Jackrabbits @ USD 1/17/15 the early game

[Southeast]

Re: Jackrabbits @ USD 1/17/15 the early game

Calling bs on that one Daniel. If we want to be a sweet 16 team pummeling Summit League teams (including usd) needs to be the goal. The 2008 team would still dominate today's Summit.

True, but this team is not Sweet-16 material. I feel very comfortable saying that after seeing them drop 3 out of 4 to Summit teams.

Today's loss does not bug me too much. USD has a good team. It's tough to beat them in the dome. Doing it without your all-conference senior wing is going to be extremely difficult. They almost pulled it off.

[propar80]

Re: Jackrabbits @ USD 1/17/15 the early game

I definitely wasn't talking about this years team. But our PROGRAM can't have the attitude that "Summit teams are catching us" or we will NEVER have a shot at the sweet 16 ever again. Then we then become just another slightly above average mid-major hoping to show up in some made-up, stupid ass mid-major poll every week.
Let's be better and get back into the top 25....preferably next season.

Losing to subpar teams is not acceptable IMO. IUPUI lost to UnO today for Christ's sake...although NDSU is improved they're still mediocre and this was by far USD best win of the season.

[MontanaRabbit]

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True, but this team is not Sweet-16 material. I feel very comfortable saying that after seeing them drop 3 out of 4 to Summit teams.

Today's loss does not bug me too much. USD has a good team. It's tough to beat them in the dome. Doing it without your all-conference senior wing is going to be extremely difficult. They almost pulled it off.

I agree. I felt differt mid-december but the way we've started league play I've realized we seem to be fairly mediocre. I think a 13 seed is topscat this point. Gotta win the Summit tourney. that should be the goal.

[SanDakotaState]

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USD still needs to go to NDSU, IPFW, IUPUI, and SDSU. If SDSU would have won today, it would have been a bonus with Waytasheck not being able to play. It's not like SDSU is getting blown out in any of the loses. SDSU lost to USD on the road by only 4 points. There is no shame in that. There is no need to overreact. The Jacks are fine It is still going to come down to USD and SDSU in Sioux Falls. The regular season championship race will be a little more exciting to watch this year. It should be a fun rest of the season!

[krak-r-jacks]

Re: Jackrabbits @ USD 1/17/15 the early game

There are no bye games at the Summit Tourney. That was a one year anomoly reckified by the return of ORU. When UNO is eligible (next year?) the 9th place team won't even be in SuFu.

SDSU & USD are two evenly matched teams, and SDSU was missing their all-conference player in this away game. Exciting tight game. A couple of breaks, and Jacks were right there to steal an away game. Jacks do need to steal more the remaining 4 away conference games, and continue Frosting teams out in Brookings.

correct. i should have stated you want to put yourself in best position possible to win on saturday and get sunday off.

[jackdaniel]

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I get confused by so many voices coming from the wilderness. First it's "we're a one NCAA Tournament team conference,and all we should be concerned about is the tournament in Sioux Falls , and to change that the Conference has to get better".OK

Next voice comes out from the woods when they beat us, "we can't let these Summit teams get better and start beating us"....OK

I can see the logic of both sides,but it's kind of hard to Post anything without annoying one camp or the other.....

I'm more on Propar80's side this year, because of the high RPI of these teams that we are allowing to beat us and they're not considered good enough to beat us when we are sitting with a much lower RPI.....but our RPI, as well as any recognition in the ranking world (votes) will continue to drop like a rock if this trend continues....putting us more and more down to the level of the teams that are beating us.
I think this is what he's dreading, as am I.We should be able to walk pretty much through Summit competition, even with the extra desire and determination teams are exhibiting to beat us and the familiarity teams from the same conference have with one another.

Take Denver for example, can't beat anyone OOC away or home ,and this and last year reap havoc in conference. It's a sign of how weak the Summit really is. We should beat Summit teams handily it would seem.

One thing though, this schedule is dragging us down a little early with all the road games, and I think the OOC schedule had too many games close together with not enough time to rest and had easy games followed by tough games, that's a recipe for a loss, because you're playing a tough team like your playing a crème puff to start the game.

I think, your more attuned to playing your next game the way you played your previous. That's why USD started on fire against us in the Semi finals last year,they had to play extremely hard the previous game against W, Ill ,and they carried that energy through to our game.We started flat with out a tune up game.

