Nagy is a great coach!

[JBNJBQ]

Nagy is a great coach!

He usually figures out how to win with the players he has. Example is: a win with only 8 players including just 1 forward and just 1 center. What does he do? He recruits 4 football players to help the team (which they did). Who would have thought of that as an option?
Way to go coach!

Contrary to what some people think,

he is not responsible for:

1. SDSU's decision to DI, which cost the team Andy Moeller.

2. Matt Jones becoming ill and unable to play any more.

3. Steve Holdren's season ending injury.

4. What his players do at 2am in the morning(unless they are on the road at an away game).

5. Homer refs on the road which cost the team at least two games this year.


We are very lucky to have him as a coach! He and his staff have represented the university very well and every year will get better and better under his guidence.

Thanks coach Nagy!


JBNJBQ

[SDSUFAN]

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I never nor am I now questioning our head coach. The questions are elsewhere and I am not about to go into detail. :-X

If really want to know I will talk off the board about these questions.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Nagy is a great coach!

Nagy is a great coach!

He usually figures out how to win with the players he has. Example is: a win with only 8 players including just 1 forward and just 1 center. What does he do? He recruits 4 football players to help the team (which they did). Who would have thought of that as an option?
Way to go coach!

Contrary to what some people think,

he is not responsible for:

1.  SDSU's decision to DI, which cost the team Andy Moeller.

2.  Matt Jones becoming ill and unable to play any more.

3.  Steve Holdren's season ending injury.

4.  What his players do at 2am in the morning(unless they are on the road at an away game).

5.  Homer refs on the road which cost the team at least two games this year.


We are very lucky to have him as a coach!  He and his staff have represented the university very well and every year will get better and better under his guidence.

Thanks coach Nagy!


JBNJBQ

 

I spent a day on the road to Kansas City and back for work this week, and the more I thought about things, the angrier I got. I’ve taken a day to cool down a bit, and I hope I can make a coherent post without getting it taken off the board.

I’m probably taking the bait set by JBJBQ, but here it goes anyway.

I think it is 100% true that Coach Nagy has amassed an amazing record in his time at SDSU. I have enjoyed watching most of his teams, and was in the stands for almost all the wins and losses. I haven’t been to the last few games, and I’m not sure when I will return.

For me the questions are about off-court behavior and the consequences of that behavior. In his tenure at SDSU there have been numerous instances of inappropriate behavior by his players.

How can he demand so much of his players on the court, and so little once they leave the gym? >

1-I don’t know Andy Moeller, but I find it difficult to believe that coaching had nothing to do with him transferring. Especially since he went to a former assistant’s program, and Andy had a lot of confrontations with Coach Nagy.

2-I don’t know Matt Jones, but if he truly loved playing basketball for the Jacks so much he could have stayed on to contribute at least a few minutes a game. Especially since he continued to play amateur baseball in South Dakota heat after the worst of his illness passed.

3-Steve Holdren’s injury was very unfortunate. But the coaching staff’s handling of the team since then has only magnified their lack of preparation for unforeseen circumstances.

4-Players engaging in questionable behavior should be disciplined immediately. Take away the criminal aspect of the recent accusations, and it is still conduct detrimental to the team. They shouldn’t be disciplined 6 weeks after the incident occurred, or several weeks after the Coach Nagy found out about it. In the most recent incident, they were only disciplined after the public was made aware through court documents. How many other cases of poor behavior have been swept under the rug? There has been a recurring pattern of bad behavior by Jackrabbit players: numerous underage consumptions, first degree robbery, marijuana possessions, and now this (which is not the first off-court problems at SDSU for the players involved, whether you read about it in the papers or not).

5-Officiating, no matter how poor, is a part of the game. It needs to be overcome, regardless of whether your team is Division I or junior high.

President Truman had a sign on his desk reading “The buck stops here.” Where does the buck stop at SDSU? If Coach Nagy is not responsible for the men’s basketball team, who is? >

One of Coach Nagy’s post game comments from a couple games ago made me throw up my hands. He said something like, “I’m just glad we could stop yelling at the guys to get them motivated, and start yelling at them for making mistakes.” Wow!! Coach Nagy really is a great coach!

