New Assistant Coach

[Haldersham]

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Why has this thread become a vote of confidence for the head coach? I think it should be about the  the two new assistants that are to be hired. If Deryl Cunningham and  Rob Klinkefus are indeed hired as the new assistants, I will not have a problem those decisions. I believe both are well thought of by the current roster and they have also made good impressions on the adminstation as well. I think Derly's background of playing for K-State and also for the Skyforce tells what he knows about the game and the level of competiton at D1. I assume being a grad assistand he is also working on an advanced degree as is Rob. They should know by now how to read Coach Nagy. I can't say I am 100 per cent behind Coach Nagy. He did come out at the beginning before the decision to go D1 was made that he was greatly in favor of the move. I had great and high expectations from him. He has had three years to prove him self as a D1 coach and make the transition from D2 to D1. Time is running out. Thats as much and as fair as I can be at this point.  What I dont understand, is why he did not hire some one with Cunningham's background when Morgenthaler left, and instead he hired a coach who may have been very successful at D2 and NAIA, but to me he appeared to be in the dark when it came to D1. Just my opinion. I think its easy to blame players and their personalities, but the staff too has some cupability.

I dont think any coach at any institution should have a free ride indefinitely. One of the biggest mistakes at U of Nebraska Lincoln in my opinion was that they made Bob De Vaney AD based on his football coaching record. From what I have gather in the media and otherwise is that it was not a good move. UNL is a big place to begin with and when Bill Byrne became AD he had a mess to clean up. Good old Bob just had too many friends and was not an adminstrator. Bill Byrne BTW is now the AD at Texas A&M, and some big people did not like his style of trying to do things right. Many called him Dollar Bill.

[thebluehatman]

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Why has this thread become a vote of confidence for the head coach? I think it should be about the  the two new assistants that are to be hired. If Deryl Cunningham and  Rob Klinkefus are indeed hired as the new assistants, I will not have a problem those decisions. I believe both are well thought of by the current roster and they have also made good impressions on the adminstation as well. I think Derly background of playing for K-State and also for the Skyforce tells what he knows about the game and the level of competiton at D1. I assume being grad assistand he is also working on an advanced degree as is Rob. They should know by now how to read Coach Nagy. I can't say I am 100 per cent behind Coach Nagy. He did come out at the beginning before the decision to go D1 was made that he was greatly in favor of the move. I had great and high expectations from him. He has had three years to prove him self as a D1 coach and make the transition from D2 to D1. Time is running out. Thats as much and as fair as I can be at this point.  What I dont understand, is why he did not hire some one with Cunningham's background when Morgenthaler left, and instead he hired a coach who may have been very successful at D2 and NAIA, but to me he appear to be in the dark when it came to D1. Just my opinion. I think its easy to blame players and their personalities, but the staff too has some cupability.

I dont think any coach at any institution should have a free ride indefinitely. One of the biggest mistakes at U of Nebraska Lincoln in my opinion was that they made Bob De Vaney AD based on his football coaching record. From what I have gather in the media and otherwise is that it was not a good move. UNL is a big place to begin with and when Bill Byrne became AD he had a mess to clean up. Good old Bob just had too many friends and was not an adminstrator. Bill Byrne BTW is now the AD at Texas A&M, and some big people did not like his style of trying to do things right. Many called him Dollar Bill.

I think it's because a Cam Hornby lover started to attack Nagy.
It's awesome that DC and Rob get these promotions. Both great guys with good futures in coaching. Both outgoing personalities.

[gojacksgo]

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Good call bluehat. Thank you for saying what i wanted to say.....

Good luck to Larson, Klink, and Cunningham, no matter where they end up

[joeboo22]

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Cunningham was at State A's in Rapid City but he looked more like a fan rather then a recruiter did he have family participating?

[EQguy]

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What I dont understand, is why he did not hire some one with Cunningham's background when Morgenthaler left, and instead he hired a coach who may have been very successful at D2 and NAIA, but to me he appeared to be in the dark when it came to D1.

Haldersham, I will admit I was a bit in the dark as far as Jackrabbit Basketball goes, but wasn't Larson hired before the DI decision was made? I was under the impression he had been here a few years before the transition year.

[CatchEmAll]

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What I dont understand, is why he did not hire some one with Cunningham's background when Morgenthaler left, and instead he hired a coach who may have been very successful at D2 and NAIA, but to me he appeared to be in the dark when it came to D1.

Haldersham, I will admit I was a bit in the dark as far as Jackrabbit Basketball goes, but wasn't Larson hired before the DI decision was made?  I was under the impression he had been here a few years before the transition year.

Larson was hired before the transition and even before the DI move was being talked about at much lenght if I recall correctly.

