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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by bigticket1 View Post
    100% agree. Entering the realm of Div. I athletics pretty much made recruiting the best athletes available a necessity. Men's BB has 2 of 12 scholarship players from SD, women have 4 of 14. If a coach doesn't win at this level. they will be looking for a new job. They need to have the ability to recruit who they think gives them the best chance to compete, regardless of where they are from.
    With success, the best will want to be at SDSU. Look at football as an example.

    The exceptions are kids that can go P5 and even then Macy Miller could have easily went P5 and stayed home.

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  • bigticket1
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    Originally posted by BTownJack View Post
    I agree with this. Doesn't matter where the kids are from. I understand we are a land-grant SD university but none of our coaches can waste much time going after SD recruits just because they are from SD. There are so many factors in the recruiting process that sometimes as much as Hahn may want a SD recruit, that kid might have zero interest in SDSU. Or their academic goals don't match up with what we have to offer at SDSU. I could list a myriad of things that might negate interest from either party. The hometown of a recruit has very little bearing on if the kid is recruited or not. Best recruits get most interest - lines on a map don't matter much at that point.
    100% agree. Entering the realm of Div. I athletics pretty much made recruiting the best athletes available a necessity. Men's BB has 2 of 12 scholarship players from SD, women have 4 of 14. If a coach doesn't win at this level. they will be looking for a new job. They need to have the ability to recruit who they think gives them the best chance to compete, regardless of where they are from.

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  • BTownJack
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    Originally posted by KSjack View Post
    You really think the staff had any chance of swaying Nash from a full ride football scholarship? I don’t and I don’t hold that against them because if I was Nash I would go football 100%. Growing wrestling in the state has nothing to do with kids from the state going to the state university. Look at Colorado, Georgia, Florida, etc where there is no universities but yet they are pumping out high ranking guys going big d1 not instate. South Dakota needs to focus on development as the only legit d1 recruits in recent memory were the kocers, rotert, kokesh, jensens, storley, and Nash. You could argue too that the kocers and jensens were mostly college development. As of now I love hahn’s recruiting of ditching sodak and focusing on legit d1 kids to bring in and develop. Once SDSU rises to a perennial top 25 it will only help sodak wrestling get better from elementary to high school as you want to replicate that success.


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    I agree with this. Doesn't matter where the kids are from. I understand we are a land-grant SD university but none of our coaches can waste much time going after SD recruits just because they are from SD. There are so many factors in the recruiting process that sometimes as much as Hahn may want a SD recruit, that kid might have zero interest in SDSU. Or their academic goals don't match up with what we have to offer at SDSU. I could list a myriad of things that might negate interest from either party. The hometown of a recruit has very little bearing on if the kid is recruited or not. Best recruits get most interest - lines on a map don't matter much at that point.

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  • MNJack3
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    Originally posted by AZjack View Post
    Partly, but the issue is that Bono and Hahn haven't always kept the best in state. I think Voorhees will be better than March in time.

    We need to be aggressive in keeping the top kids in state. I don't think that has been the case since Rotert and the Kocers were here. We've had just as many AA's from SD as any other state, we need to get those kids to Brookings when they come along.
    Rotert & Kocer Bothers were absolute studs. With exception of Nash, South Dakota hasn't produced a kid at their level. The March kid that's headed to NDSU sounds like a stud, but I would much rather have the staff focus on pulling recruits from Iowa, Minnesota, Ohio, & NY/NJ. The volume of D1 Wrestlers in the state of SD is just not there to get up in arms about. I would agree, it's great to see home state kids stay at the local school, but sometime those few studs want to get out and explore elsewhere.

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  • KSjack
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    Originally posted by TheWombat View Post
    I wasn't saying that there were nine South Dakotans on the roster to say that a small percentage of them are good. I was saying that to say that there should be a lot more. 9/37 from your own state is very low. I think that the staff needs to be intentional about bringing in nationally relevant guys like March and Hutmacher who would be favored to crack the line-up while also taking some more flyers like Schoon and Voorhees who can be good projects or provide depth. Both types of recruits exist in South Dakota, we just have to be intentional about going after them. To their credit, Schoon and, Lamer were smart recruits from South Dakota, but there are more out there to be had. If they're going to have 37 people on a roster, it's worth their time to have some local guys who can help to grow wrestling in the state.
    You really think the staff had any chance of swaying Nash from a full ride football scholarship? I don’t and I don’t hold that against them because if I was Nash I would go football 100%. Growing wrestling in the state has nothing to do with kids from the state going to the state university. Look at Colorado, Georgia, Florida, etc where there is no universities but yet they are pumping out high ranking guys going big d1 not instate. South Dakota needs to focus on development as the only legit d1 recruits in recent memory were the kocers, rotert, kokesh, jensens, storley, and Nash. You could argue too that the kocers and jensens were mostly college development. As of now I love hahn’s recruiting of ditching sodak and focusing on legit d1 kids to bring in and develop. Once SDSU rises to a perennial top 25 it will only help sodak wrestling get better from elementary to high school as you want to replicate that success.


