletic department hostage is amazing. One question I have is where does the WCHA stand on this whole issue? I would think that this would be a black eye for them too at some point.

[Hammersmith]

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Is the SBoHE an elected board?

If not, then what the (insert intensifier here) are these people afraid of?

The governor appoints them, but the legislature has some say. The president of the board was kicked off a couple years ago when the 5(?) member leg. committee refused to confirm him for another term. This was in response to the Chapman/Potts feud which caused the board to fire Potts. But even more than that, it's the legislature that holds the purse strings and the board can never ignore that. We have our idiot legislators just like you. And if enough of them band together, they can cause real problems for the board. It wasn't more than twenty years ago when the financials of the ND University System were micromanaged by the leg. Only with the creation of the Legislative Roundtable(a group that acts as a buffer between the leg. and the university system), have the universities been able to act independently. This coincided with probably the greatest period of overall university growth in ND history(not just at NDSU, but system-wide). If enough people get their panties in a bunch over the nickname, it could be the tipping point for the leg. to stick its noses back into the system and undo the last twenty years of work.

[filbert]

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Head over to the sioux forums and you will see they are a Lock in the Big Sky, and the Summit is a horrible conference!!


oh yeah, when you show them proof the Summit and BSC are about equal they deny and hide!!!!

Well, to be fair, a lot of xDSU fans once had a similar misconception about the Big Sky as well . . .

[tjbison]

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I could be wrong, but I believe this board is governor appointed. If they are elected they do not spend much on campaigning. I never heard ads nor do I recall seeing poster etc.

So many are connected to the University, and a lot people think its grossly unfair for them to have to give his logo and can always blame the few complaining natives on political correctness, because they feel they have honored the Native people by having programs in medicine and culture. They might have best suited programs for Native Americans, and they do have the highest enrollment of Natives of any of Dakota schools, but these actions do not justify the use of the logo. Some people can not accept that fact and move on, plus they have no concept of the D1 transition. Well when the Summit admits Utah Valley or some other school maybe a the resistence will finally go away.

Head over to the sioux forums and you will see they are a Lock in the Big Sky, and the Summit is a horrible conference!!


oh yeah, when you show them proof the Summit and BSC are about equal they deny and hide!!!!

[Nidaros]

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Is the SBoHE an elected board?

If not, then what the (insert intensifier here) are these people afraid of?

I could be wrong, but I believe this board is governor appointed. If they are elected they do not spend much on campaigning. I never heard ads nor do I recall seeing poster etc.

So many are connected to the University, and a lot people think its grossly unfair for them to have to give his logo and can always blame the few complaining natives on political correctness, because they feel they have honored the Native people by having programs in medicine and culture. They might have best suited programs for Native Americans, and they do have the highest enrollment of Natives of any of Dakota schools, but these actions do not justify the use of the logo. Some people can not accept that fact and move on, plus they have no concept of the D1 transition. Well when the Summit admits Utah Valley or some other school maybe a the resistence will finally go away.

[JackJD]

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If not, then what the (insert intensifier here) are these people afraid of?

Hockey goons.

At the least, they pour beer on you when you walk out of the hockey palace.

[zooropa]

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Is the SBoHE an elected board?

If not, then what the (insert intensifier here) are these people afraid of?

[Hammersmith]

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There are certain specified logos, that will have a time frame for replacement, but yes I believe IF they want to host any NCAA post season games, the "abusive" Logo needs to be covered. I don't know how many of you have been in there, but wow its a Logo everywhere you look, even in the Marble floor


I'm sure Hammer will correct me if I'm wrong, but thats how I remember it and like you haven't looked in awhile as I'm really getting tired of hearing about this "stupid" issue

Okay, you invoked my name so here I am. I'm like Beetlejuice without the repetition.

