Shooters

[JackJD]

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Going back, back, back, Steve Brown ... went on, to the surprise of some because he was only 5-9 or 5-10, to be a great shooter at SDSU long before there was a 3 point line....

I've commented before on other threads that you could have locked Steve Brown in a closet in a different building on campus, turn the lights out, and he'd still make the shot in Frost Arena. Steve's brother John's kid at Clark (I think he's either a freshman or a soph) is showing some amazing stuff.

[bub94]

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Pure shooters , my experience with pure shooters on teams both my son's have been on in the past is that , (shoot) is all they do, nothing else , defence is not in their volcabulary, I would prefer a kid who can stop their man, than just shoot the ball everytime he gets it.

Very obvious Mrs. Williams knows basketball.

[Jack4Life]

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I've commented before on other threads that you could have locked Steve Brown in a closet in a different building on campus, turn the lights out, and he'd still make the shot in Frost Arena. Steve's brother John's kid at Clark (I think he's either a freshman or a soph) is showing some amazing stuff.

And Brownie played hard defense and went full-bore. As I mentioned on a previous thread, Ron Wiblemo...he could shoot the jumper from the top of the key off the double screen all night. He, too, plyed tough defense. But I will agree with Mrs. W, a lot of the shooters are just that. They don't want to get winded on defense.

[EQguy]

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Very obvious Mrs. Williams knows basketball.

And she talks with a great accent besides. I could listen to her talk for hours.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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Although some pure shooters don't play defense, all anyone had to do was watch both Tennessee and Butler play last night to see that's a stereotype with as much weight as most stereotypes. There are plenty of great shooters who are well rounded athletes. I think the difference has more to do with style of play (as was previously alluded too) than anything else. You give a kid the green light to shoot and he'll have the confidence to make them.

Smith and Lofton are great all-around players (Smith more than Lofton) for Tennessee who shoot the lights out and shoot from anywhere. To say Tennessee doesn't play defense is to ignore the best part of their game. They play unbelievable team defense. Lofton was barely recruited out of highschool (only one D1 offer) and is currently 8th all-time in NCAA history in 3 point makes. Both shot over 50% from behind the arc last night.

Go from them to Graves and Campbell from Butler and you see the same thing. Two players who have the green light to shoot anytime they get the ball. Campbell may have the best shot in college basketball. He also happens to be 6'7" and plays good D. Graves only led the team in points, assists and rebounds last night while measuring just above 6'0".

There are players out there. Campbell, Graves and Lofton were not blue-chip recruits. These guys developed into great players and were likley already above-average shooters upon entering college. There are a lot of "good" shooters who turn into "great" shooters if given the confidence and green light to develop into great shooters while in college. And they can also be taught to play good hard defense (which is largely a matter of simply putting forth the effort). There aren't many college players who can get by with not playing defense. Coaches simply don't allow it.

[BornBredBunny]

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True enough but you happen to be talking about players on two of the top 15 teams in the nation! Tennessee is Tennessee this year and Butler just keeps on chugging along like Gonzaga of about 10 years ago. Unfortunately for us, a good shooter who also happens to be a good athlete doesn't have SDSU on his radar very often! Therefore, we are often recruiting "good" shooters who happen to be second tier athletes.....And while I don't fault effort of any of our kids, sometime effort just isn't enough when facing better athletes playing as hard as you are. Louie Legend will find this out in the next couple of years as he definately falls into the 2nd tier athlete (at best!) category!

Nagy has us on the right track with our younger players being good athletes; now it's his and his coaching staff's job to make them better basketball players over the next 3-4 years.....Players that decide to stay all four years will help alot too! The future is brighter than it has been for years for Rabbit mens basketball - we may be taking our lumps (again ) this year, but will be a better team for it in the years to come!

GO RABBITS!!!

[propar80]

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Gotleib(sp?) mentioned that Campbell from Butler transferred there from IPFW. Not sure if he had the right info, considering they had him listed as a Freshman last night.

Boy, can that guy shoot and about 4 other guys on the floor in last night's game. A lot of fun to watch!

For a Mid-Major especially...the 3 pointer is the ultimate equalizer.

Go Jacks!!

[Jackbit]

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Niether Chris Lofton or AJ Graves are "great" athletes, but are probably the "toughest" mentally on their respective teams.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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True enough but you happen to be talking about players on two of the top 15 teams in the nation! Tennessee is Tennessee this year and Butler just keeps on chugging along like Gonzaga of about 10 years ago. Unfortunately for us, a good shooter who also happens to be a good athlete doesn't have SDSU on his radar very often! Therefore, we are often recruiting "good" shooters who happen to be second tier athletes.....And while I don't fault effort of any of our kids, sometime effort just isn't enough when facing better athletes playing as hard as you are. Louie Legend will find this out in the next couple of years as he definately falls into the 2nd tier athlete (at best!) category!