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  • TheWombat
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    Originally posted by BTownJack View Post
    As with other sports the kids from MN and IA (or name nearly any other state) are typically more battled tested and advanced once they get to college. As much as you want SD kids to be contributors they simply need to beat the other kids on the roster to make the starting line-up. High school competition in other states is far superior than in SD which puts our SD athletes (especially in male sports) at a pretty big disadvantage when it comes to preparing for national junior events and college. SD may produce more wrestlers per capita but quality trumps quantity nearly every time. So I wouldn't call it a problem, our current SD athletes just aren't good enough despite there being 9 of them on the roster.
    I wasn't saying that there were nine South Dakotans on the roster to say that a small percentage of them are good. I was saying that to say that there should be a lot more. 9/37 from your own state is very low. I think that the staff needs to be intentional about bringing in nationally relevant guys like March and Hutmacher who would be favored to crack the line-up while also taking some more flyers like Schoon and Voorhees who can be good projects or provide depth. Both types of recruits exist in South Dakota, we just have to be intentional about going after them. To their credit, Schoon and, Lamer were smart recruits from South Dakota, but there are more out there to be had. If they're going to have 37 people on a roster, it's worth their time to have some local guys who can help to grow wrestling in the state.

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  • AZjack
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    Partly, but the issue is that Bono and Hahn haven't always kept the best in state. I think Voorhees will be better than March in time.

    We need to be aggressive in keeping the top kids in state. I don't think that has been the case since Rotert and the Kocers were here. We've had just as many AA's from SD as any other state, we need to get those kids to Brookings when they come along.

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  • BTownJack
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    Originally posted by TheWombat View Post
    Most of the problem that I have with missing on Voorhees is not being able to get South Dakota kids into the line-up, or even in the room. I would love for local wrestlers to be able to look at the wrestlers that they put out on Friday nights and see people who they saw wrestle when they were young and know that they could do it to. Unless Schoon really works out or Mueller gets healthy, we're not going to have any local wrestler in the starting line-up for quite a while. There's nothing wrong with Minnesota or Iowa wrestlers but having nine South Dakota wrestlers in the room and none in the starting line-up when South Dakota produces more wrestlers per capita than any other state is something that I would classify as a problem. At this point, I'm hoping that they bring in Kadoun even though I don't think that he will ever contribute.
    As with other sports the kids from MN and IA (or name nearly any other state) are typically more battled tested and advanced once they get to college. As much as you want SD kids to be contributors they simply need to beat the other kids on the roster to make the starting line-up. High school competition in other states is far superior than in SD which puts our SD athletes (especially in male sports) at a pretty big disadvantage when it comes to preparing for national junior events and college. SD may produce more wrestlers per capita but quality trumps quantity nearly every time. So I wouldn't call it a problem, our current SD athletes just aren't good enough despite there being 9 of them on the roster.

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  • TheWombat
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    Most of the problem that I have with missing on Voorhees is not being able to get South Dakota kids into the line-up, or even in the room. I would love for local wrestlers to be able to look at the wrestlers that they put out on Friday nights and see people who they saw wrestle when they were young and know that they could do it to. Unless Schoon really works out or Mueller gets healthy, we're not going to have any local wrestler in the starting line-up for quite a while. There's nothing wrong with Minnesota or Iowa wrestlers but having nine South Dakota wrestlers in the room and none in the starting line-up when South Dakota produces more wrestlers per capita than any other state is something that I would classify as a problem. At this point, I'm hoping that they bring in Kadoun even though I don't think that he will ever contribute.

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  • TheWombat
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    Originally posted by ringthebells View Post
    I just saw that Cooper Vorhees signed to wrestle at Wyoming.
    That's too bad. Where did you see this? I haven't been able to find anything on it. I don't think he was a must get. He would have been a project and he didn't have a clear path into the line-up. That said, I feel like there was about a %20 chance the this staff could make him into an All American with his talents and attitude. It doesn't hurt as much a losing March, but it doesn't feel particularly good.

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  • jackrabbit1979
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    Originally posted by AZjack View Post
    Voorhees was one we needed to keep in state.
    For depth reasons, I'd agree. However, we have what looks to be some young starters around the 165 weight class where Voorhees probably projects and the staff maybe felt they had priority for other scholarship athletes in this class elsewhere in the lineup. It will be interesting to see if Cade Devos or Tanner Cook land at that class next year, or if Devos can remain at 157 or Cook at 165. Both are fairly big for their current weight classes (157 and 165).

    You can never have too much depth, so keeping Voorhees would have been great. Not sure if he was a priority for the staff or not, or if he was offered.

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  • AZjack
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    Voorhees was one we needed to keep in state.

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  • bennymj171
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    Althoff is signed to wrestle at Northern

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  • ringthebells
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    I just saw that Cooper Vorhees signed to wrestle at Wyoming.

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  • stchrist
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    I think Crownover has committed to playing FB at USD.

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