Argus Editorial on Nagy

[SUPERBUNNY]

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the article was very fair, just long over due. Imo, nagy should do the honorable thing and resign now. This year is a loss and to give our juniors a chance at a decent senior year we need to strat the search for a competent div i coach asap. Anything else is putting off the inevitable.

uuuuggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Superbunny

[EQguy]

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uuuuggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Superbunny

Ditto

[filbert]

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Filbert's take:

I like Nagy--as a person, a man, a coach. It's hard for me to see him and his team struggle. He and his team has been struggling for five long, hard years now in D-I. A lot of what's happened has been beyond Nagy's control.

But that's the past, and now is now.

I think it's time to start expecting the players, coaches, and administration to be accountable for what's happening--in all of the athletic programs, not just men's basketball. This doesn't mean fire the guy in the middle of the season--but it does mean that we need to see improvement. Improvement means making the Summit League tournament field, and maybe if things come together, be within striking distance of a .500 record in-conference. I think both are quite achievable, given how essentially the same team performed last year. They weren't really that far away, but had a nasty habit of flaming out in games, and then not being able to rally and recover.

I suspect that a part of the problem might just be the very competitiveness which makes him a good coach in the first place. I think he's had a lot of difficulty--a LOT of difficulty--shifting gears from the demanding taskmaster who was so successful in D-II to the patient teacher that circumstances in D-I required of him. In other words, I think a core problem is that he's simply trying too hard--and that trickles down to how his players play.

I had hoped that the change in offense would shake things up, and kind of press the "reset" button for the Jacks so that they wouldn't look so gosh-darn tight in every game they play.

So far, not so good. Maybe a few days in the Cancun sunshine will loosen them all up a bit, and let them enjoy the game a bit more, and stress a bit less.

On the occasions when the guys loosen up a bit, they seem to play a LOT better.

I remain hopeful, concerned, and as yet unpanicked.

[KUlawJack]

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I think Stu did an okay job with this article, minus the last line about big boy decisions. That was unwarranted to say the least. The timing of the article might be called into question just for the fact that starting the rumbling of removing a coach is in no way good at the beginning of the season (or middle for that matter - did anyone watch K-State implode during the final games this year?)

That said, as the season progresses we will have a better look at the situation, as will the people who make the decisions. No need to talk about replacing a coach until we see how 2008-09 progresses. If at that time things need to change, then the AD will address them. I am not being an apologist here or begging for more time. Just stating that this year is the fork in the road and we will see which path our team takes.

[goon]

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Nagy has not had a full line of assistant coaches to help teach the young players we have. He does not have enough coaches to recruit the way the program needs. Lets remember that we are on our 3 assistant coach sense the transition has started, and this one has a lot of ties to the school and area so really only good things seem to come from hiring hansen. Some might ask why has the transition gone better for the women then the men? well first of all they have the ability to recruit high level players right here in the state and close surrounding area. Unfortunetly the mens team does not have that ability to recruit just in state kids as much as the women team. Lets face it, we are prolly never going to get an high major recruits who could help this team in their first year at college. The recruits we get will prolly have to be developed over a few years of practice and conditioning to hlep this team out and will always need an experineced group of older players to make a run for league champs. just look at who the best teams in most leagues are, and they are the teams with the most senior leadership and players who have been with a program for 3 or 4 or 5 years. Once we get a few talented recruited classes in a row back to back with out losing players for what ever reason i think we will start so the rewards of all the hard work. Thats why i am in the boat saying next year should be the messuring stick for the program to see if it starts heading in the right direction. Loyalty should be a bit of a factor i think too. to many programs give a coach such a short leash that they really can not do anything in a year or two before getting yanked. Nagy stuck with us through the transition, getting countless losses on his career winning percentage while guiding a team through a process that for many years had no chance of getting tittles or to the post season. He made the transition with us and we all suffered no doubt about that but with that we must give him a chance to succeed with his recruits in an established league with something to play for besides respect and moral victories. He gave up moving on and his constant 20 win seasons to help this program out. Seems the least we could do is give him the chance he deserves. Sorry for the long rant again.

Goon

[joeboo22]

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When making a coaching change you have to ask yourself are you going to put the program ahead by doing so..... And I think the answer to that is no..... We are finally seeing the end.... If you are going to judge a coach by 5 transitional seasons, what are you going to judge the next coach by? We have legit D-I recruits coming in next season, we will have 4 year starters for seniors and the program is looking up.....

[Jacks#1Fan]

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I think Stu did an okay job with this article, minus the last line about big boy decisions. That was unwarranted to say the least. The timing of the article might be called into question just for the fact that starting the rumbling of removing a coach is in no way good at the beginning of the season (or middle for that matter - did anyone watch K-State implode during the final games this year?)

This post is right on...calling for a "big boy decision" from a needler on our move to D-I is the height of hypocrisy and the kind of crap I expect from Whitney. Our administration, our AD, and our staff made lots of "big boy decisions" and will continue to do so.

So from an obvious "ostrich", here's my rant: "go get some Jucos"...well we've certainly tried that. And we reportedly did very good with Anthony Davis, whom we could certainly use, and he may or may not ever play basketball again. "Mens' BB is one of the hardest transitions, but we need to go out across the country and get these good players"...Well, we got Steve Holdren from Illinois and he never finished...neither did Andre Gilbert, and don't put the blame for Gilbert's fiasco on the coaches.