Them being on top 15 teams doesn't really have anything to do with what sort of recruits Lofton, Graves or Campbell were out of highschool. None of those players are 1) great athletes as was mentioned by Jackbit, 2) were highly recruited (Lofton had one D1 offer) out of high school and 3) have blossomed into some of the nations best shooters and scorers making teams have to respect them from any spot on the floor. We can get players like Graves and Campbell. Those are the sorts of players who are attainable for SDSU.

I like the players we have, but we lack any real scoring threat. Williams and Garrett are probably as close as we have to someone who can be counted on to get a good look on their own. Someone who can create their own shot. I think some of the younger players can develop into that, but time will tell. We need to develop scorers to win games. Simple as that.

I'm not knocking SDSU by pointing out Graves, Campbell or Lofton. I was just saying that the threads talking about great shooters being one dimensional players who are better left on lesser teams is not necessarily a correct statement proven moreso by 4 players who were on ESPN last night.

[BornBredBunny]

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"We can get players like Graves and Campbell. Those are the sorts of players who are attainable for SDSU."


MilwaukeeJacksAlum: ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! You have to be kidding! All of those players are better athletes than anybody on our squad except Kai and Moss, not to mention way better shooters! These players are NOT realistic recruiting targets for us and probably won't be for years! The reason Lofton only got one offer is everybody knew he wanted to go to Kentucky and it scared them away.....Graves and Campbell aren't as good an athlete as Lofton, but do come from traditionally strong high school BB areas and may have blended in a little. However, I can guarantee if SDSU was trying to get in their living room, we would have been rebuffed!

I do agree with on our squad; no scorers.....Kai has a good chance at developing into one and Moss has the ability to become a great slasher. That's about it though....Recruiting needs to and will pick up!

[propar80]

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"We can get players like Graves and Campbell. Those are the sorts of players who are attainable for SDSU."


MilwaukeeJacksAlum: ARE YOU SERIOUS!?! You have to be kidding! All of those players are better athletes than anybody on our squad except Kai and Moss, not to mention way better shooters! These players are NOT realistic recruiting targets for us and probably won't be for years! The reason Lofton only got one offer is everybody knew he wanted to go to Kentucky and it scared them away.....Graves and Campbell aren't as good an athlete as Lofton, but do come from traditionally strong high school BB areas and may have blended in a little. However, I can guarantee if SDSU was trying to get in their living room, we would have been rebuffed!

I do agree with on our squad; no scorers.....Kai has a good chance at developing into one and Moss has the ability to become a great slasher. That's about it though....Recruiting needs to and will pick up!

Not to pick on you, but the rest of your post doesn't make it sound like you're too confident of getting much better player than SDSU did when they were D-2. Maybe I'm just reading into it a bit too much.

I don't think MJA is CRAZY(as you make it sound) to think we couldn't get that type of player. If SDSU has no chance and is redicoulous for even going after that type of player, what's the point of being d-1?

Think big...be big, I always say.

Go Jacks!!

[BornBredBunny]

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Right now, we aren't getting much better players than when we were D2! Better athletes, probably; better players, no! MJA is crazy to think we can get them now......Seriously guys, I may be a bigger Jacks fan than anybody but I also consider myself a realist. Why would high caliber, mid-major level type players not from the immediate area choose SDSU right now? We have been having a couple of bad years, the program is in turmoil, and we didn't have a conference for years! Can you blame high school kids....? I didn't think so! I expect recruiting to get better b/c the program is stabilizing, we have plenty of good young players to imporve our success on the floor and we are in a very good, respected conference finally!

[filbert]

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Right now, we aren't getting much better players than when we were D2! Better athletes, probably; better players, no!

we have plenty of good young players to improve our success on the floor

I'm having difficulty reconciling these two statements . . .

[EQguy]

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BBB its called diamonds in the rough. Thats what guys like Graves and Lofton were. They were unheralded and they have turned themselves into great players. If Coach K knew what Graves was going to be do you think there is a chance at all that he would have ended up at Butler? Those are the type of players we need. Are there any on our roster right now? I'd say yes, its just going to depend on how hard they are willing to work.

[jack power]

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I'm having difficulty reconciling these two statements . . .

Yeah, i was wondering that myself......