Recruits

[AZjack]

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Bruh.. I grew up and wrestled in Minnesota. Went to school at SDSU. Moved to Kansas for a job. I agree wresting blows in kansas which is why I never once said recruit it. But, Kansas did just have a cadet world team member. When was South Dakota’s last one? I’ll wait.


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Hutmacher.

[UWMandSDSU]

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I was talking to Terry Pack (Legends of Gold) the other day. He was telling me California has only 1 HS class of wrestling so even though a kid from California (eg Dalton Lakman) isn’t a state champion he could very well end up being a contributor in college.

[KSjack]

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Kansas wrestling sucks compared to SD. Lol. Like I stated before, we have had as many AA's from SD.

Maybe lay off the sauce when posting KSJack.

Bruh.. I grew up and wrestled in Minnesota. Went to school at SDSU. Moved to Kansas for a job. I agree wresting blows in kansas which is why I never once said recruit it. But, Kansas did just have a cadet world team member. When was South Dakota’s last one? I’ll wait.


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[MontanaRabbit]

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I am not arguing that we should fill to upper half of out depth-chart with all local guy, that would be stupid. But we aren't going to get 40 Fargo all-Americans in the room. When we can get a top flight guy from South Dakota, I think that we should try to do that (Maybe we get a guy like Kellyn March over a guy like Caleb Gross). That's not always possible and where somebody is from shouldn't move the needle tremendously here. But, more importantly, when we're filling out the bottom half of our depth chart with projects and depth guys it make a lot of sense to shop local. I have no problem with guys like Copestick, Lakeman, Rucklos and Mcconville, but why not take a look at the Turman brothers, Michael Lusk, Dante Colecheski, or Logan Warzecha. There would be no drop off in talent, it would help build the sport in the state and they are almost certainly cheaper. I just googled him, and it looks like Michael Lusk is actually in Brookings going to school anyway. He's a three time state champ, four time finalist. Why not give this guy a phone call, buy him some text books and get him in the room rather than trying to convince Dalton Lakeman to move 2,000 miles away from home?

I live on the East coast and I'm from Minnesota; I have never even seen a SD high school match in person but I see a lot of value in investing in the betterment of South Dakota high school wrestling. The reason that Iowa is such fertile recruiting ground is the vast number of successful college wrestlers that have turned around and given back to the community. They've helped out at high schools, put on clinics, started freco clubs and camps. South Dakota have comparable interest in wrestling to Iowa. They have a quarter of the population, but they also have a quarter of the collegiate wrestling opportunities. If we build the infrastructure, we can have comparable results over time.

There are tons of youth coaches that do great work and don't know the finer points of a cross-wrist tilt, but the higher level that you coach, the more that you need to know and, outside of Legends of Gold, there aren't a ton of places that you can go to learn very high-level technique in state That's why SoDak has so many wrestlers but so few great wrestlers. J Rob's wrestlers transformed Minnesota high school wrestling when he was there, Ben and Max Askren are doing the same in Wisconsin right now. It may take a while for this to bare fruit, but it will and they won't be worse for having done it.

Do you know that Michael Lusk wants to wrestle collegiately?

[TheWombat]

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Are we in the being successful crowd or making coaches crowd? I wanna be successful. If that means letting kids go back to the farm then that’s what it means. If you are a 3 time state champ why aren’t they going Fargo? I want proven prospects that have had national success then grabbing a handful of non proven prospects PRAYING that 1 or 2 pans out. Just because they might take lower scholarships doesn’t change the time commitments. Take the time to recruit proven prospects!! I don’t get why this is even a question. Once the quality of South Dakota high school wrestling rises then take the chances. I’m not being a downer either as I hope by the time my nephew makes high school they are at the level of quality wrestling!! Also I know numerous state champs/placer who never never wrestled collegiately who are GREAT head coaches. Wrestling in college has nothing to do with that! I myself wrestled juco 1 year and now a head coach of a youth club. Do I think I’m less bc I didn’t wrestle d1-d3? No, being a wrestling coach is all about helping the kids love the sport as they learn about it! I know guys that only wrestled jv in high school and are amazing youth coaches. I’d rather flame out on a 1 time state champs from a respected state who wrestled national tournaments then a 3x state champ who didn’t regardless of state.


