Oakland Game 2

[jackmd]

Re: Oakland Game 2

Well here is the scoop. Dale and Peterson showed up to the game. A large number of students were waiting in line they tried to run right up to the front. They then stood at the bottom of the stairs and slammed a beer with some friends. Sometime after that the two of them tried to get a frozen coyote head from their locker room to the court to give to their friends. They were caught with the head and were able to go to the game after giving it up. During the game Moss was yelled at by someone from the athletic dept and that is why he put his shirt on. From the sounds of it he could be out for awhile.
Trust me I'm not just rumor mongering here.

I talked to Dale the night of the game. The discussion was brief but he didn't seem intoxicated. Perhaps someone from the athletic department didn't feel a student athlete should be shirtless.

As for the rest, even if it is in part true I'm not sure you want to post something like that under an anonymous name on a public forum. We all make choices.

[zooropa]

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also due to the fact that people know he is too small to finish when he gets there I'm sure.

Do you think that basketball players at this level adopt that attitude toward defense?

"It doesn't matter how I play. Someone else will take care of him for me."

Kampe & Nagy would both bench a player with that attitude.

"When they want to shut someone down they put Johnathon Jones on them and in the second half they put Jones on him (Callahan)."

I've been to three Oakland games---and in all of them, Jones outperformed his teammates, and that's all.

Jones on Callahan means that one or two of Oakland's lousy guards are going to leave Sargent & Wolters wide open.

Sargent dismantled Oakland in the second half last January--when Kangas was 'guarding' him and Jones was on Callahan. All Garrett had to do was feed Clint the ball.

When Jones was on Palarca in the first half he neither forced turnovers (despite the number of passes Palarca made) nor stopped Palarca when he drove to the basket.

[zooropa]

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They then stood at the bottom of the stairs and slammed a beer with some friends.

Right. They carried a beer into the most heavily policed building on campus. Stood in the most public part of the building and 'slammed a beer'

Sometime after that the two of them tried to get a frozen coyote head from their locker room to the court to give to their friends

http://m.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.d...emplate=wapart

The building will be emptied at 3 p.m. today and swept by campus police to ensure that nothing inappropriate - such as dead, frozen animals or carrots - has been stashed.

Trust me I'm not just rumor mongering here.

Someone fed you lines and is either on this board under a name we know laughing their head off, or is lurking and laughing their head off.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Right. They carried a beer into the most heavily policed building on campus. Stood in the most public part of the building and 'slammed a beer'

http://m.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.d...emplate=wapart


Someone fed you lines and is either on this board under a name we know laughing their head off, or is lurking and laughing their head off.

I have no idea whether what he said is true or not, but from what I read, standing at the bottom of the stairs doesn't mean they were drinking beer IN the building.

Also, if they did have a frozen Coyote head I don't think the police would have checked inside player lockers. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Westside is a student so if something did happen, he would have a great view of it.

[jackmd]

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I have no idea whether what he said is true or not, but from what I read, standing at the bottom of the stairs doesn't mean they were drinking beer IN the building.

Also, if they did have a frozen Coyote head I don't think the police would have checked inside player lockers. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Westside is a student so if something did happen, he would have a great view of it.

Keep in mind that westside has made some other posts derogatory to student athletes and coaches that have not been verified. Does that mean they aren't true? No, but it does damage ones credibility.

[zooropa]

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I have no idea whether what he said is true or not, but from what I read, standing at the bottom of the stairs doesn't mean they were drinking beer IN the building.

Also, if they did have a frozen Coyote head I don't think the police would have checked inside player lockers. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Westside is a student so if something did happen, he would have a great view of it.

You mean the stairs outside the stadium in the south corners?

I can't believe that campus police wasn't out there as well as present in the stadium. ESPECIALLY considering the section thrown objects and obscene shirts were most likely to be found.

Further, consider that Moss could be charged a fine or cited for a misdemeanor for any of three different things at that game (coyote head, drinking on campus, and creating a ruckus in the line), and subjected to academic discipline for two of them (drinking on campus and the coyote head).

Yet Nagy avers that they were being disciplined for 'minor' infractions, and that Moss saw playing time indicated that they were minor.

Furthermore, WILLIAMS was out of the starting lineup along with Moss. What, according to WSR, did he do?

[jackrabbit1979]

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Do you think that basketball players at this level adopt that attitude toward defense?

"It doesn't matter how I play. Someone else will take care of him for me."

Kampe & Nagy would both bench a player with that attitude.

I would think most often defensive perimeter players are instructed to take away one of two things: the drive or the outside shot. With skilled players like Clint or J. Jones this is hard because they can shoot it or drive and score. With Palarca, they can play up tighter on him to take away the shot because if he does get in the lane his size isn't going to allow him to finish as effectively even if the help rotates over late. I wouldn't say it is adopting a "pass the buck" attitude as much as it is playing smart TEAM defense, but thanks for putting those words in my mouth. I'm not trying to slam Palarca at all, he brings some great things to our team and he is one of my favorite players, but this seems to be how teams defend him. How many times this year have you seen him get into the lane and then just dribble out the other side?

