Shooters

[BornBredBunny]

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We had DAMN good players our last 10 years of D2!!!! Many of them would have been very, very successful on our current teams! Our young players now are finally as good as the players we had during Nagy's rampage through the NCC; hence the reason I say we finally have good young players to build on -- plus they seem like quality kids and since they have a conference to play in, I don't think they are going to bolt after one or two tough seasons! That help reconcile!

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Right now, we aren't getting much better players than when we were D2! Better athletes, probably; better players, no! MJA is crazy to think we can get them now......Seriously guys, I may be a bigger Jacks fan than anybody but I also consider myself a realist. Why would high caliber, mid-major level type players not from the immediate area choose SDSU right now? We have been having a couple of bad years, the program is in turmoil, and we didn't have a conference for years! Can you blame high school kids....? I didn't think so! I expect recruiting to get better b/c the program is stabilizing, we have plenty of good young players to imporve our success on the floor and we are in a very good, respected conference finally!

Again, I'm not sure you get my point in bringing up Graves, Campbell and Lofton. The point isn't that we should have recruited these players, its that there are players like that out there who can SHOOT who can also play some good basketball who are not blue chip recruits. That's the point of the thread. Finding SHOOTERS. It says so in the title of the thread?

Graves ended up at Butler when they were an also-ran team in the Horizon league. When they recruited him Butler was the team UWM kept beating to get into the NCAA tourny. He was at the level of a player easily attainable by a team of SDSU's stature. Lofton would not have been because of his location. If he was from Nebraska, we'd have had a chance. But he was from Maysville, KY. Now, Campbell is definitely a player SDSU could grab still today. If we can't land a recruit like Campbell, then we're never going to get any better and like Propar said, we have no business being in D1.

Like I also said, I think we have players on this team who can develop into great shooters and great scorers. Sempsrott (sp?) wouldn't have lit it up as a freshman in D2 or D1. He took some time on the pine and alot of time shooting hoops in practice to become the offensive threat he was. Some of our current players can get there, or close to it. We better hope so, because our team really lacks any offensive firepower as it stands right now. We have some good slashers and some great athletes (Moss is athletic as they come), but we don't have anyone who you can give the ball to, down 1 at the end of the game, and feel confident he will get off a good shot. If we did, we would have won a couple more games this year.

I don't think that's being negative or overly optimistic about SDSU. I think that's a pretty decent wish list. 1) Let's get a kid in here who can give us some offensive life and/or 2) let's hope the players we have develop some offense as they mature.

[BornBredBunny]

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MJA, we are arguing apples and apples here. You make good points about the type of player we need to recruit to be successful in the future and we seem to agree for the most part (I still say those three players you mentioned are probably out of our league but I will concede the point since I'm guessing neither of us are talent evaluators!), but you hit the nail on the head with location! Few SD & ND kids are going to be D1 caliber. Neb, IA, and MN turn out more but there are also a lot of school vying for their services......Up until now, we struggled to offer them anything (no conference, program struggling, etc....); consequently, the better players from the area went elsewhere and we were stuck with less talented players. I.E....the one's who were maybe great athletes, but not great basketball players or visa versa! Now that we have more to offer, we need to start locking up the players closer to home!

Some of our younger players will develop into much more effective players, but the only one we got who will ever be considered an offensive "straw that stirs the drink" is Kai. That being said, Moss, Cordova, and maybe Garrett form the solid nucleus around Kai that makes me excited for the future! Keep recruiting solid players like them, keep them in Brookings for all 4 years, find one or two "straws" and we are on to something!

GO RABBITS!!!

[Cadsev]

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Felt dropped 43 on Marshall on Thursday night and 28 on Friday in a loss. Too bad SDSU doesn't have any scholarships....

[JACKGUYII]

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Something tells me there will be one available at the end of this year.

[jack power]

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Something tells me there will be one available at the end of this year.

Hmmm.... is someone leaving?

[JACKGUYII]

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I don't have anyone in mind I just think someone may be discouraged with playing time etc and decide to move on. We have yet to have a year when someone doesn't leave. Maybe this is the year.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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I haven't been keeping track of the scholarships, but don't Ben Beran, Michael Loney and Mo Berte have scholarships? If so, wouldn't we have three scholarships next year? And I thought that we only have two recruits joining the team next year...Anthony Davis and James Rader. I suppose I'm missing something here.

[joeboo22]

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I haven't been keeping track of the scholarships, but don't Ben Beran, Michael Loney and Mo Berte have scholarships? If so, wouldn't we have three scholarships next year? And I thought that we only have two recruits joining the team next year...Anthony Davis and James Rader. I suppose I'm missing something here.

We have one available next year but its needed in the year after.....

I skimmed through this so if I am stating the obvious I'm sorry.... I read what Mrs. Williams said and I have to agree most of the shooters just shoot.... As what my coach and other coaches I have heard speak they all say that anybody can be a shooter you don't have to be athletic, tall, fast, etc.... So a lot of times the best shooters aren't D-I athletes they are the ones that had to become good shooters to play..... The point I'm getting at is when a mid-major D-I school is recruiting shooters you have to understand that they aren't going to be the best defenders, they probably aren't that tall, they probably aren't that quick.....

