Back to the Runnin' Rabbits?

[rational thought]

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JUCO's are good for a quick fix to fill a certain need. However, I doubt few if any programs can sustain long term success by using primarily JUCO players.

I would say most would be in California(Fresno, Fullerton,etc)...were the JC system is the largest...

[Just in the crowd]

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I hadn't thought of the fact that Engen has shown the ability to shoot the three a little bit. He could be a good fit for this type of approach in that he could still provide a little bit of height and presence in the middle of the defense and retain the ability to step out and shoot a few jumpers during the course of the game.

Engen was 2 for 5 for the entire season, little early to promote him to outside threat?

[Just in the crowd]

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I don't know if anyone watched the Wisconsin v. Cal St Fullerton first round matchup in the NCAA tourney, but Fullerton's biggest player was 6'6". The Badgers were significantly bigger with their 2 (Krabbenhoft) playing at 6'7", not to mention Landry at 6'8, Butch at 7'2" and Steimsma at 7'1". However, Fullerton was in the game until the very end when the just ran out of gas. They had one of their guards go off in the game or it may have been a blowout, but there are teams out there who have had success without much height. A couple seasons ago, George Washington made the Elite 8 (if memory serves me) with their tallest player a wide-bodied 6'7". The key with smaller lineups is having outstanding guard play. We need that to happen if we're going to win at this level.

Another interesting tidbit on Fullerton - every one of their players were transfers from either a Juco or another school.

01Landry, Marcus F6-7222
32Butch, Brian F/C6-11235
34Stiemsma, Greg C6-11260

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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01Landry, Marcus F6-7222
32Butch, Brian F/C6-11235
34Stiemsma, Greg C6-11260

What's your point? That Landry's really 6'7" according to that website and the two bigs are listed at 6'11"? If it is, I stand corrected. Not sure it really changes the fact that Wisconsin towered over Cal State Fullerton whose tallest player who actually saw the floor was 6'6" and Fullerton held their own for most of the game.

[JackJD]

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The Moderators have been meeting in our usual meeting place (behind the curtain off to the side of the smoke and fire breathing face...and this time keep Toto out of here) and I've just deleted a number of posts due to violation of the rule proscribing discussions on current athletes and whether they are leaving the program without attribution to a credible source.

Some of the posts I deleted were comments by others inquiring about whether there was a rule violation. Nothing wrong with those posts but I thought I'd just clean that sub-thread up.

I'll send a private note to a couple of posters.

JackJD

[SDSUJack3031]

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Agreed. No hard feelings and don't mean anything by it.

[JackJD]

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Thanks.

[JackrabbitGuy]

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Engen was 2 for 5 for the entire season, little early to promote him to outside threat?

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He shot 40% for the season from beyond the arc. I think with another year of experience under his belt he can up that to 4 for 10 next season.

I certainly didn't realize he was 2 for 5. I just remembered what I thought were several times when he stepped out an hit one. Obviously my recollections were off, unless he was lighting it up during pregame warmups and I had a couple 13-14 drinks in me and thought it was game action.

I never meant to suggest that he was going to make a huge impact with that shot anyway. It was just a passing thought that should've remained in my head instead of on this board.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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With the amount of playing time and the control Coach Nagy exercises over players during in game situations, Mark Engen would not have taken any 3 point shots during the season if the coaching staff did not believe in his ability to make them.

Is he ever going to hit 5 in a game? Probably not. But the point is, he has proven he can hit a 3, which could have a big impact on how opposing defenses play their post players.

If you have a guy who even hits 30% from down town, I would guess that opposing coaches are going to get a hand in his face, whether he has had 10 attempts or 100.

[Jacks-02]

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With the amount of playing time and the control Coach Nagy exercises over players during in game situations, Mark Engen would not have taken any 3 point shots during the season if the coaching staff did not believe in his ability to make them.

