ORU gdt

[jackdaniel]

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The problem with this is that they are not only quicker when they are on defense, but on offense also. So if we try to do what they do, it is a longer reach, our player is leaning more and it looks more like a foul. In both games, they got to the point where they were running away from us until they put it in cruise to run out the clock. I think if we see them again, there will be a different strategy on how the game is approached.

from us until they put it in cruise to run out the clock.

That's one more thing i've noticed, we let them control the pace, when Luper and Bigham get tired (they play the entire game , unless they get a big lead) they slow the pace down ,bring the ball up super slow to rest them.We shouldn't let them do that.Put players on them to force them to bring the ball up.If they're going to play Luper all game, make sure she get's no rest at all,period.The first game, a player stood by the coach for ten seconds listening to the coach dribbling in place.We let them get by with that?Next time we play them,no more rest periods & no more free time outs.Control the game pace to our advantage.If they want to rest Luper, make them pull her out & sit her on the bench.If we watch our fouls, they won't get any rest there either.We could really wear them out,if we tried too.They wouldn't be pressing so much anyway.

[bigticket1]

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Other than Muchienhern we have the same guards we had last year. Don't understand all the turnovers.

Maybe we need to use the big's in the middle of the floor to help us get the ball up court. Both Maria and Jenn are athletic enough to give us some help.

Guess what folks? We will get another shot at them in Sioux Falls. AJ will have them prepared. I still like our chances of winning the Summit Tournament.

GBGBGJ

It's hard to understand. Last season we forced about 150 more turnovers than we committed. This year we have committed 50 more turnovers than we have forced.

[filbert]

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We've known for a long time that this year's team has a serious problem with turnovers.

That problem just jumped up and bit them big time (swallowed them whole, actually) in Tulsa. If you don't take care of the ball, you will lose, regardless of how well you perform in other areas of the game. Pretty simple.

A quick bit of spreadsheeting of turnovers per minutes played so far this season yielded this:

SDSU as a team: .101 turnovers per player-minute (408 turnovers, 4025 min.)
Opponents commit .089 turnovers per player-minute (350 turnovers, 4025 min.)

SDSU players committing more than the team average turnover rate:
Lingle, Fr: .197 (minutes played: #10 on the team)
Eide, Fr.: .151 (# 7)
Paluch, Fr.: .132 (# 9)
Sunnarborg, So.: .127 (# 6)
Johnson, So.: .125 (# 13)
Rotert, Jr.: .108 (# 2)
Michelson, Jr.: .106 (# 5)

Additionally, SDSU players committing equal to or more than their opponents' average turnover rate:
Anderson, Sr.: .096 (# 12)
Westergard, Fr.: .091 (#11) - no longer with team
Young, So.: .089 (# 4)

SDSU players committing less than the opponents' turnover rate:
Bover, Sr.: .079 (# 1)
Cornemann, Sr.: .078 (# 3)
Deitel, Fr.: .069 (# 8)
Schuttloffel, Jr.: .060 (#14)

Now, if you're a player towards the top of this scale, you'd better either be an underclassman (as most are) who's figuring things out and improving, or if you're an upperclassman, you'd better be really, really productive in other areas of the game to make up for your relative sloppiness with the ball. That's where coaches earn their money . . . making those decisions about players.

So I'd say Leah Deitel gets the gold star for taking really good care of the ball as a freshman.

Kristin Rotert and Macie Michelson, especially, need to work on their ball control (although Michelson's assist/turnover ratio is positive, and she's a point guard, where maybe you expect a few more turnovers, while Rotert's a/to ratio is horrible--around .500.

Bottom line is that the entire team needs to take really, really seriously the turnover problem, or they're going to get whacked in the conference tournament and never make a second straight NCAA.

[Nidaros]

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Considering our season long turnover problems,fine-tuned is not a term I would use to describe our offense for most of this season.

Of course this year's offense is not going good, but the fine tuning was a reference to prior years, not this year. I guess I did not make my self clear. I would like to see our ladies in first place, but we are not so there are a number of things that need to be fixed and thats why we hired AJ, and not a pack of ugly fans to run the program.