Pure assumption on my part, but if the rumors are true that Larson is no longer a member of the staff then he's probably been "Ettered". In 2003 (same time I was leaving) Greg Etter was told his contract as D-Coordinator was not being renewed. He remained on the dept payroll until he found a new job, but a new coach was hired in his place and he moved out of his office. There was no public announcement except when the new coach was hired. I would suspect that there will be no announcement of Troy's leaving (if that's the case) since SDSU typically doesn't do press releases on coaches leaving under these conditions.

[Haldersham]

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According to the offical website, and also game programs, Larson was hired May 2001, but at that time, the decision to go D1 was heating up pretty good and it was pretty certain that it was to happen. The Head Basketball coach knew that as well as anyone, so whether he came a year before or a year after it really is not important now. I think Coach Nagy should not have not been so quick to pick a guy he knew from D2 days  when he knew it would be a steep hill to climb ahead of him. Why not surround yourself with the most experienced, especially D1 experience? I dont know if there was a national search back in 2001, but that too is not important now. I would hope going forward, we would try to find the best staff out there in the market that have D1 experience or aspire to be a D1 coach.

BTW joeboo22 what is a coach suppose to do at a State A tourney? Should he be wearing a bill board saying I am here to recruit? :

If you ever get a chance to watch some of the Nike tourney games in Las Vegas like I did, the stand appeared to be full of fans, until you start recognizing guys like Baheim from Syracuse. He took his staff to the game apparently, but did not even treat them to a bag of popcorn.  They were there to work.

[NorCalJack]

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According to the offical website, and also game programs, Larson was hired May 2001, but at that time, the decision to go D1 was heating up pretty good and it was pretty certain that it was to happen. The Head Basketball coach knew that as well as anyone, so whether he came a year before or a year after it really is not important now. I think Coach Nagy should not have not been so quick to pick a guy he knew from D2 days  when he knew it would be a steep hill to climb ahead of him. Why not surround yourself with the most experienced, especially D1 experience? I dont know if there was a national search back in 2001, but that too is not important now. I would hope going forward, we would try to find the best staff out there in the market that have D1 experience or aspire to be a D1 coach.

Do you really think you are going to find a D1 Assistant Coach in 2001, when the University is only talking about moving to D1 and there is still a good chance that the move to D1 may never happen? I doubt that. If a qualified Assistant D1 Coach was available, he would have had offers from Universities that were established as D1, not a University that may or may not make the move. The best chance to hire the most qualified individual at that time would have been to hire a good D2 coach that wanted the opprotunity to ride the wave from D2 to D1. That is what the department did and under the circumstances, that was a prudent decision at the time.

[Haldersham]

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[quote author=Haldersham link=1175118676/30#36 date=1175360535]According to the offical website, and also game programs, Larson was hired May 2001, but at that time, the decision to go D1 was heating up pretty good and it was pretty certain that it was to happen. The Head Basketball coach knew that as well as anyone, so whether he came a year before or a year after it really is not important now. I think Coach Nagy should not have not been so quick to pick a guy he knew from D2 days  when he knew it would be a steep hill to climb ahead of him. Why not surround yourself with the most experienced, especially D1 experience? I dont know if there was a national search back in 2001, but that too is not important now. I would hope going forward, we would try to find the best staff out there in the market that have D1 experience or aspire to be a D1 coach.

Do you really think you are going to find a D1 Assistant Coach in 2001, when the University is only talking about moving to D1 and there is still a good chance that the move to D1 may never happen?  I doubt that.  If a qualified Assistant D1 Coach was available, he would have had offers from Universities that were established as D1, not a University that may or may not make the move.  The best chance to hire the most qualified individual at that time would have been to hire a good D2 coach that wanted the opprotunity to ride the wave from D2 to D1.  That is what the department did and under the circumstances, that was a prudent decision at the time.


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Yes I do think there were D1 candidates out there and the Carr Study according to my copy of the copy on reserve at Hilton Briggs libriary is dated Febuary 1, 2002. I know for a fact that Fred Oien was sharing with staff the D1 plans as early as 2000. So going D1 was at least a campus topic in the spring of 2001.

From what I was told one of the reasons coach Larson took this job was it paid more than any other assistant in the NCC and more than what he would have gotten at Morningside. I think its ludicrious to now suggest that Coach Nagy did not know we were going D1. You would be surprised what kind of resumes would have shown up if a national search had been made at that time.  Possibly one was made, but Coach Nagy made his choice and now six years later he will have an opportunity to make more choices. Thats all I am about to say. What the future holds only the living will know.

[89rabbit]

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If you don't like the coaching staff that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but to suggest that anyone knew for sure that we were moving to D-I in 2001 is just plain revisionist history.  Go back and re-read some of the threads from this board from 2003 it was far from a done deal even then.  One of your favorite politicians (said tongue in check) that you posted a ton about was working hard to keep SDSU from moving to D-I.

That brings us back to NorCalJack's point, which I think is valid.