Is he ever going to hit 5 in a game? Probably not. But the point is, he has proven he can hit a 3, which could have a big impact on how opposing defenses play their post players.

If you have a guy who even hits 30% from down town, I would guess that opposing coaches are going to get a hand in his face, whether he has had 10 attempts or 100.

Agree with you 100%.

I remember the first time I ever saw Andy Cone take a three, it caught me off-guard, but by the time he was in his senior season, it turned into a pretty decent weapon for him when the other teams big man would sag off of him. I hope Engen can turn into the type of player Cone was. If I remember right he didn't produce much his first couple of years at SDSU either, but by the time he was done he was an important player for us.

When I mentioned Engen, I never meant that he'd be a huge threat from out there, just noted that he is capable out there and if we go to more of a spread offense, it could be something to take advantage of.

[FargoBison]

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I would say most would be in California(Fresno, Fullerton,etc)...were the JC system is the largest...

It definitely seems to be a western thing, I noticed that SUU had 9 transfers on their team and that included 7 JUCO's. However, besides Fresno have any of these programs really been able to sustain any real success? I'd imagine it would be hard to maintain an identity when your team is built on JUCOs.

Staying on the Cali JUCO topic, NDSU seems close to landing a power forward from Mt. San Jacinto College in CA.

[91jack]

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I agree Mac will be our starting point guard. I think outside of Kai we are in big trouble from a size standpoint if the balance of your proposed starting lineup holds up. Clint in particular needs to really improve from his freshman year. He did not provide a lot of production in relation to the minutes he received down the stretch.

I agree but we could be "bigger" than we were this year.
Casey in a couple inches taller than Micheal and Davis is 4 inches taller than Ben. They both are taller and could be just as big. I haven't seen if Davis is bigger than Ben, though.
The team is getting bigger, too. Mo, Ben and Micheal were big but Cassaday, Rader and Davis are taller. They probably won't be as physical for a couple years. Hopefully they fill out their bodies and help out down low. The thing about the younger guys is that supposedly Cassaday and Rader can shoot from outside. They should equal out what we lost in Ben's outside shot.
White and Feigen are taller players, too. In a couple years; Michael, Garrett, Payton will be the only players on the rooster under 6' 4". There will be several players that are between 6'4"-6'7".

[bub94]

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I do remember watching the defense Mac provides and it is good. He does handle the ball well and his outside shot is good. The one thing that needs to be watched next year is the minutes Garrett, Clint, and Kai log. They have to have more rest breaks compared to this year.

[packer_tattoo]

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I'm generally against going the Juco route, myself. I think it presents a slippery slope. If you become known as a Juco school, you significantly limit your ability to recruit 4 year players.

I want some action! I want to win and I don't mind sacrificing some long term benefits for some short term gain. Sorry, but I don't like hearing ALL of the excuses over and over and over again about how we need to be patient and wait 2 more years. We're gonna have a hard time recruiting AND keeping our players if we don't stop the bleeding...and we all know we're bleeding. Bring on the torniquet...JUCO or not

[NorCalJack]

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I want some action! I want to win and I don't mind sacrificing some long term benefits for some short term gain. Sorry, but I don't like hearing ALL of the excuses over and over and over again about how we need to be patient and wait 2 more years. We're gonna have a hard time recruiting AND keeping our players if we don't stop the bleeding...and we all know we're bleeding. Bring on the torniquet...JUCO or not

I have issues with posters that only have 20 posts and then claim they want action, only to offer no viable solution to solve the problem. You stated that we need to go the JUCO route, however, you do realize that we don't have any scholarships available for the next two years. So I suggest you temper that enthusiasm for "Action" and wait two years when we actually have someone graduating that will open up more scholarships. Because until we have some scholarships to offer, we can't recruit JUCO players.

I'm just trying to get you up to speed on this topic, since you apparently don't know what your talking about. .....NEXT!!!

Go State!!!
Go Jacks!!!