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I am not arguing that we should fill to upper half of out depth-chart with all local guy, that would be stupid. But we aren't going to get 40 Fargo all-Americans in the room. When we can get a top flight guy from South Dakota, I think that we should try to do that (Maybe we get a guy like Kellyn March over a guy like Caleb Gross). That's not always possible and where somebody is from shouldn't move the needle tremendously here. But, more importantly, when we're filling out the bottom half of our depth chart with projects and depth guys it make a lot of sense to shop local. I have no problem with guys like Copestick, Lakeman, Rucklos and Mcconville, but why not take a look at the Turman brothers, Michael Lusk, Dante Colecheski, or Logan Warzecha. There would be no drop off in talent, it would help build the sport in the state and they are almost certainly cheaper. I just googled him, and it looks like Michael Lusk is actually in Brookings going to school anyway. He's a three time state champ, four time finalist. Why not give this guy a phone call, buy him some text books and get him in the room rather than trying to convince Dalton Lakeman to move 2,000 miles away from home?

I live on the East coast and I'm from Minnesota; I have never even seen a SD high school match in person but I see a lot of value in investing in the betterment of South Dakota high school wrestling. The reason that Iowa is such fertile recruiting ground is the vast number of successful college wrestlers that have turned around and given back to the community. They've helped out at high schools, put on clinics, started freco clubs and camps. South Dakota have comparable interest in wrestling to Iowa. They have a quarter of the population, but they also have a quarter of the collegiate wrestling opportunities. If we build the infrastructure, we can have comparable results over time.

There are tons of youth coaches that do great work and don't know the finer points of a cross-wrist tilt, but the higher level that you coach, the more that you need to know and, outside of Legends of Gold, there aren't a ton of places that you can go to learn very high-level technique in state That's why SoDak has so many wrestlers but so few great wrestlers. J Rob's wrestlers transformed Minnesota high school wrestling when he was there, Ben and Max Askren are doing the same in Wisconsin right now. It may take a while for this to bare fruit, but it will and they won't be worse for having done it.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Two things:

1) You can’t throw scholarships money at every “project” in the state.
2) Not every state champ wants to wrestle in college. Between the physicality, weight cut, etc. a large number get burnt out.

[TheWombat]

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My understanding has been that we turn away a lot of walk-ons or use them as practice guys and don't put them on the roster. This info was from the Bono era, so I can't be sure on that.

[AZjack]

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Then walk on and prove it!! You know what fills frost? SUCCESS!!!!!!


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Kansas wrestling sucks compared to SD. Lol. Like I stated before, we have had as many AA's from SD.

Maybe lay off the sauce when posting KSJack.

[KSjack]

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Agree 100%. South Dakota has quality wrestlers that don't get all the publicity since they don't go to all the national tournaments. Doesn't mean they aren't just as good as some of those Fargo AA's.

Wrestling fans are far more passionate than FB or BB fans, you get the good local kids, you'll build a great fanbase to fill Frost.

Then walk on and prove it!! You know what fills frost? SUCCESS!!!!!!


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[KSjack]

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It seems likely that I'm just going to disagree with a lot of people on this. In my view, South Dakota has a surplus of good athletes who are nowhere near their potential. Guys like Crownover, Hutmacher, Voorhees, and others are good multiple sport athletes who can grow into talented wrestlers given the correct environment and we can get some of them for little to no scholarship money because they were going to come here anyway and they aren't big names. I've met some SD state champions just walking around campus between classes. There are also some wrestlers like Schunke, Warren, and March who really are big-time division one prospects who we know have the ability to compete for a spot. If we can get these people in the room, we can train future coaches who will go back to their home towns and contribute (I've always wanted Rotert to go back west-river and start a club). If we can get them on the mat on Friday nights, we can inspire all of these three-time state champs that South Dakota produces to wrestle collegiately rather than going back to the farm and working, which seems to be the norm. The Jacks can take a leading role in building wrestling in the state. Bono did this with the South Dakota showcase, with helping to build Legends of Gold, and with picking up a lot of native South Dakotans. The Jacks get all of these one-time champions from random states that end up either flaming out or performing poorly, why not snag a couple of local wrestler who might be good projects and might build the sport instead?

Are we in the being successful crowd or making coaches crowd? I wanna be successful. If that means letting kids go back to the farm then that’s what it means. If you are a 3 time state champ why aren’t they going Fargo? I want proven prospects that have had national success then grabbing a handful of non proven prospects PRAYING that 1 or 2 pans out. Just because they might take lower scholarships doesn’t change the time commitments. Take the time to recruit proven prospects!! I don’t get why this is even a question. Once the quality of South Dakota high school wrestling rises then take the chances. I’m not being a downer either as I hope by the time my nephew makes high school they are at the level of quality wrestling!! Also I know numerous state champs/placer who never never wrestled collegiately who are GREAT head coaches. Wrestling in college has nothing to do with that! I myself wrestled juco 1 year and now a head coach of a youth club. Do I think I’m less bc I didn’t wrestle d1-d3? No, being a wrestling coach is all about helping the kids love the sport as they learn about it! I know guys that only wrestled jv in high school and are amazing youth coaches. I’d rather flame out on a 1 time state champs from a respected state who wrestled national tournaments then a 3x state champ who didn’t regardless of state.