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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I spent a day on the road to Kansas City and back for work this week, and the more I thought about things, the angrier I got.  I’ve taken a day to cool down a bit, and I hope I can make a coherent post without getting it taken off the board.

I’m probably taking the bait set by JBJBQ, but here it goes anyway.

I think it is 100% true that Coach Nagy has amassed an amazing record in his time at SDSU.  I have enjoyed watching most of his teams, and was in the stands for almost all the wins and losses.  I haven’t been to the last few games, and I’m not sure when I will return.

For me the questions are about off-court behavior and the consequences of that behavior.  In his tenure at SDSU there have been numerous instances of inappropriate behavior by his players.

How can he demand so much of his players on the court, and so little once they leave the gym? >

1-I don’t know Andy Moeller, but I find it difficult to believe that coaching had nothing to do with him transferring.  Especially since he went to a former assistant’s program, and Andy had a lot of confrontations with Coach Nagy.

2-I don’t know Matt Jones, but if he truly loved playing basketball for the Jacks so much he could have stayed on to contribute at least a few minutes a game.  Especially since he continued to play amateur baseball in South Dakota heat after the worst of his illness passed.

3-Steve Holdren’s injury was very unfortunate.  But the coaching staff’s handling of the team since then has only magnified their lack of preparation for unforeseen circumstances.

4-Players engaging in questionable behavior should be disciplined immediately. Take away the criminal aspect of the recent accusations, and it is still conduct detrimental to the team.  They shouldn’t be disciplined 6 weeks after the incident occurred, or several weeks after the Coach Nagy found out about it.  In the most recent incident, they were only disciplined after the public was made aware through court documents.  How many other cases of poor behavior have been swept under the rug?  There has been a recurring pattern of bad behavior by Jackrabbit players:  numerous underage consumptions, first degree robbery, marijuana possessions, and now this (which is not the first off-court problems at SDSU for the players involved, whether you read about it in the papers or not).

5-Officiating, no matter how poor, is a part of the game.  It needs to be overcome, regardless of whether your team is Division I or junior high.

President Truman had a sign on his desk reading “The buck stops here.”  Where does the buck stop at SDSU?  If Coach Nagy is not responsible for the men’s basketball team, who is? >

One of Coach Nagy’s post game comments from a couple games ago made me throw up my hands.  He said something like, “I’m just glad we could stop yelling at the guys to get them motivated, and start yelling at them for making mistakes.”  Wow!!  Coach Nagy really is a great coach!

1. We all know Andy had chip on his shoulder and didn't respond the best to Nagy's coaching.  Matt M. recruited him and was often "built up" Andy after Nagy ripped into him.  As to him tranferring, it was his choice.  He wanted the chance to play for a D2 nat'l championship and obviously couldn't do that at SDSU.

2.  Maybe you were living under a rock, but Matt Jones did return at the end of the year in an attempt to contribute to the team.  I'm not sure where you get off questioning his dedication and desire?  Doesn't make any sense to me.  After all, you don't know him.  Playing 9 innings of baseball and 2 minutes of basketball are two totally different things.

3.  Faulting the coaching staff for being unprepared for an injury?  What's up with that?  In case you didn't look at this year's roster, it was pretty thin.  There is no way to prepare for your best player going down.

4.  The temporary protection ordered wasn't granted until Jan 25.  So I'm not sure where your pulling the 6 weeks from?  It's my understanding that the adminstration put out the press release about the players being suspended.  There's also something pretty neat about living in the United States, it's called due process.  No doubt that basketball players have been in trouble before and will continue to do so in the future.  But guess what, it's not just basketball players, it's football players, it's baseball players, it's, it's, it's young immature kids.

5.  Can't argue with you on officiating, as Nagy has said, it's just something you have to deal with and overcome.

Maybe you should have taken a few more days to calm down.  I gotta say, your post in ridiculas.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Nagy is a great coach!