 
Do you really think you are going to find a D1 Assistant Coach in 2001, when the University is only talking about moving to D1 and there is still a good chance that the move to D1 may never happen?  

Go State!  

[Haldersham]

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If you don't like the coaching staff that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but to suggest that anyone knew for sure that we were moving to D-I in 2001 is just plan revisionist history.  Go back and re-read some of the threads from this board from 2003 it was far from a done deal even then.  One of your favorite politicians (said tounge in check) that you posted a ton about was working hard to keep SDSU from moving to D-I.


Go State!  

Oh yes Frank Klocheck or how ever you spell the Scotland Senator's name was very vocal, but that was his choice. So was Harry Mesheim, our good neigbhor in Brookings. His daughter breaking D1 track records kind of silenced old dad. Apparently Klouchek is well thought of in his district as has won over and over again in general elections. In Pierre, it seems to be a much different perspective of Sen Klochek and bets are often made about how many of his bills make it out of committee.

I do recall at a golf outing in Volga and maybe it was 2001, I asked Nancy Neiber if she was working on gathering D1 information. She said she was real busy and she also said and its not hard to forget as she said it with her game face in reference to the D1 study: "Its going to happen, Its going to happen." I only wish the best for the mens program. If our coaching staff can not progress, then change is needed somewhere along the line.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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I kind of lost track as to what we were debating here.  Are we talking about the new assistant coaches in this thread or a rehashing of the process of how we moved to D-1?

Kind of moot on both points isn't it?  If Larson has moved on, he has moved on!  Best of luck!

As for D-1 goes, reminds me of Tom Bowdet's comment about the www in that Motel 6 commercial where he said, "I think this internet thing is going to stick!"  Well, I think the Jacks are probably going to stay D-1!

NEXT SUBJECT PLEASE OR BACK TO THE ORIGINAL TOPIC AT LEAST!!!

SUPERBUNNY

[joeboo22]

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I've seen coaches recruit and I've seen coaches watching family members play and trust me there is a big difference.. Ususally a recruting coach has atleast a notebook and ususally a clip board, most of the time sits away from the action. Cunningham was sitting court side, non of the Madison players came and talked to him after any of the games... (atleast what I saw)

And why the hell are you making fun of senator Kloucek... He gets a lil fired up in Pierre (what does that have to do with SDSU basketball) but there was alot of people that thought SDSU was dumb for going D-I. I believe Sen Kloucek is an alum of SDSU and any alum of SDSU especually one that holds office I believe can express his opinion... if it is or isn't the same as yours.

[Haldersham]

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I've seen coaches recruit and I've seen coaches watching family members play and trust me there is a big difference.. Ususally a recruting coach has atleast a notebook and ususally a clip board, most of the time sits away from the action. Cunningham was sitting court side, non of the Madison players came and talked to him after any of the games... (atleast what I saw)

And why the hell are you making fun of senator Kloucek... He gets a lil fired up in Pierre (what does that have to do with SDSU basketball) but there was alot of people that thought SDSU was dumb for going D-I. I believe Sen Kloucek is an alum of SDSU and any alum of SDSU especually one that holds office I believe can express his opinion... if it is or isn't the same as yours.

So this means Mr. Cunningham was at the state tournament to be a fan? Now why would he do that? Gosh he must have a lot time and gas money to spend a day in Rapid being a fan. What is the drive to Rapid from Brookings? 400 miles one way?

As far as Kloucek, he embarrassed his alma mater with his anti D1 bills and what have you. Did Frank attend the WNIT games at Frost? Funny I did not see him sitting in the seats that are reserved by President Chicoine for dignataries. His embarrassment about D1 was not helpful and if people did not see him for who he was, hardly a loyal alum, SDSU might now be seeking admission to the Northern Sun along with Augie. Thats what it has to do with basketball.

To get things back on track, I said in an earlier post and will repeat it again. If both Cunningham and Kling are hired as assistants, I will not have a problem with that decision. As far as Coach Larson, good luck in your next career venture.

[joeboo22]

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First of all I asked a ? on if Cunningham was there for other reasons because he looked to be there for other then recruiting reasons, I was sitting with the Lennox crowd and one guy is like thats Cunningham he played for the skyforce and another guy was like ya hes here to watch I thought he said a guy from Sioux Valley, like they maybe releated or are family friends or something in that matter...
With Sen. Kloucek I have met Kloucek and will agree that he comes up with alot of dumb idea's... but I will say this hes won alot of re-elections in a republican district against some well liked oponents, (must be doing something right) and I don't think Frank was the only one bad mouthing SDSU for going D-I... I personally had mixed fealings but all and all am glad they made the move...

Now on track... yes this is an assistant coaching forum so did SDSU previously have 3 part-time assistants and now are just going to have 2 full time??? And Cunningham is head of recruiting right?