Onward and upward

[Nidaros]

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Based on the last two games and the minutes Payton Tivis gave us, we should give him some of the schollie money. But what do I know. For a practice guy he did a good job when he was on the floor and even got a bucket or two.

[bballfan54]

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I agree with you , he also played decent defense too.

[jackmd]

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Based on the last two games and the minutes Payton Tivis gave us, we should give him some of the schollie money. But what do I know. For a practice guy he did a good job when he was on the floor and even got a bucket or two.

Agreed, Payton played is rear end off. He wasn't nearly as quick as the Centenary guards but his effort is appreciated.

[JacksFroshFan]

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Payton definitely played well.

But, if we have a scholarship open to get another big guy, I would rather see it go there. That is nothing against Tivis. If we were a team that was set at all positions and could afford giving a scholarship to a hard worker, I'd be all for it. But, I am afraid we aren't in that position, yet.

Agreed, Payton played is rear end off. He wasn't nearly as quick as the Centenary guards but his effort is appreciated.

[jackmd]

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Payton definitely played well.

But, if we have a scholarship open to get another big guy, I would rather see it go there. That is nothing against Tivis. If we were a team that was set at all positions and could afford giving a scholarship to a hard worker, I'd be all for it. But, I am afraid we aren't in that position, yet.

Let me clarify: I agree that Payton played hard, I'm not about to expect Nagy to decide who should get a scholarship based on my opinion. I definitely want to see another inside presence added to the team and if a scholarship can help us accomplish that, great.

[rabbit_boy]

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Lets be honest here. Coach Nagy is a good coach and a good guy but his style rubs on a significant amount of players and we have lossed some good ones because of it. We are not in a position where we can just go out and replace them. I humbly suggest, it is time for a coaching change.

[joeboo22]

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Lets be honest here. Coach Nagy is a good coach and a good guy but his style rubs on a significant amount of players and we have lossed some good ones because of it. We are not in a position where we can just go out and replace them. I humbly suggest, it is time for a coaching change.

no............. I think the problem is he is too much of a D-I coach.... he recruits like a D-I guy he coaches like a D-I guy the problem is all our D-I talent is young...... this year wasn't a great year but if you look at all the scores you would of realized that it was a lot better then the past 4 years even if the record didn't show it..... Nagy I think needs to understand that he needs to change some of his coaching techniques and he did so in some games, you saw him use more time outs he went deeper into the bench, and tried some new things. I think it is foolish to suggest a coaching change when the majority of the talent came from underclassmen and we played some good teams........ Its not womens basketball, I'm not trying to underestimate the good job AJ and the womens team has done in transition but when it comes to mens college hoops its a totally different ball game.... there are 3 times as many top level teams in guys hoops and it makes recruiting that much tougher, AJ recruits from mainly 3 states, if the guys team did that they would be horrible.... its a different ball game, its not the coaches fault its just the surroundings, do I think the Nagy needs to start turning things around yes but to fire him now would only just put us back 4 years......

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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Anyway, who's leaving? Bassett, Engen or AC?

edit: I guess I could consider Kai a big man so throw him in the mix as well. I really doubt he's leaving and certainly hope it's not him.

[rabbit_boy]

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The reality is that we are not going to be much better the next couple of years. Some of our young talent will improve, but we are not bringing in players (especially in the post) that makes me think we will get better. If we can only win 8 games with Ben and Mo, how are we going to win more replacing them with a JC (talented granted) and a true freshmen?

[propar80]

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Lets be honest here. Coach Nagy is a good coach and a good guy but his style rubs on a significant amount of players and we have lossed some good ones because of it. We are not in a position where we can just go out and replace them. I humbly suggest, it is time for a coaching change.

So what if they fired Coach Nagy. Then Kai, AC and Clint leave because of this decision. Now, where are we at? I think if you ask Mrs. Williams one reason why Kai would leave SDSU...I'm pretty sure Coach Nagy getting the door would be one. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not convinced there has been one single player that has left because of Coach Nagy. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

Let's think this through before we go out there and asking for coaches to be canned. Please, remember that next year is actually our first true year of being a d-1 team. That's how pre-mature this is to be asking to let coaches go, who have stuck it out with a program that has to go through this transition. Nagy could've very well went to any d-2 program in the nation back in 2003, but he didn't. For us to give up on him in the final year of transition would not only be foolhearty, but also a cheap shot.

Go Jacks!!

[SUPERBUNNY]

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So you want to fire a guy that has gone 244-142 since being here at SDSU? Why?

Because a few kids along the way weren't able to handle the intense way he coaches. Guess what, there were a number of kids at D2 that left but we weren't making an issue of that because Nagy was winning 20+ a season and getting into the post season.

