TV's Article on Holdren

[jackmd]

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Each side has arguments they can make. I would like to think whatever issues the players who left (maybe not Andre) had were addressed as best as they could be by our coaches and administrators. It comes down to a couple of kids who were not as committed to Coach Nagy and SDSU as they said/thought they were. At least thats the impression I've chosen to accept. Now, if you ask the players they are going to explain things from their perspective which is going to be different, not wrong just different.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Terry Vandrovec has done a phenominal job in reporting on SDSU Athletics. He has been fair in both praise and criticism. This is the first article of his that I have taken exception with.

SUPERBUNNY

I'll jump in and support Terry and explain the reason why. The timing was incidental to the overall reporting going on about our move to Division I. The Argus has committed to giving us thorough coverage because we had the guts to make the jump and they believed our decision was right. They have committed to send Terry to out of town games when possible and that is HUGE for us. But part of that commitment has been that TV would write other stories that followed up on game stories. It follows that since he was going to cover the IUPUI games and was going to have Friday off, he was able to work a stop at Illinois out and weave in a follow-up story on one of the difficulties of the transition, of which Steve was certainly a "poster boy". I haven't talked to Terry on this, but have no doubt that was the scenario and the timing had nothing to do with anything, except TV working on possible second stories beyond game stories. Nuff said.

[SFJACK]

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I'll jump in and support Terry and explain the reason why. The timing was incidental to the overall reporting going on about our move to Division I. The Argus has committed to giving us thorough coverage because we had the guts to make the jump and they believed our decision was right. They have committed to send Terry to out of town games when possible and that is HUGE for us. But part of that commitment has been that TV would write other stories that followed up on game stories. It follows that since he was going to cover the IUPUI games and was going to have Friday off, he was able to work a stop at Illinois out and weave in a follow-up story on one of the difficulties of the transition, of which Steve was certainly a "poster boy". I haven't talked to Terry on this, but have no doubt that was the scenario and the timing had nothing to do with anything, except TV working on possible second stories beyond game stories. Nuff said.

I'm happy the story was written. Now we need to support and celebrate the kids who have kept and are continuing to keep their commitment to SDSU. A quote comes to mind and I knows I'm butchering it, but here it goes; “the character of a man is not shown in victory but in defeat”

[joeboo22]

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These young men knew they weren't post season eliegible when they accepted the scholarship. I don't agree with anything you posted, but what's new.

Ya they knew that they weren't going to go to the post season but they thought they were going to win, heck I thought they were going to win then the wheels fell off and there was nothing to even look forward too you can continue to disagree with everything I say but I don't blame those kids one bit for leaving, just like I don't blame Nagy as the reason they left, they left for there own reasons and old people need to remember what it is like being a kid again being away from home for the first time not being able to go home and have your family come and watch you 2-3 times a year, I have respect for the kids that stuck it out but I don't blame anybody for leaving SDSU because of the situation they were in, you can say they knew what they were getting into but as a college kid I know most kids don't think that far ahead, another question is did SDSU explain to them what SDSU was all about how much time you have to put into your studies, how many middle of the week road games you will play and so on, I'm not pointing fingers all I am saying is there is enough blame to go around and to put all the blame on a few kids that left is totally unfair, just like it is too put all the blame on Nagy or SDSU in general, everybody had a part in the struggles and it will take everybody to bring SDSU back....... and learn how to spell eligible....

[BTownJack]

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Ya they knew that they weren't going to go to the post season but they thought they were going to win, heck I thought they were going to win then the wheels fell off and there was nothing to even look forward too you can continue to disagree with everything I say but I don't blame those kids one bit for leaving, just like I don't blame Nagy as the reason they left, they left for there own reasons and old people need to remember what it is like being a kid again being away from home for the first time not being able to go home and have your family come and watch you 2-3 times a year, I have respect for the kids that stuck it out but I don't blame anybody for leaving SDSU because of the situation they were in, you can say they knew what they were getting into but as a college kid I know most kids don't think that far ahead, another question is did SDSU explain to them what SDSU was all about how much time you have to put into your studies, how many middle of the week road games you will play and so on, I'm not pointing fingers all I am saying is there is enough blame to go around and to put all the blame on a few kids that left is totally unfair, just like it is too put all the blame on Nagy or SDSU in general, everybody had a part in the struggles and it will take everybody to bring SDSU back....... and learn how to spell eligible....

I thought you were making progress joeboo22 but this post takes the cake. First of all, you are the last person on this board or any message board that should be criticizing someone's spelling and/or grammar. And secondly, you just posted 273 words IN ONE SENTENCE (yes, I counted).

You just officially became the first person on my ignore list. Congrats!

[jackrabbit1979]

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Ya they knew that they weren't going to go to the post season but they thought they were going to win, heck I thought they were going to win then the wheels fell off and there was nothing to even look forward too you can continue to disagree with everything I say but I don't blame those kids one bit for leaving, just like I don't blame Nagy as the reason they left, they left for there own reasons and old people need to remember what it is like being a kid again being away from home for the first time not being able to go home and have your family come and watch you 2-3 times a year, I have respect for the kids that stuck it out but I don't blame anybody for leaving SDSU because of the situation they were in, you can say they knew what they were getting into but as a college kid I know most kids don't think that far ahead, another question is did SDSU explain to them what SDSU was all about how much time you have to put into your studies, how many middle of the week road games you will play and so on, I'm not pointing fingers all I am saying is there is enough blame to go around and to put all the blame on a few kids that left is totally unfair, just like it is too put all the blame on Nagy or SDSU in general, everybody had a part in the struggles and it will take everybody to bring SDSU back....... and learn how to spell eligible....

