Dakota Wesleyan Game Thread

[1stRowFANatic]

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My take on this game is that Nagy went into in much the same fashion as NFL coaches take to exhibition games; "Let's see what you can do in these situations." Often it is to see how the players will handle doing things that you know aren't their strengths, because at some point in the year you need to see how they can do those things. So, when my pathetic 49ers have a great pre-season, I know it means nothing once the regular season comes around. When the 49ers were one of the best teams, they often had poor pre-season records. I may be looking at this game overly optimistic, but it still was pre-season/exhibition.

[Jacks-D1]

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Didn't like to hear that Berte might have a knee injury. We need his experience and height. Hope the injury bug doesn't hit the Jacks again this year.

[BTownJack]

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I'll give my two cents on the game as I saw it first hand. The first 8 minutes of the game we looked like a totally different ball club than I've seen the last 3-4 years. We had a swagger and spark to us on both ends of the floor that we just haven't seen in the past. Kia obviously came ready to play and racked up quick 8 points and then got taken out because that was Nagy's intention from the start - to see a lot of guys in different situations.

After we got up 30-13, DWU came back and starting lighting it up from everywhere. You have to give them credit for that and they played with a higher level of intensity than we did until the last couple minutes of the game.

What I was most disappointed with was our lack of effort on the defensive side of the ball the 2nd half. At times we found ourselves standing around a lot and giving up way to many easy buckets from all areas of the floor. A team like DWU should not have as many open looks from 3-pt land!!! I felt this lack of effort spilled into the offensive side as well as we seemed content to just pass the ball along the perimeter looking at DWU's zone. Nagy can say their zone neutralized our offense but when you don't try to attack the zone the fundamentals of basketball state you won't do much.

I'm going to remain optimistic and focus on the first 8 minutes of the game. Although I now our team's MO in the past is just that. Play well for portions of a game which obviously haven't gotten the job done in the past. Also, I realize we are still a very young team and until we can learn how to retain players on our roster then we are always going to be a young team. Physically we look way better than we have for years. Let's hope this group of young men can stick together and show us continuing improvement. That is all I want to see throughout this year and next. With that, I feel things will take care of themselves.

[collegewatcher]

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Blame new faces, officiating, zone defense or whatever you wish! DWU had ONE player that saw time with them last year. Nelson and Muoneke are juco transfers, Fitzgerald came from the U, and Walder and Weibe are true freshmen. The leading returning scorer and rebounder for DWU, Preston Broughton from Corsica, sat out because of a sore back.

DWU shot 25% from the 3 point line. SDSU actually outscored DWU at the line, 14 to 13. Yes, DWU shot a better percentage - a whopping 65%. SDSU took 40 free throws compared to 30 by DWU and the refs somehow held us back? We played a lot of zone last year. How did that work out? We were 6 -24.

The sky is not falling, but if SDSU is anything but embarrassed with the result, then I can not believe how far our standards have dropped.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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I'm thinking a 30 point win and we barely pull it off, that makes me wonder. I'm just saying you gotta ask for more than what we got tonight. I don't need reminders about the status of the game or excuses about the results, I just expected a blowout plain and simple. Clearly that wasn't the case. I'll say it again, I didn't have great expectations for this team and tonight they didn't meet even those. I'm concerned.

A little early for the "sky is falling" IMHO. Think: Michigan vs Appalachian State; DWU vs SDSU four or five years ago when they came over and beat us; SDSU football vs. Wisc-LaCross last year, etc. No excuses, just facts: We have a team with lots of new faces (six who played last night and didn't play with this team last year). The October date was the earliest I have ever seen SDSU basketball, which mean the coaches had two weeks of practice to try and sort this all out (NAIA doesn't have the same conditions on starting practice). The zone was very effective and Nagy pointed out that they had zero practices against a zone as they concentrated on what we do.

Yes, you have to learn to deal with the refereeing, but the refs called 16 fouls on DWU in the first half as DWU tried to deal with our physicality, and there was a clear shift late in the half by the refs to start calling them on us as if to equalize things and tone down the physical nature of our team (which will be what we need when we play a lot of teams this year -- and what was lacking last year). In the second half, they called FIVE fouls on DWU (until the last two intentional fouls by DWU as they trailed). The zone and the calls definitely evened things up.