Once again, you have proved your incessant need for winning every argument known to man.

[zooropa]

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With Palarca, they can play up tighter on him

Yeah.

Except that Palarca got past Jones before setting up the offense. Jones wasn't guarding him tight to take away the perimeter or guarding him loose to take away the lane.

He wasn't guarding him at all. He was just standing there with his hands in his pockets, so to speak.

BTW: You do realize that it takes -two- to argue right?

[jackrabbit1979]

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Yeah.

Except that Palarca got past Jones before setting up the offense. Jones wasn't guarding him tight to take away the perimeter or guarding him loose to take away the lane.

He wasn't guarding him at all. He was just standing there with his hands in his pockets, so to speak.

And yet being "unguarded" for a whole half, Palarca only had 5 points and 0 assists. Makes sense.

BTW: You do realize that it takes -two- to argue right?

Yep, I do realize that. And that is why most members here just stop posting after conversing with you in various threads...because it's the only way you will ever stop. With that said...I'm done. I hope that makes you feel like you won.

[zooropa]

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And yet being "unguarded" for a whole half, Palarca only had 5 points and 0 assists. Makes sense.

He wasn't unguarded for the entire half. But Jones did a lousy job picking him up in transition. And he did a lousy job with transition defense in the first half of the Jacks last game against them as well--and he dozed off plenty in the second half as well.

BTW: You have any way of substantiating that 'most' gibe in your post?

[TeaJackrabbit]

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You mean the stairs outside the stadium in the south corners?

I can't believe that campus police wasn't out there as well as present in the stadium. ESPECIALLY considering the section thrown objects and obscene shirts were most likely to be found.

Further, consider that Moss could be charged a fine or cited for a misdemeanor for any of three different things at that game (coyote head, drinking on campus, and creating a ruckus in the line), and subjected to academic discipline for two of them (drinking on campus and the coyote head).

Yet Nagy avers that they were being disciplined for 'minor' infractions, and that Moss saw playing time indicated that they were minor.

Furthermore, WILLIAMS was out of the starting lineup along with Moss. What, according to WSR, did he do?

I'll find out what happened here soon, straight from the horses mouth. I'm not saying any of this did or didn't happen, but you would think the drinking part alone would be enough to leave Dale home from the current road trip. We'll see...

[SturgisJeff]

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Why guard Palarca tight when he is not known as a shooter. Most teams know he is going to drive and dish back out. When he does shoot it pretty much surprises the other team. Jones is more concerned with his offensive numbers more so his defense. He made a bonehead play, think it was a turnover on the dribble and it looked like Kampe was going to carve a canyon in his head, no hair to pull cause he cut it. He then pulled Jones out and tongue lashed him good. the freshman Eakles who appears to be Jones hier apparant could not guard Palarca at all. Eakles does do a pretty good dive on the screens.

[zooropa]

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Eakles does do a pretty good dive on the screens.

If you meant 'dive', you got that right.

I started calling him "Fake-les" in Frost. Once he tried to parlay his reach-in foul into a pushing foul on one of the SDSU guards, and he threw himself down on his keister right in the middle of the play, arms flailing away--I swear he was trying to sell that foul to the back row of the stands. Ref didn't buy it, even though he sat there for a second or two with his hands up in the air and the classic, "how could you not call that?" look on his face.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Why guard Palarca tight when he is not known as a shooter. Most teams know he is going to drive and dish back out. When he does shoot it pretty much surprises the other team. Jones is more concerned with his offensive numbers more so his defense. He made a bonehead play, think it was a turnover on the dribble and it looked like Kampe was going to carve a canyon in his head, no hair to pull cause he cut it. He then pulled Jones out and tongue lashed him good. the freshman Eakles who appears to be Jones hier apparant could not guard Palarca at all. Eakles does do a pretty good dive on the screens.

True. I would sag off Mike the way USD did on Michelsen. Same goes for Nate at this point...which is why Nate needs to really develop an outside shot this summer. When Nate hit those three three-pointers a few games ago I thought it was huge. Too bad he hasn't hit three total since then. He has a weird looking outside shot, a weird/low release, but if he can shoot at least decent w/ his ability to get to the rack he's gonna be unstoppable.

Gonna be hard to replace JJ, not to mention Benson and even Nelson.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Well here is the scoop. Dale and Peterson showed up to the game. A large number of students were waiting in line they tried to run right up to the front. They then stood at the bottom of the stairs and slammed a beer with some friends. Sometime after that the two of them tried to get a frozen coyote head from their locker room to the court to give to their friends. They were caught with the head and were able to go to the game after giving it up. During the game Moss was yelled at by someone from the athletic dept and that is why he put his shirt on. From the sounds of it he could be out for awhile.
Trust me I'm not just rumor mongering here.

Can you tell me where you heard this?

I would just suggest, in the future, you do not spread rumors like this unless you are 100% sure. It's not at all fair to the kids.

I heard, from the kid who is actually in question here, that said player was a few minutes late to the bus, therefore the punishment. I think I said earlier on here that it must be something pretty trivial if Nagy let him play the next game.