He is the same coach! We're talking about it now because 80+ of those losses have come in the last few years as we have transitioned to division 1. Transition isn't easy for anyone!Actually, in my opinion he is a better coach now after having gone through the last few years. He has stuck with SDSU through this transition and he deserves the same respect in return. By the way, he has been a man of character in every regard and his teams maintain a solid GPA.

I'm not suggesting that Nagy gets a free pass for as long as he wants to be here but he has earned the right to get a couple more years in my opinion. He needs to show progress towards becoming a competitive program in the Summitt League.

This stuff has been going on for years but we are pointing it out now because we are struggling. I guess that is fair enough. Most of us on this board have a passion for SDSU Basketball which is a great thing. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My confidence is still with Nagy!

SUPERBUNNY

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Lets be honest here. Coach Nagy is a good coach and a good guy but his style rubs on a significant amount of players and we have lossed some good ones because of it. We are not in a position where we can just go out and replace them. I humbly suggest, it is time for a coaching change.

First of all, I don't think you know who it is (as would fit many posters). We can all guess which player it might be, and that is all foolish speculation. I'm sorry, RB, but you constantly tie everything to the coach, and constantly suggest a coaching change, so that it becomes repititous. Secondly, I believe it is appropriate and proper to let the news become "news" when it is publically announced, and not try in advance to say that you know the reason the particular player is leaving is because of Nagy's style. We didn't "loosed" (maybe you meant lost?) some good ones because of his style in D-II and trying to tie everything to a coach, or coaches, is way premature IMHO. Even when we know who it is, we can all make our own speculation, but unless I hear it from the player himself as to why he is leaving, I think everything is just that...speculation.

[jackmd]

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Nagy has been great for SDSU, no question about that. He may need to adapt his coaching philosophy a bit now that we aren't a front running program and I think he is willing to do that. Is it possible some players have left because of a conflict with Scott? Sure, in fact I think some have.

Nagy is the man who needs to turn this around. He needs to do that for himself and his players much more so than for us. Dr. Oien and the other in admin need to allow him a further opportunity to do so. He has earned that right, no question.

[joeboo22]

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First of all Nagy has earned the choice to leave when he wants to...... I don't know who is leaving I hope it isn't a premier player but it may be..... But to blame it on the coach I think is foolish, I think that it is fair to blame the coaching staff a little for the problems that have happened but to fire them over it is a bit to far..... I think that Nagy may have under estimated some of the changes he was going to have to make in going D-I but I also don't think it is fair to put the blame on him. Being a transitional D-I school you recruit kids that are "projects" "talented but not basketball players" and "fringe" players..... What I mean is you have to gamble, could Nagy of went out and recruited a bunch of D-II players and have a similar record without the kids leaving? Ya he could of but he has gone after real talent, sometimes its risky and sometimes the risk pays off and sometimes it bits ya in the behind.... SDSU has been bit in the behind more then they should have but you can't blame them...... The line goes both ways, and as I am on the side of the players on this issue the coaches aren't the only ones to blame when players leave the program...... Over Christmas break I was back home talking to my junior high coach and we were talking about the Minnesota game and I asked him about Nagy and he said all coaches should be like Nagy, the guy is harder then hell on his players in practice but he never runs the bus over them in the media, I remember after they lost to Butler last year a ranked team by 15 or so points and Nagy said we should of won.... Thats the type of coach we need......

[NorCalJack]

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First of all Nagy has earned the choice to leave when he wants to...... I don't know who is leaving I hope it isn't a premier player but it may be..... But to blame it on the coach I think is foolish, I think that it is fair to blame the coaching staff a little for the problems that have happened but to fire them over it is a bit to far..... I think that Nagy may have under estimated some of the changes he was going to have to make in going D-I but I also don't think it is fair to put the blame on him. Being a transitional D-I school you recruit kids that are "projects" "talented but not basketball players" and "fringe" players..... What I mean is you have to gamble, could Nagy of went out and recruited a bunch of D-II players and have a similar record without the kids leaving? Ya he could of but he has gone after real talent, sometimes its risky and sometimes the risk pays off and sometimes it bits ya in the behind.... SDSU has been bit in the behind more then they should have but you can't blame them...... The line goes both ways, and as I am on the side of the players on this issue the coaches aren't the only ones to blame when players leave the program...... Over Christmas break I was back home talking to my junior high coach and we were talking about the Minnesota game and I asked him about Nagy and he said all coaches should be like Nagy, the guy is harder then hell on his players in practice but he never runs the bus over them in the media, I remember after they lost to Butler last year a ranked team by 15 or so points and Nagy said we should of won.... Thats the type of coach we need......

I can't believe I'm doing this, but, I'm going to give you rep. points for that post. Wow, that hurt to type. I haven't even started drinking either. Nice post though.

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