You can't be serious. Have you heard of punctuation? (It looks like someone beat me to the punch)

[Nidaros]

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What if we just move on and support the players and coaches that are currently committed to SDSU Basketball?



I think that 's a great idea let's try to stay positive, this week has been trying for many of us

especially some of the players.

Great thoughts and only relevent thoughts.
I am sure all the articles that Terry writes are not his own ideas, but are also assignments.
Terry has a boss too. Thats why I dont hold him responsible, just for doing his job, but someone else at the Argus thought it was a great idea even if it had more negative than positive overtones. How does it help SDSU to know that some one who left is now doing real well athletically at some other instittuion? Personally I could care less. I do care about guys like Wipf, Ekeland Cordova, Williams, Callahan, and all the others on the current roster. Holden? Nah, he is history as far as I am concerned.

[EQguy]

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ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Ben Beran is the epitome of what a student-athlete at SDSU represents. If there are guys on the team that don't agree with that then they are the ones we don't want on the team. I'm actually surprised such a question would be posed by any fan on this board. Borderline ridiculous.

Some thoughts on why I mentioned this:

Ben is our idea of what an SDSU student athlete should be.

Tell me how you would feel if you worked your butt off for a year and took your lumps and then some guy you don't know just walks in and decides he's taking over.

Ben has a different world of experiences from the younger guys on this team and if they don't mesh it could cause friction.

Are you truly suggesting that if Kai or Garrett don't have the same opinion of leadership as Ben that they should be gone or we shouldn't want them here?

I don't know if any of this is happening or not. I am not suggesting that we have to pick sides. I am merely inferring possibilities based on some comments from people that are close to some of the players.

[joeboo22]

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the reason I corrected spelling is because I get sick of everybody doing it to me, when they make spelling mistakes themselves..... It's a message board I don't like to talk in structural grammar because thats what I use for my term papers and I don't like writing those so I just type on here.....

Anyways I thought this was about an article not about how bad my grammar is on a message board....

[joeboo22]

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Now about the article, Terry wrote a great article. He asked the questions and got strait forward answers. Coming from a college student who lives farther then he would like from home I know how it feels, I don't want to leave but if something happened I would and I'm not even an athlete. I get sick of tired of people on this board coming on here and pretty much trashing kids who transfered out. Does anybody like when they here a kid has transfered out of any school? NO but you have to understand why they did it.... If you grew up in Illinois and your dream all your life was to play for the Illini and you had your chance I think you would too.... Lets be honest if Holdren would of had the chance out of high school to go to Illinois he would of....

[BTownJack]

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Some thoughts on why I mentioned this:

Ben is our idea of what an SDSU student athlete should be.

I'm glad we agree on that point.

Tell me how you would feel if you worked your butt off for a year and took your lumps and then some guy you don't know just walks in and decides he's taking over.

Considering Ben's situation with his father passing and the attitudes on the team that existed at the time, I wouldn't fault him for a second for leaving and then coming back. I know for a fact that if certain players had not left the team, Ben would not have returned.

Ben has a different world of experiences from the younger guys on this team and if they don't mesh it could cause friction.

Are you truly suggesting that if Kai or Garrett don't have the same opinion of leadership as Ben that they should be gone or we shouldn't want them here?

Should they be gone, I can't say that but if anyone on the team doesn't look to Ben as a leader then their priorities are not in order with that of the coaching staff.

I don't know if any of this is happening or not. I am not suggesting that we have to pick sides. I am merely inferring possibilities based on some comments from people that are close to some of the players.

I'm basing my opinions of Baren's unarguable positive impact of the SDSU men's BB team from converstations with the coaching staff.

Lastly, is the SDSU men's BB program better with or without Ben Beran? The rest of you can discuss that. You all know what my answer would be.

[rabbit_boy]

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As much of a fan of Bens that I am, you cannot sell the leadership contributions of Kai or Garrett short. Although I a, not familiar with either, people who I know and trust say they are hard working classy people. They are definately leaders on the team.

[jackmd]

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Lastly, is the SDSU men's BB program better with or without Ben Beran? The rest of you can discuss that. You all know what my answer would be.

I don't think anyone is trying to say that Ben is a detriment to the program. EQ asks an interesting question that none of us can answer. Most all of us have been in a situation where our team/colleagues/business/etc... is struggling. If you have to ask some tough questions and be open to all possibilities or you overlook things. I don't think we can assume anything.

[rabbit_boy]

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Also just want to add re: transfers. Although I am disappointed they left, who are we to say that 18-20 year olds are not aloud to make mistakes regarding attending school, living etc? Disappointment is one thing, taking personal shots at them is another.

[MontanaRabbit]

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the reason I corrected spelling is because I get sick of everybody doing it to me, when they make spelling mistakes themselves..... It's a message board I don't like to talk in structural grammar because thats what I use for my term papers and I don't like writing those so I just type on here.....

Anyways I thought this was about an article not about how bad my grammar is on a message board....

For one....it is very difficult to read and understand posts that are all jumbled together and have absolutely no structure what-so-ever.