Here's the settlement agreement. Page 6 has the description of the categories, and pages 11 and 12 have detailed listings of the items to be kept or removed(and the deadlines).

http://www.ag.state.nd.us/ncaa/SettlementAgreement.pdf


This whole thing is a giant hot potato to the politicians of North Dakota. Everyone of consequence wants the nickname gone, but they don't want to be blamed for it. So the decision keeps getting delayed with the hope that the public and the supporters of UND will blame someone else when the time comes. The State Board of Higher Ed thought they had a way to blame the Standing Rock Sioux, but then this new lawsuit came up and threw everything into disarray again. I can just imagine UND president Kelley and AD Faison banging their heads into the wall just wanting the whole thing to stop.

[zooropa]

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This -should- be UND's new logo:

[tjbison]

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Do they have to cover them up for post-season hockey games? I haven't looked at anything for a long time, but I thought that if they changed the name they only had to take things out when it was normally replaced (i.e. when a seat gets worn out can't put another in with the old logo to match the rest) so that everything would be replaced in its normal life span.

There are certain specified logos, that will have a time frame for replacement, but yes I believe IF they want to host any NCAA post season games, the "abusive" Logo needs to be covered. I don't know how many of you have been in there, but wow its a Logo everywhere you look, even in the Marble floor


I'm sure Hammer will correct me if I'm wrong, but thats how I remember it and like you haven't looked in awhile as I'm really getting tired of hearing about this "stupid" issue

[filbert]

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The most descriptive word for the situation with the school in Grand Forks begins with "cluster" I believe . . .

[1stRowFANatic]

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The whole thing is pure Hockey based and thats it, It will cost UND MILLIONS that the state will not pay to remove all the Logos that Ralphy the Commy Engelstad plastered all over that place, technically they don't need to remove them, but even covering them all up for a post season game in Hockey would be a ton of money. Sadly they are hurting all other sports for the sake of 1, but then again Hockey is their bread and butter.

WCHA is mor important than the GWC, and or Summit

Do they have to cover them up for post-season hockey games? I haven't looked at anything for a long time, but I thought that if they changed the name they only had to take things out when it was normally replaced (i.e. when a seat gets worn out can't put another in with the old logo to match the rest) so that everything would be replaced in its normal life span.

[tjbison]

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To me it just shows that there is one focus up there in Grand Forks and you can only play it on a frozen pond. Transition is bad enough, I can't imagine how much this will erode their fanbase. Not to mention that the Athletic Department and the Administration look like complete baffoons.

Hey, there's a name. The UND Fighting Baffoons.

The Summitt League could care less about Hockey. If UND isn't worried about all their other sports then why should the Summitt be interested in them? Am I onto something or on something with that? I don't know. It just seems like when the situation up there couldn't get any more bizarre or comical it does just that.

SDSU really got lucky to have conference memberships fall into place at good times. Transition sucked! Sure SDSU would have made a great addition to many conferences. A spot needed to open up and we're lucky it did.

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

The whole thing is pure Hockey based and thats it, It will cost UND MILLIONS that the state will not pay to remove all the Logos that Ralphy the Commy Engelstad plastered all over that place, technically they don't need to remove them, but even covering them all up for a post season game in Hockey would be a ton of money. Sadly they are hurting all other sports for the sake of 1, but then again Hockey is their bread and butter.

WCHA is mor important than the GWC, and or Summit

[SUPERBUNNY]

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To me it just shows that there is one focus up there in Grand Forks and you can only play it on a frozen pond. Transition is bad enough, I can't imagine how much this will erode their fanbase. Not to mention that the Athletic Department and the Administration look like complete baffoons.

Hey, there's a name. The UND Fighting Baffoons.

The Summitt League could care less about Hockey. If UND isn't worried about all their other sports then why should the Summitt be interested in them? Am I onto something or on something with that? I don't know. It just seems like when the situation up there couldn't get any more bizarre or comical it does just that.

SDSU really got lucky to have conference memberships fall into place at good times. Transition sucked! Sure SDSU would have made a great addition to many conferences. A spot needed to open up and we're lucky it did.

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY