Nagy is a great coach!

[89rabbit]

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Something that Jackmd wrote always comes to mind when I read one of SF_Rabbit_Fan's anti-Nagy posts.

Here is what I am understanding when I read what SF_Rabbit has to say.

#1 Andy Kleinjan might be the most talented player ever on the roster at SDSU. His numbers and game performance don't reflect that because Nagy and his coaching staff have misused him.

#2 Coach Nagy is too hard on his players. Kids these days don't want to hear about areas of their game that need to improve. . . .

As the good Doctor went on to say he respects SF's right to have such opinions (as do I) even if we don't agree with them.


Go State! ;D

[89rabbit]

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Coach Nagy has my 100% unwaivering support.
Coach Larsen has my 100% unwaivering support
Dr. Oien has my 100% unwaivering support

++++++

[90Jackrabbit]

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Everybody hold your fire and take a little bit of time to cool down. Coach Nagy has had a total of two, yes count them two recruiting classes in DI, and guess what only one of those classes has seen any playing time yet. Give Nagy a chance to recruit a full DI roster! To answer the question why we are red shirting all of our Freshman remember what our critics were asking 2 1/2 years ago: "How can you recruit DI athletes to Brookings SD when you are not in a conference and are not playoff eligible?" The answer was that SDSU would be using the red shirt process to give these kids a chance to compete for at least a year or two after our transition period when we will be playoff eligible and hopefully in a conference.

As for NDSU being ahead of us in recruiting, I think the Bison might be in one of those special situations you see every so often in college athletics. Every so often you recruit a special athlete that not only carries the team but also makes everyone around them better. Ben Woodside could be that type of player the same way Jason Sempsrott was for the Jacks 10 years ago. These special athletes often have a profound impact on a program by rekindling alumni and fan support, and raising the awareness of that team regionally and even nationally (Bison Badgers game), making recruiting somewhat easier. The Jacks have had those impact players in the past and will again in the future. Who knows maybe we have that type of impact player on our current roster, maybe Holdren, maybe Cadwell?

Yes I was teribley saddened and angered by the circumstances of this past week, but give it some time for justice to be served and questions to be answered. I have full faith in Coach Nagy, give him time and we will get past this.

[90Jackrabbit]

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SF_Rabbit_Fan wrote:

90% of the posters on this board know little more than what they hear on the radio, post game show, and alumni gatherings. Most have been to a handful of games at best. I'm sure they know what is really going on. I gaurantee that I have a bit more insight than that (remember I was 1 of 2 posters telling others not to gloat after the USD party incident). What flavor is that Kool-Aid the athletic department is serving?

I kind of fit that description, so I would like to take this opportunity to let Fred Oien know that next time he is mixing up that batch of hallucinogenic Kool-Aid I prefer cherry, grape is fine also but it leaves my lips and tongue purple. I'll sleep better tonight kowing SF_Rabbit _Fan is out there keeping the rest of us straight.

[Jacks99]

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I think Nagy is a good coach and is great with the right mix of guys. Right now he doesn't have them. Knowing some of the past players I saw how he tore them down and didn't exactly build them up.

You can't yell contantly at the pure shooters and expect them to perform, it degrades them and strips them of their confidence.

I heard something that supported what I have seen before. Basically Nagy told Kleinjan in an early practice that he wasn't going to be a shooter on the team. Take that for what it's worth, but notice when Andy does take a shot, Nagy yanks him from the game.

Again, I think he's a good and can be a great coach, and think he should get another 3-4 years in DI to see if he can adapt. I'm not one that likes to yank coaches in any sport at any level after just a few bad seasons. Glad to see a program that gave a coach 14+ years was rewarded yesterday.

[SDSUFAN]

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I think Nagy is a good coach and is great with the right mix of guys.  Right now he doesn't have them.  Knowing some of the past players I saw how he tore them down and didn't exactly build them up.

You can't yell contantly at the pure shooters and expect them to perform, it degrades them and strips them of their confidence.

I heard something that supported what I have seen before.  Basically Nagy told Kleinjan in an early practice that he wasn't going to be a shooter on the team.  Take that for what it's worth, but notice when Andy does take a shot, Nagy yanks him from the game.

Again, I think he's a good and can be a great coach, and think he should get another 3-4 years in DI to see if he can adapt.  I'm not one that likes to yank coaches in any sport at any level after just a few bad seasons.  Glad to see a program that gave a coach 14+ years was rewarded yesterday.

Quality recruits, that answers all. Its time to start putting some pressure on the guys who sits to the right of Nagy during the game. My concern is: Has all of the bases been covered in trying to find quality recruits or are we trying to fill a roster that would fit at Morningside College? ???

[89rabbit]

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Andy seems to be coming up a lot in on our posts about Coach Nagy.  I thought it might help if we posted Andy's Stats.

http://www3.sdstate.edu/Athletics/Va...tics/Index.cfm

So far this year he is Avg. 14.7 min per game (7th highest on the team and started 8 of our 19 games so far - this is the first season that Andy has started any games) , 2.3 pts per game, 1.2 rebs. per game, .5 assts, .6 TO, FG% .264, FT% .796, 3P% .259.


The season before playing against a mix of D-I and D-II schools and vying with Luke Geiver and Brady Hokenson and the like for playing time this is what it looked like.

Andy Avg. 19.3 min per game, 5.8 pts per game, 1.4 rebs. per game, 1.2 assts, 1.5 TO, FG% .403, FT% .636, 3P% .286

The season before that playing just D-II schools here are Andy's stats.

Andy Avg. 7.0 min per game, 2.0 pts per game, 0.4 rebs. per game, 0.24 assts, 0.28 TO, FG% .455, FT% .500, 3P% .333



Go State!  ;D

[SDSUFAN]

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Andy seems to be coming up a lot in on our posts about Coach Nagy.  I thought it might help if we posted Andy's Stats.

http://www3.sdstate.edu/Athletics/Va...tics/Index.cfm

So far this year he is Avg. 14.7 min per game (7th highest on the team and started 8 of our 19 games so far - this is the first season that Andy has started any games) , 2.3 pts per game, 1.2 rebs. per game, .5 assts, .6 TO, FG% .264, FT% .796, 3P% .259.


The season before playing against a mix of D-I and D-II schools and vying with Luke Geiver and Brady Hokenson and the like for playing time this is what it looked like.

Andy Avg. 19.3 min per game, 5.8 pts per game, 1.4 rebs. per game, 1.2 assts, 1.5 TO, FG% .403, FT% .636, 3P% .286

The season before that playing just D-II schools here are Andy's stats.

Andy Avg. 7.0 min per game, 2.0 pts per game, 0.4 rebs. per game, 0.24 assts, 0.28 TO, FG% .455, FT% .500, 3P% .333



Go State!  ;D

So what are you saying? Should he have left the team another victim of brow beating? Nope Andy has hung in their despite certain people who would like to see him quit. He is no worse or no better than the people Larson has presented for recruiting choices.

[89rabbit]

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I'm not saying anything.  All I am asking is that those who seem to want to judge the whole program based on the way that they perceive that Andy has been delt with, need to understand the reality of his talents.  I have always liked Andy and am glad he is on the team, however it became clear to me long ago that Andy was not going to set the scoring record at State.  That of course is ok, you don't have to be a super star to be a good contributor to the program.

Go Andy!
Go Coach Nagy!
Go State!  ;D

[Jacks99]

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I'd like to see his stats from HS. I hear he was a good shooter, maybe I'm off.... Since the comments came from his family, I assumed it was credible. Just want people to lay off him for not shooting as it may be that the coach has handcuffed him.

I don't think anyone can say they haven't seen Nagy harp on the players for taking shots that to us didn't seem that bad.

Anyway, not here to Nagy bash, just pointing out that he may not have the right guys for his coaching style.

[Jacks99]

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On a side note, I know that AJ has been looking at his younger sister.

[JH81]

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I say get rid of everyone on in the athletic department (coaches, Fred, other support staff) and lets start this transition with completely new bodies. That way no one has to say "Well so-and-so did this when we were DII, why can't they do it now". Seems like a simple solution for everyone that's not satisfied where some of our programs or funding are at.

We're getting a new president, so why not start fresh in athletics too. While we're at it, any athlete currently under scholarship should be cut loose and re-recruited by the new coaches just to make it fair. Seems logical to me.

Any takers? We could start a petition today.

[Charger13]

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I think Nagy and Company have done a good job with recruiting. Cadwell is a stud, and so is Holdren. Beran is also a great player if he could only find himself again. We have had some unfortunate events the last couple of years, but there have still been some bright spots. Think of how hard it is to get a recruit to come to South Dakota to play for a team that is not in a conference, nor eligible for post season play. This process is going to take time. Also I have heard first hand from people that know the two accused athletes that they are great guys. So what if Berte lost his cool in practice, have none of you ever lost your cool in an intense situation. Gilbert was even described by one professor on campus as "a biggot's worst nightmare". Ofcourse when they are charged with something as serious as sexual assault, people will find something bad to say about them. I say we all hold our judgement until we learn more about what happened on the 15th. I don't know the truth, but I'm not ready to write them off just yet.

[Jacks99]

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Everyone does lose their cool. It's when and how you do it. I'm not going to cite 2nd hand specifics, as that isn't right, but also this "incident" makes me wonder about discipline issues.

[jackmd]

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90% of the posters on this board know little more than what they hear on the radio, post game show, and alumni gatherings.  Most have been to a handful of games at best.  I'm sure they know what is really going on. :  I gaurantee that I have a bit more insight than that (remember I was 1 of 2 posters telling others not to gloat after the USD party incident).  What flavor is that Kool-Aid the athletic department is serving?

As for the high school situation in Sioux Falls, you can't justify poor behavior by pointing to other poor behavior.  Thats a pretty weak argument, often used by grade schoolers.  Those student athletes had to deal with the consequences of their poor behavior.  Coach Tibbetts had to deal with the consequences of his personal behavior, too (unlike SDSU's athletic director).

It seems like most posters want to blame everyone except the person in charge.  At what point can fans start questioning the leadership?

You say if the wrong choice is made, deal with the consequences.  I couldn't agree more.  

Posts like this are crap. You're privy to some information before the rest of us so you lead us on hoping to gather some ammo for your retort when the info is made public. You then well-up with pride at how we all got "burned". Its petty.

I suggest you sit down with Fred and Coach Nagy and scold them like you do here. Then, suggest what you think is right and offer to be accountable for the results.

Why is it acceptable for you to criticize the personalities of Coach Nagy and Dr. Oien but not acceptable for others to be critical of Andy's play on the court? No one is critical of Andy as a person.

I'm not expecting anything different from SF_Rabbit but be aware that your game is an old and ineffective one.

Grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
the courage to change the things I can;
and the wisdom to know the difference.