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[AZjack]

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It seems likely that I'm just going to disagree with a lot of people on this. In my view, South Dakota has a surplus of good athletes who are nowhere near their potential. Guys like Crownover, Hutmacher, Voorhees, and others are good multiple sport athletes who can grow into talented wrestlers given the correct environment and we can get some of them for little to no scholarship money because they were going to come here anyway and they aren't big names. I've met some SD state champions just walking around campus between classes. There are also some wrestlers like Schunke, Warren, and March who really are big-time division one prospects who we know have the ability to compete for a spot. If we can get these people in the room, we can train future coaches who will go back to their home towns and contribute (I've always wanted Rotert to go back west-river and start a club). If we can get them on the mat on Friday nights, we can inspire all of these three-time state champs that South Dakota produces to wrestle collegiately rather than going back to the farm and working, which seems to be the norm. The Jacks can take a leading role in building wrestling in the state. Bono did this with the South Dakota showcase, with helping to build Legends of Gold, and with picking up a lot of native South Dakotans. The Jacks get all of these one-time champions from random states that end up either flaming out or performing poorly, why not snag a couple of local wrestler who might be good projects and might build the sport instead?

Agree 100%. South Dakota has quality wrestlers that don't get all the publicity since they don't go to all the national tournaments. Doesn't mean they aren't just as good as some of those Fargo AA's.

Wrestling fans are far more passionate than FB or BB fans, you get the good local kids, you'll build a great fanbase to fill Frost.

[TheWombat]

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It seems likely that I'm just going to disagree with a lot of people on this. In my view, South Dakota has a surplus of good athletes who are nowhere near their potential. Guys like Crownover, Hutmacher, Voorhees, and others are good multiple sport athletes who can grow into talented wrestlers given the correct environment and we can get some of them for little to no scholarship money because they were going to come here anyway and they aren't big names. I've met some SD state champions just walking around campus between classes. There are also some wrestlers like Schunke, Warren, and March who really are big-time division one prospects who we know have the ability to compete for a spot. If we can get these people in the room, we can train future coaches who will go back to their home towns and contribute (I've always wanted Rotert to go back west-river and start a club). If we can get them on the mat on Friday nights, we can inspire all of these three-time state champs that South Dakota produces to wrestle collegiately rather than going back to the farm and working, which seems to be the norm. The Jacks can take a leading role in building wrestling in the state. Bono did this with the South Dakota showcase, with helping to build Legends of Gold, and with picking up a lot of native South Dakotans. The Jacks get all of these one-time champions from random states that end up either flaming out or performing poorly, why not snag a couple of local wrestler who might be good projects and might build the sport instead?

[ringthebells]

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A story about the Schunke brothers.
http://brandonvalleyjournal.com/cont...6tUH6VoqXyZpTE

[ringthebells]

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That's too bad. Where did you see this? I haven't been able to find anything on it. I don't think he was a must get. He would have been a project and he didn't have a clear path into the line-up. That said, I feel like there was about a %20 chance the this staff could make him into an All American with his talents and attitude. It doesn't hurt as much a losing March, but it doesn't feel particularly good.

I saw it on a RC Stevens wrestling Facebook page. Edit: I guess it was shared from Wyoming wrestling's page.

https://www.facebook.com/wyowrestlin...type=3&theater

[westernjack]

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I agree with this. Doesn't matter where the kids are from. I understand we are a land-grant SD university but none of our coaches can waste much time going after SD recruits just because they are from SD. There are so many factors in the recruiting process that sometimes as much as Hahn may want a SD recruit, that kid might have zero interest in SDSU. Or their academic goals don't match up with what we have to offer at SDSU. I could list a myriad of things that might negate interest from either party. The hometown of a recruit has very little bearing on if the kid is recruited or not. Best recruits get most interest - lines on a map don't matter much at that point.

For sports with fewer athletes (basketball, wrestling) I agree with this. I think with football and the large number of players it’s a little different. If a South Dakota kid shows potential it’s much easier to take a chance and see if they develop into a good player with football than it would be with basketball or wrestling