[Nidaros]

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We have to take care of business & beat the teams in the rest of the Summit schedule, and get the #2 seed ( if ORU wins out the rest of the way) and earn another shot at ORU for all the marbles, but this time we send 'em home for the season.That might be a little easier in front of 10,000 screaming fans in the Arena.This second game, I thought we'd at least of shut down Pyle underneath the basket at least, they can't all be quicker than we are.Are the NDSU players quicker than us?How about IPFW?Both these teams beat ORU,why can't we?I don't think it's all how the players match up,it's got to be strategy too.Maybe they play a lot harder against us,as we have dominated the conference for some time now.Maybe it's a combination of them being fortunate enough to have two very good games against us, while at the same time we self destruct & make it easier for them.They've got to be pretty confident in however they're beating us, but,we've still got time to figure it all out.

Maybe another question would be how did Coach Finkbeiner spend the summer of 2009? I bet he spent some of it studying the SDSU game tapes, and no doubt he found some ways to raise havoc with our offensive sets even after some of our ladies graduated, we are probably running many of the same ones that were run in the first year that AJ took over. I suspect also that an important part of coaching in the Summit League is knowing the other nine coaches and how they think and what kind of offense sets they run. I think AJ needs sit down and go over these two botched ORU games and see what has happened, and if we lose in Sioux Falls, in March, he will have more time on his hands to do these things. There has to be some patterns to analyze. I suppose with good quickness, you can affectively trap our guards, and maybe we need to get a little smarter in dealing with their press. Quickness has its advantages, but there are other ways to deal with that advantage.

[SoDakJack]

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Maybe another question would be how did Coach Finkbeiner spend the summer of 2009? I bet he spent some of it studying the SDSU game tapes, and no doubt he found some ways to raise havoc with our offensive sets even after some of our ladies graduated, we are probably running many of the same ones that were run in the first year that AJ took over. I suspect also that an important part of coaching in the Summit League is knowing the other nine coaches and how they think and what kind of offense sets they run. I think AJ needs sit down and go over these two botched ORU games and see what has happened, and if we lose in Sioux Falls, in March, he will have more time on his hands to do these things. There has to be some patterns to analyze. I suppose with good quickness, you can affectively trap our guards, and maybe we need to get a little smarter in dealing with their press. Quickness has its advantages, but there are other ways to deal with that advantage.

I am sure that the prep by the opposition's coaches has a role in the team's struggles against ORU this year, but I think that the youth of the women's team plays more to this year than anything.

This season reminds me of the year of transition in which we lost to Creighton at Frost. That was a young team that just happened to not have to deal with a tough conference schedule to find themselves. These are just normal growing pains, we have been spoiled so far in our limited time in DI. Very similar to what NDSU is dealing with on the men's side.

No matter what type of success that this team will have, the bar that was set in years prior is very difficult to maintain. That being said, at least there is that brass ring that they know they can reach out and grab.

[jackdaniel]

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We have to develop our freshmen it seems, next yr we might potentialy lose not one but two 1,000 pt scorer's.It might be a long time before we assemble another team like the one in 2008-2009.That blend of experience & talent.Player development is a continuing process, but each yr there are good senior players to replace, which changes somewhat the whole team chemistry, as past strenghs are no longer there,& new ones are .Going from H.S. to college basketball is a big change.New leaders emerge each season to lead the team,it's hard to lose a leader you're so comfortable with & take all that responsibility on your shoulders.Finaly, the whole team has to come together & commit themselves to becomming the best they can possibly be, with thier own unique talents...we're getting there.

[SturgisJeff]

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ORU hasnt beaten the Jacks, the Jacks have beaten the Jacks. They were in the game until they made the mental mistakes that beat them. granted ORU helped.

[jacks1]

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ORU hasnt beaten the Jacks, the Jacks have beaten the Jacks. They were in the game until they made the mental mistakes that beat them. granted ORU helped.

Come on now, ORU has clearly been the better team in the two meetings this year. I love Jackrabbit kool-aid as much as anyone, but facts are facts.