So without any more details...here's my final take...if the AD and president of the university feel a change is needed (at the END of this season), so be it. If the same sources feel they want to wait "one more year", then so be it. I know they are capable of making the tough, and right decisions. Stu Whitney's writing this editorial at the beginning of the season is intended to do just what he wanted...stir the pot and get SDSU fans and friends riled up...nothing new about that.

[Nidaros]

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So without any more details...here's my final take...if the AD and president of the university feel a change is needed (at the END of this season), so be it. If the same sources feel they want to wait "one more year", then so be it. I know they are capable of making the tough, and right decisions. Stu Whitney's writing this editorial at the beginning of the season is intended to do just what he wanted...stir the pot and get SDSU fans and friends riled up...nothing new about that.

Right on. I been waiting for your input. Apparently they got internet in Cancun, Mexico. I don't think Mr. Meyer from NSU or Mr. Billiter from Augie could do a better job than Nagy.
This comment comes from an earlier post by JackGuyII that suggested regional coaching replacements.

Considering Mr. Meyer's health issues I dont see him coaching much longer. Also it seems Dr. Oien follows closely the state regs about filling a position with a national search and that I think would happen. Meanwhile Scott Nagy is still our coach and I am pulling for him to get the program further down the road. Its not an easy job. He needs our support more than our speculation.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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This thread is really starting to drag on. Posting resumes of possible replacements, is that necessary? Appropriate?

First and foremost, any decisions of this magnitude will be made by the AD. That is the way it should be and I have confidence in Dr. Oien to make a sound decision whatever that is. His track record speaks for itself.

I just think our focus is a little off. This is the team that we have. These are the coaches that we have. These are the players we have. They deserve our support and they need it now more than ever. We need to cheer them on.

Shoot, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and they very greatly on this topic. I'm not saying we should just turn a blind eye and pretend there aren't struggles or frustrations. We all see it happening. The question is what possible good can come out posts like that? I don't see any possitives.

In the last week we have seen good crowds for the women's games against some great opponents and the crowds have been excited and involved even in a game that was in hand after the first five minutes. There is a huge home court advantage for the women. In contrast, we had horrible turnout against Upper Iowa and the crowd couldn't have been more flat. Now, I'm like everyone else in that the Upper Iowa game held little excitement for me going in. As a matter of fact, I hate games like that. My point being, as a whole the men aren't getting the support like they used to. It's all about winning and when it turns around the fans will return. Just look at football. But for those that were there against Upper Iowa the other night, would it have killed us to cheer for the team down the stretch even though we should have blown them out? I sat there shaking my head with everyone else thinking here we go again. Shouldn't we have shown them a little more support down the stretch? There is no home court advantage for the men anymore. That's just sad!

I'm not trying to single any one person out here. Not at all. Its more about our fanbase as a whole. Come on here and post your opinions whatever they may be (as long as they are appropriat) but when we go to the game we should all be doing the same thing. Cheering for our beloved Jackrabbits. Let's yell a little. Stand and clap during "Ring the Bells". Get off our asses and cheer a good play! Maybe, just maybe, the team will respond with more great play which means we will stand and cheer and then............

Off rant now. God we just need a couple wins!

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[filbert]

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. . . Stu Whitney's writing this editorial at the beginning of the season is intended to do just what he wanted...stir the pot and get SDSU fans and friends riled up...nothing new about that.

I guess if that's what Stu wanted, he failed with me . . . he basically "un-riled" me. Well, him and a couple of days to cool down, including reading from Vandrovec's game article that the coaches and the players were as upset (or more upset) about the Upper Iowa game than even I was.

So, onward!

[EQguy]

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The question is what possible good can come out posts like that? I don't see any possitives.

Using that theory there really is no reason for 99% of what is posted here.

[Just in the crowd]

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We need to get the students interested in the men's program. I asked many of them why they don't go? The answers knocked me off my chair. They say Nagy is "too good for them". The players think they are "king ****". We need to fix it quickly.

Tuesday night we had 1348 attend, USD had 1040 attend, while Dakota Wesleyan had over 3,000. It's embarrassing, maybe Stu is right?

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Using that theory there really is no reason for 99% of what is posted here.

I agree with what you are saying and I could have worded that much better.

The post suggesting who might be the next coach was the one I was referring to. That post crossed a line in my book. Maybe others feel differently.

Otherwise, with the way I worded it you are exactly right eqguy. Hopefully I clarified my point.

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[packer_tattoo]

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Who's out there that's better than Nagy and would be willing to accept a relatively low-paying, one-year coaching contract to turn around a once proud, now struggling program in a cold-weather area? That might be harder than recruiting and retaining good players.

Ohhhhh now....that's a good one. He's here and nobody else will come here so we'd just better settle and let him live out his retirement while the program takes the swirl. Have some pride in the school and the program and see we deserve better.

[joeboo22]

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Ohhhhh now....that's a good one. He's here and nobody else will come here so we'd just better settle and let him live out his retirement while the program takes the swirl. Have some pride in the school and the program and see we deserve better.

No..... Its the fact that your not going to improve the program by changing coaches, if by some chance you do get a coach that becomes something he'll be gone with the first offer..... Until you atleast match NDSU dollar for dollar you won't get anyone.... I think what Nagy has done with all the problems the program has gone through is respectable in its self... He has the 2 best recruits in the state signed, has a verbal from one of the best sophomores in the state, the roster is starting to fill and have D-I talent on it....