That game set the stage for everyone thinking they can beat us, and we're seeing it this year. We have to reassert our dominance this year, because the old assertion that we are the best in the Summit has been shattered, it's up to us to restore it.

I don't see the Summit representative to the NCAA's getting much of a seed unless it's us with our better OOC wins .No one else has done much of anything OOC. The selection committee does look at who gets the auto bid and what they've done when handing out seeds.

[krak-r-jacks]

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USD still needs to go to NDSU, IPFW, IUPUI, and SDSU. If SDSU would have won today, it would have been a bonus with Waytasheck not being able to play. It's not like SDSU is getting blown out in any of the loses. SDSU lost to USD on the road by only 4 points. There is no shame in that. There is no need to overreact. The Jacks are fine It is still going to come down to USD and SDSU in Sioux Falls. The regular season championship race will be a little more exciting to watch this year. It should be a fun rest of the season!

i'd be surprised if williams and the yotes go on the road trips and drop more than 1 of those games (most likely at frost, but, that game figures to be a real battle).

i really don't see much "overreaction" on the board. i see more constructive criticism than the opposite. everyone likes to see them do well, and we do cheer for the whole team. i do think it's fairly obvious that the one area of concern this team has had, and continues to have, is in the post play. there really hasn't been that consistency since the "jen's" have graduated. i hope they prove me wrong and the gals that are playing keep getting better--- but the past few years and up till now, you just never know what you are going to get.

[Jacked_Up]

Re: Jackrabbits @ USD 1/17/15 the early game

Winning the conference again would be great, of course, and should be a goal. But the only must-win games on the schedule this year are the first, second and third games of the league tourney in March.

[bigticket1]

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I get confused by so many voices coming from the wilderness. First it's "we're a one NCAA Tournament team conference,and all we should be concerned about is the tournament in Sioux Falls , and to change that the Conference has to get better".OK

Next voice comes out from the woods when they beat us, "we can't let these Summit teams get better and start beating us"....OK

I can see the logic of both sides,but it's kind of hard to Post anything without annoying one camp or the other.....

I'm more on Propar80's side this year, because of the high RPI of these teams that we are allowing to beat us and they're not considered good enough to beat us when we are sitting with a much lower RPI.....but our RPI, as well as any recognition in the ranking world (votes) will continue to drop like a rock if this trend continues....putting us more and more down to the level of the teams that are beating us.
I think this is what he's dreading, as am I.We should be able to walk pretty much through Summit competition, even with the extra desire and determination teams are exhibiting to beat us and the familiarity teams from the same conference have with one another.

Take Denver for example, can't beat anyone OOC away or home ,and this and last year reap havoc in conference. It's a sign of how weak the Summit really is. We should beat Summit teams handily it would seem.

One thing though, this schedule is dragging us down a little early with all the road games, and I think the OOC schedule had too many games close together with not enough time to rest and had easy games followed by tough games, that's a recipe for a loss, because you're playing a tough team like your playing a crème puff to start the game.

I think, your more attuned to playing your next game the way you played your previous. That's why USD started on fire against us in the Semi finals last year,they had to play extremely hard the previous game against W, Ill ,and they carried that energy through to our game.We started flat with out a tune up game.

That game set the stage for everyone thinking they can beat us, and we're seeing it this year. We have to reassert our dominance this year, because the old assertion that we are the best in the Summit has been shattered, it's up to us to restore it.

I don't see the Summit representative to the NCAA's getting much of a seed unless it's us with our better OOC wins .No one else has done much of anything OOC. The selection committee does look at who gets the auto bid and what they've done when handing out seeds.

To me , the area where this team is weaker compared to past Jacks teams is lack of consistent scoring from the bench. Last year Young and Stevens came off the bench and could give you some offense. This year the players coming off the bench have been wildly inconsistent in their offense. Now if Boever and Stuart were available , this maybe would be a strength rather than a weakness , and you can't blame the coaching staff for injuries. One more thing - I'm not going to write off that egg the Jacks laid in Sioux Falls as being because of the bye. The NDSU men were in the same boat and laid about a 40 point whupping on Denver in the semis.

