NDSU Day

[thumper_76]

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Edited: thumper 76: I'm taking out your post. I've banned CCdeville. You wrote about what I was thinking but I think the ban is sufficient. JackJD

[MontanaRabbit]

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Mods, How much longer do we have to put up with this garbage?

Not long

[jackmd]

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I think something lacking here in this match-up talk is coaching. It seems Phillips has been out coaching Nagy the past few games. Which helps make up for some of NDSUs deficiencies. I do not mean this as smack at all, but take Kai Williams for example. He is not a very good defender and in all honesty he plays weak at times. Again, not smack. Just an observation. Our game plan at least the past two games has been to go right at him with Eric Carlson. Carlson is a tough, blue collar type player. The game up in Fargo we got the ball right to Carlson, he scored our first 6 points of that game as we got off on a great start. Down in Brookings once again we got off to a great start. Carlson was our leading scorer with 24. Just thought I'd point that out. I think you guys had the game won. All you had to do was foul before our threes came, Nagy decided not to, which came back to bite.

It sure seemed like Saul did a better job coaching his offense the last 5 minutes of the game. That said, execution does have a lot to do with it and I hesitate to say he outcoached Nagy. I really think Saul calls better sets, especially when inbounding the ball. NDSU either got an easy bucket or free throws of inbounds plays. We usually just chuck it out top and try to restart an offense that has almost no inside game at all.

[Roy]

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I was really ticked with the Men's effort at the end of the game until I saw how dejected they were at the press conference. That loss really did hurt!

I don't see how we could play anyone but the Bison in the first round of the tournament. It looks like we have the same 4 teams to play and the same home-away matchups that they have. It will be hard for either of us to seperate enough to avoid being the #4 & #5 seeds, or the #5 & #4 seeds.

[hoops_guy]

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Pretty hard to judge game planning when the players don't execute.

Getting the players to execute is part of coaching.

[zooropa]

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Getting the players to execute is part of coaching.

Which is why I specifically said "game planning" not "coaching"

[ringthebells]

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Is executing players part of coaching? If so, do they have to be your own players?

[hoops_guy]

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Which is why I specifically said "game planning" not "coaching"

I'm not trying to be contentious, but the coaches also put the game plan together. To think the different aspects of coaching can be compartmentalized in order to diminish responsibility in certain areas is wrong.

Regardless, the Jacks can still finish strong and probably end up with the #4 seed and very possibly face the Bison in the opening round.

[zooropa]

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To think the different aspects of coaching can be compartmentalized in order to diminish responsibility in certain areas is wrong.

I think that it's pointless to say the 'coaching was bad' as it's similar to saying 'the weather's bad'--is it bad because it's too hot? too cold? too windy? too wet? too humid? too dry?

Generalizing where specifics can be isolated isn't helpful.

In this case, I think it's impossible to judge the quality of Nagy's game plan because the players couldn't make a shot to save their lives early on.

You can, I think, legitimately question Nagy's ability to mentally prepare these kids to beat a team that they'd lost to 7 games in a row.

But as far as watching film goes, breaking down NDSU's weaknesses, etc., that's a whole other aspect of game preparation.

[hoops_guy]

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I think that it's pointless to say the 'coaching was bad' as it's similar to saying 'the weather's bad'--is it bad because it's too hot? too cold? too windy? too wet? too humid? too dry?

Generalizing where specifics can be isolated isn't helpful.

In this case, I think it's impossible to judge the quality of Nagy's game plan because the players couldn't make a shot to save their lives early on.

You can, I think, legitimately question Nagy's ability to mentally prepare these kids to beat a team that they'd lost to 7 games in a row.

But as far as watching film goes, breaking down NDSU's weaknesses, etc., that's a whole other aspect of game preparation.

I'm not going to argue. The bottom line is game plans are just that, "Plans". To sit there and say, "we had a great game plan, but the guys didn't make enough shots." is unacceptable. Plans then need to be adapted to find easier shots. Saturday, we made enough shots to win the game, but we didn't get enough stops.

To clarify, I NEVER said the coaching was bad. The current coach has always found a way to make clear the schedule, the players, the injuries, the competition, have always been what has contributed to any lack of success, but that's about it.

I do respect your opinion and I actually have some legitimacy to mine.

Have a good one and I think we both agree we want to see the Jacks continue to get better.

[zooropa]

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Plans then need to be adapted to find easier shots.

And, arguably, either the game plan was adjusted or the players got settled down, as the Jacks definitely closed the gap in the 2nd half.

[hoops_guy]

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And, arguably, either the game plan was adjusted or the players got settled down, as the Jacks definitely closed the gap in the 2nd half.

You are correct.

[91jack]

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I think the officiating had a lot to do with the final result. I know the officials sucked both ways but it was tough to figure out what the officials were doing.
Griffan didn't play very smart. He had a couple ticky tack fouls early. He fouled out after only playing 12 minutes. He just came off probably the best game of his career and he fouled out that quickly.
Dale Moss got some strange calls(in my opinion). On 1 end, they called him for a charge and then on the other end, it was a block. I know he's and aggressive player but if any player got screwed, it was him. He only played 23 minutes but he had 8 rebounds in that time. He really could have helped out when both Callahans fouled out.
Garrett played 27 minutes. I don't know if he was tired when he made his last foul but it was a foolish play. To foul out after playing 3/4 of the game isn't too bad.
NDSU had 3 guys foul out, too. There's come late in the game. I don't remember too much about that but they played good.
Zastrow was on hitting his shot in the 26 minutes he played. He was the guy that really hurt SDSU in this game.
Vaughan played 45 minutes. Somebody that plays that much has earned his 5 fouls. He had to be tired but he was in there long enough to make sure the game was over.
Sussanguth played 29 minutes. Garrett, Zastrow and him all played about 3/4 of the game. For a big man to play that much is respectable. I guess SDSU didn't really have much of a big man out there to bang with him.

[ndsubison1]

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It's looking more and more like we will meet up again in the first round. To be honest, you guys are the last team I would want to face in Sioux Falls.

[zooropa]

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I'm thinking SDSU has a decent shot at Oakland on Thursday. Not better than even, but decent.

I think this Oakland game is likely to be much better officiated than the previous game, and I think that plays to SDSU's depth. I think SDSU shot themselves in the foot when they didn't extend their first half lead, and I think the refs finished the job off by a whole series of ticky-tack fouls in the middle of the second half that gave Oakland time to get their second wind.

That could differentiate NDSU & SDSU.