1. We all know Andy had chip on his shoulder and didn't respond the best to Nagy's coaching.  Matt M. recruited him and was often "built up" Andy after Nagy ripped into him.  As to him tranferring, it was his choice.  He wanted the chance to play for a D2 nat'l championship and obviously couldn't do that at SDSU.

2.  Maybe you were living under a rock, but Matt Jones did return at the end of the year in an attempt to contribute to the team.  I'm not sure where you get off questioning his dedication and desire?  Doesn't make any sense to me.  After all, you don't know him.  Playing 9 innings of baseball and 2 minutes of basketball are two totally different things.

3.  Faulting the coaching staff for being unprepared for an injury?  What's up with that?  In case you didn't look at this year's roster, it was pretty thin.  There is no way to prepare for your best player going down.

4.  The temporary protection ordered wasn't granted until Jan 25.  So I'm not sure where your pulling the 6 weeks from?  It's my understanding that the adminstration put out the press release about the players being suspended.  There's also something pretty neat about living in the United States, it's called due process.  No doubt that basketball players have been in trouble before and will continue to do so in the future.  But guess what, it's not just basketball players, it's football players, it's baseball players, it's, it's, it's young immature kids.

5.  Can't argue with you on officiating, as Nagy has said, it's just something you have to deal with and overcome.

Maybe you should have taken a few more days to calm down.  I gotta say, your post in ridiculas.

Valid points, but I think they make my argument stronger, not weaker.

I can't argue with your Andy/Matt comments because like I said I don't know them. Andy did seem to have a bit of a chip, but he always played hard regardless. All I can say is Matt semed to play quite well in the games he did return for, and he was back for preseason workouts the following year before leaving.

I didn't know the temp order came out on Jan 25. Now I'm even more disgusted. Why were the players allowed to play in 2 more games before being suspended? If the 25th was when the situation was discovered (which it wasn't), they should have been suspended then.

[gojacksgo]

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You're only argument that makes sense is the one regarding the off-the-court problems within the last month.

Moeller left to try to win a championship in D2. Maybe SDSU should have stayed D2 that final year so he could have finished his career there, setting the D1 transition back a year just for one player.....

Jones had an illness, and would have seen limited playing time because of his endurance.  He chose another route - nothing Nagy could do about it.  If Jones woudl have wanted/could have played, Nagy would have let him.  

Injuries do happen, but even with Holdren, the team was thin.  When the best player off of a medicore team goes down, there is not much you can do to get the team back to the same level.  Can you name anything that could have been done? I can't.

Not sure that Nagy has ever come out and gave an excuse about officiating losing the game.  He has accepted responsibility on a number of occasions.  

As far as when the protection order came out, and why they played - I'm not sure, but I too would have thought they should be suspended at that time, if that is case.  This is the only part of your argument I agree with.

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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For some reason, Jan 25 is the date that stands out in my mind. If that was the case then I don't think it's realistic to expect the coaches/players to have any idea of what happened in a court proceeding in Brookings while they're on the road in Utah. I suspect, that as soon as they returned home the appropriate actions were taken and the players were removed from the team pending an investigation.

[JACKGUYII]

Re: Nagy is a great coach!

You're only argument that makes sense is the one regarding the off-the-court problems within the last month.

Moeller left to try to win a championship in D2.  Maybe SDSU should have stayed D2 that final year so he could have finished his career there, setting the D1 transition back a year just for one player.....

Jones had an illness, and would have seen limited playing time because of his endurance.  He chose another route - nothing Nagy could do about it.  If Jones woudl have wanted/could have played, Nagy would have let him.  

Injuries do happen, but even with Holdren, the team was thin.  When the best player off of a medicore team goes down, there is not much you can do to get the team back to the same level.  Can you name anything that could have been done?  I can't.

Not sure that Nagy has ever come out and gave an excuse about officiating losing the game.  He has accepted responsibility on a number of occasions.  

As far as when the protection order came out, and why they played - I'm not sure, but I too would have thought they should be suspended at that time, if that is case.  This is the only part of your argument I agree with.