[jackdaniel]

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To me , the area where this team is weaker compared to past Jacks teams is lack of consistent scoring from the bench. Last year Young and Stevens came off the bench and could give you some offense. This year the players coming off the bench have been wildly inconsistent in their offense. Now if Boever and Stuart were available , this maybe would be a strength rather than a weakness , and you can't blame the coaching staff for injuries. One more thing - I'm not going to write off that egg the Jacks laid in Sioux Falls as being because of the bye. The NDSU men were in the same boat and laid about a 40 point whupping on Denver in the semis.

They laid an egg for whatever reason then, just my theory I put forth. Agree about the bench play, one (maybe more?... one's all I've noticed?) of our losses we were outscored from the bench. We started the year with 14 players, including one with injury to join the team later, so really 13, Stuart got injured, Severyn redshirted, and last game Waytashek was sick. We only had 10 players for USD, played nine. Usually, Summit teams don't have more depth than we do, USD did however. We get Waytashek back for the next game, that's a very good thing.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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On paper this may be the most talented team that SDSU has ever had. So far, it just hasn't all come together yet on the floor. It's ironic. I thought the women would be the team that had it together and would be crushing teams and the men would still be finding their way. It's the opposite. The women are struggling.

Now, I think that will turn around. USD just seemed to have more desire, more desperation, and took it to the Jacks. SDSU is the team that always has the bulls eye on them because they have dominated the conference for a long time. When the Jacks start playing with that kind of grit and determination they will right the ship just like the men have. That has to be the most frustrating thing for a coaching staff. AJ is a good coach and these women are all winners. They will get there and my bet is they will be playing their best ball come tournament time which is all that matters.

SUPERBUNNY

[coyotecrazie5]

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I was at the game. The refs were terrible both ways. They would get out of bounds calls wrong and seemed like they would miss a foul and call a make-up the next time down. SDSU couldn't make a lay-up and USD missed about 5 easy and-1s. Wish you had your other player that was sick, but thats how it goes. At least she is out only one game. I could argue the men's game would be closer is Flack wasn't hurt all year, but that is part of the game. Miller made some outstanding drive and pull up jumpers that were contested very well. Chyna played terrible, she had about 5 air balls and banked in a very important 3 to keep it close at the end. The tourney should be interesting again this year.

[jackmd]

Re: Jackrabbits @ USD 1/17/15 the early game

Couple quick points and I'll try to shut-up. Jacks have to get better and win games. That's why you play, to win. This team isn't getting it done. There are several reasons and I'm going to point out one that I have had concerns about for awhile.

It great to play a lot of players but sometimes AJ has the wrong personnel in games at the wrong time and that contributes to losses (crazy for me to question AJ I know, so I'm crazy). After Jacks got the 5 point play to go up 10 later in the 2nd half he subbed in 2 players with almost no experience to join 3 players with limited offensive ability and defensive experience. At that point USD made the run that closed it to a 3 point game at the half. That's were the game was lost in my opinion.

Too often I see a group of 5 players on the court with no clear scoring threat and no leadership on defense. I am confident AJ believes that he is developing that depth and sees it differently than I do. I bet he is right and I am wrong. Regardless, this team has to focus on WINNING the next game and then doing the same the rest of the year.

Its a tough loss because the Jacks are better than USD. The Jacks were better last year too.

[da_coach]

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AJ does this alot. Plays people with little experience in close games. It pays off in the end.

Tough loss, credit USD, they have a very good team.

The Jackrabbits will still be the team to beat in the tournament, no matter what their seeding is.

[jackdaniel]

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My little mental therapy quip for the day,and I'll shut up too. I signed up for watching the Jacks play, and end up listening more than watching or typing on TV's live game chat or the game thread because I can't handle bad play I see. That's my problem, I know.

Case in point, someone's got to teach players how to catch a basketball. This one player has way too many pop out of her hands. The final straw (why I'm typing this) was she was all alone for a rebound (pretty open) and it looked like she had her hands spaced too much together to grasp something the size of a basketball and stabbed at the ball and indeed the basketball bounced right off her hands and went out of bounds. That was an important rebound in a close game and she didn't get it because of not knowing fundamentals like grabbing a basketball from both sides in a clamping motion. I don't like singling out one players mistake by name,I don't believe in that, but basic fundamentals like that for the whole team should be corrected, when spotted by the coaching staff. Lots of times the most costly mistakes in a basketball game are caused from poor fundamentals and easily corrected. I think I read the Purdue board too much , lots of angst and feelings of disappointment felt there as they are having a bad season this year. It must be rubbing off onto me a little bit. My apologies.