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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The point I'm getting at is when a mid-major D-I school is recruiting shooters you have to understand that they aren't going to be the best defenders, they probably aren't that tall, they probably aren't that quick.....

This is exactly the point I was trying to contradict when bringing up the Tennessee and Butler games from last week. There are plenty of good shooters who are also athletic and GASP can play defense. Last I checked, Campbell from Butler was something like 6'8" which I would consider rather tall. Granted, your roomate's buddy who talked to your friend Jerry would disagree with me, but I've personally witnessed, played against and heard about many such players. I even had a very close relative actually coach on the SDSU staff who would agree with me.

There are plenty of good shooting athletes out there. Most basketball players learned to shoot the basketball long before they were either tall or athletic. Some of those kids worked harder at a young age and/or were more blessed with "touch" than others. Those kids turned out to be good/great shooters. Some of those shooters also grew into good/great athletes and/or gained alot of height. A lot didn't. I simply think we should try to go after the ones who do. And, contrary to popular opinion, some of them are available to a D1 institution of SDSU's stature.

Hell, I think we have some on our team right now. It's been previously alluded to on here on why they simply may not have as good of a chance to blossom as shooters given Coach Nagy's coaching style. He tends to coach from the inside out - focusing more on an offense based on motion instead of spot up shooting. Coach Nagy relies more on getting open looks from a high-percentage area than worrying about gunning from long range. Nothing right or wrong about that, but it tends to limit outside shooting.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Certainly agree with you MJA...you brought up some great points...and your last sentences are very true...we don't tend to set up screens for 3-pointers like some teams do, preferring to go inside under Coach Nagy. Like you said, neither right nor wrong...just what it is. Rep points to you!

[darkerstill]

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We had DAMN good players our last 10 years of D2!!!! Many of them would have been very, very successful on our current teams! Our young players now are finally as good as the players we had during Nagy's rampage through the NCC; hence the reason I say we finally have good young players to build on -- plus they seem like quality kids and since they have a conference to play in, I don't think they are going to bolt after one or two tough seasons! That help reconcile!

I think if we all look back at those years we "rampaged" through the NCC, and then compare them to the years when the decline started in quality players, we will see two things:

1. We were transitioning to DI
2. Matt Margenthaler left for Mankato State

[SDSUJack3031]

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I think if we all look back at those years we "rampaged" through the NCC, and then compare them to the years when the decline started in quality players, we will see two things:

1. We were transitioning to DI
2. Matt Margenthaler left for Mankato State

I stated this earlier a long time ago. He was a RECRUITER!!

I believe Klink has some of these same qualities though. He's such a people person.

[darkerstill]

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I stated this earlier a long time ago. He was a RECRUITER!!

I believe Klink has some of these same qualities though. He's such a people person.

He could sell ice cream to an eskimo. Let's hope Klink can do the same.

[joeboo22]

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This is exactly the point I was trying to contradict when bringing up the Tennessee and Butler games from last week. There are plenty of good shooters who are also athletic and GASP can play defense. Last I checked, Campbell from Butler was something like 6'8" which I would consider rather tall. Granted, your roomate's buddy who talked to your friend Jerry would disagree with me, but I've personally witnessed, played against and heard about many such players. I even had a very close relative actually coach on the SDSU staff who would agree with me.

There are plenty of good shooting athletes out there. Most basketball players learned to shoot the basketball long before they were either tall or athletic. Some of those kids worked harder at a young age and/or were more blessed with "touch" than others. Those kids turned out to be good/great shooters. Some of those shooters also grew into good/great athletes and/or gained alot of height. A lot didn't. I simply think we should try to go after the ones who do. And, contrary to popular opinion, some of them are available to a D1 institution of SDSU's stature.

Hell, I think we have some on our team right now. It's been previously alluded to on here on why they simply may not have as good of a chance to blossom as shooters given Coach Nagy's coaching style. He tends to coach from the inside out - focusing more on an offense based on motion instead of spot up shooting. Coach Nagy relies more on getting open looks from a high-percentage area than worrying about gunning from long range. Nothing right or wrong about that, but it tends to limit outside shooting.

First of all I think there is a big difference between us and Butler.... Butler is one of the top Mid-Major programs...... As far as us personally I think that Kai, and Garret are pretty good shooters, Sargent hasn't done as well as I thought he would do, Palarca has held his own, I'm told Cassady is a guy that can really stroke it hope he comes back 100% next year.... As far as recruits I have heard good things about Rader, that the kid can stroke it.... The Madison recruits are pretty decent shooters also, Feigan is really good in the 12 foot range and Chad White had one of the quickest shots I had seen in a long time...... I think are recruits are pretty good shooters..... The point I am getting at is that we aren't going to get a J.J. Redick or a Wayne Ellington.....