Moeller did not leave to win a DII championship. He was gone regardless!

[1bunnies]

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It's obvious to me that SF-Rabbit-Fan is not very close to the program, meaning that they do not personally know the coaches or players very well. I am guessing the SF stands for Sioux Falls. If you want to question the behavior of young men, look at the high school athletes in your own community. It happens at all levels. Is it right. No, but it happens. It all starts with teaching young people about making good choices. If the wrong choice is made, deal with the consequences. I will take a 1000 Scott Nagys over F. Tibbetts any day.

[JACKGUYII]

Re: Nagy is a great coach!

It's obvious to me that SF-Rabbit-Fan is not very close to the program, meaning that they do not personally know the coaches or players very well. I am guessing the SF stands for Sioux Falls. If you want to question the behavior of young men, look at the high school athletes in your own community. It happens at all levels. Is it right. No, but it happens. It all starts with teaching young people about making good choices. If the wrong choice is made, deal with the consequences. I will take a 1000 Scott Nagys over F. Tibbetts any day.

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[Jacked_Up]

Re: Nagy is a great coach!

Nagy is an excellent coach and the right guy for SDSU. He could be faulted for entering last season (and maybe this season) with an under-manned team, but he has a plan for the future. Proportionately his teams' off court problems probably are no better or worse than the overall student body. Keeping a bunch of growing, energetic 20-year-olds on the road to good citizenship has got to be one of the toughest jobs in the world. Nagy has a history of good resullts, on and off the court. He'll produce again.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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It's obvious to me that SF-Rabbit-Fan is not very close to the program, meaning that they do not personally know the coaches or players very well. I am guessing the SF stands for Sioux Falls. If you want to question the behavior of young men, look at the high school athletes in your own community. It happens at all levels. Is it right. No, but it happens. It all starts with teaching young people about making good choices. If the wrong choice is made, deal with the consequences. I will take a 1000 Scott Nagys over F. Tibbetts any day.

90% of the posters on this board know little more than what they hear on the radio, post game show, and alumni gatherings. Most have been to a handful of games at best. I'm sure they know what is really going on. : I gaurantee that I have a bit more insight than that (remember I was 1 of 2 posters telling others not to gloat after the USD party incident). What flavor is that Kool-Aid the athletic department is serving?

As for the high school situation in Sioux Falls, you can't justify poor behavior by pointing to other poor behavior. Thats a pretty weak argument, often used by grade schoolers. Those student athletes had to deal with the consequences of their poor behavior. Coach Tibbetts had to deal with the consequences of his personal behavior, too (unlike SDSU's athletic director).

It seems like most posters want to blame everyone except the person in charge. At what point can fans start questioning the leadership?

You say if the wrong choice is made, deal with the consequences. I couldn't agree more.

[Texas_Jacks_Fan]

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Coach Nagy has my 100% unwaivering support.
Coach Larsen has my 100% unwaivering support
Dr. Oien has my 100% unwaivering support

[filbert]

Re: Nagy is a great coach!

Nagy has been dealt about as poor a hand in the past two years as you can conceive of for a college basketball coach.

He has struggled. (i.e. he has not played well with the poor hand he's been dealt).

It remains to be seen whether or not he can rise to the challenge.

I think he can learn, adapt, change, and ultimately prevail.

I expect to see a ***very*** competitive basketball team next year. If we're sitting at 6-14 next year then IMHO this topic should be in full firestorm mode.

Not now, however.

Nagy's earned some tolerance, although I'll admit he's burning through his built-up D-II goodwill real fast.

[sdman]

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Coach Nagy is a nice guy, a good radio interview, and a great d2 coach. He has done nothing yet to prove he can be a great d1 coach but I am willing to give him 4 years since he has had such a good history here. But just because he was a great d2 coach with superb resources- compared to most of his opponents- doesn't mean he will do the same in d1 with equal or lesser resources than his opponents. I guess only time will tell. He deserves 4 recruiting classes before he gets buried by the public.