Coaches wanted to see who played well, and with whom, so they did a lot of different lineups. When crunch time came, the team stepped it up and won the game. At the end we were playing three true freshmen and two true sophomores on the floor and looking good. Was I happy with the game...heck no...were the players happy (heck no!)

[JackJD]

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I thought I saw the attendance was just under 1900. It's a win. The coach was clearly experimenting and wasn't trying to impress anyone. We saw some problem areas and so they can further refine practices.

Here's the link to the story about the game in the Argus Leader:

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...68/1002/SPORTS

Link to the story of GoJacks.com:
http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.d...ATCLID=1300107

[bballfan54]

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Does anyone know what the attendance of the game was ?

Glad they won.

[joeboo22]

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Amen md! Dakota Wesleyan is NOT a "great NAIA team"! Their "All American" from last year was a transfer from USD, and he graduated. They have no big man at all! They played a zone, and nutrualized our big guys? Their tallest guy was 6'5"! I was looking at their roster, and they have a couple of kids that made first team all state in class B and A. One kid on that entire roster was recruited by SDSU, and that was Fitzgerald. And I am not sure how serious we were about him! DWU will be happy to finish at .500 in their conference!

I take back everything I have said the last few days about TV. We are NOT ready for prime time! And I think our rating would be TV-14, because we sure as heck don't want kids watching this!

DWU will finish top 3 in there conference they are that good of a perimitor team.... The problem with SDSU was mistakes they made a lot of them they had too many offensive fouls and didn't shoot great at all.... Cassady sat out with a bad ankle.... Nagy said Casey will most likely redshirt and expect 1 or 2 of the freshman... personally I would redshirt Moss because I think he could become a Rashad McCants like player that can shoot from the arch or take the mis match down low. Tough to judge though because they didn't run any set plays and they didn't play physical enough.... Pre-season games show whats wrong with a club and thats what it did tonight.

[collegewatcher]

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Amen md! Dakota Wesleyan is NOT a "great NAIA team"! Their "All American" from last year was a transfer from USD, and he graduated. They have no big man at all! They played a zone, and nutrualized our big guys? Their tallest guy was 6'5"! I was looking at their roster, and they have a couple of kids that made first team all state in class B and A. One kid on that entire roster was recruited by SDSU, and that was Fitzgerald. And I am not sure how serious we were about him! DWU will be happy to finish at .500 in their conference!

I take back everything I have said the last few days about TV. We are NOT ready for prime time! And I think our rating would be TV-14, because we sure as heck don't want kids watching this!

[JackJD]

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Who might have to have surgery on his ankle? I missed it....caught the tail end coming out of little boys room.

Edit: nevermind, I see in JackJD's post it's Berte's knee.

Nagy added that the docs cleared Berte to play...said he wouldn't make it worse. Sounds like a torn or rough cartiledge that can be cleaned up with scope surgery so that he'll be back in a few weeks. (Had my knee scoped a few years ago and four days later pedaled my bike on a pretty intense 26 miler -- that's not basketball but depending on what is done, the recovery time for some knee surgery is relatively short and sometimes the knee is better than new.)

[2002jack]

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Report from the Game. Sorry I'm not much of an analyst.

The team looked pretty sloppy. I was impressed by Seargent, not only his play, but his on court prescence and leadership. Palarca has quick hands, and had some impressive steals. He needs to avoid making bad passes. Moss made some atheltic plays as well.

The zone and the refs shut down our inside game. Beran had them out matched physically, but was not allowed to make any plays because the refs would call a charge. It's not his fault the defenders were physically mismatched. It was piss poor reffing.

Kai looks good again. When we run set plays, I expect most of them to be directed at setting him up to score. No plays were called tonight.

We need to make free throws.

Outside of Sargeant are three point shooting was awful as well.

I don't believe Cassidy or McKenzie got any playing time. I would expect these two are redshirting.

[jackmd]

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Umm, squeak out an exhibition win over an NAIA team and its okay. I don't like that attitude. I don't care what kind of defense you're playing or who is in the rotation you don't let a team with players that shouldn't be carrying your athletic supporter around take you down to the wire.

I'm thinking a 30 point win and we barely pull it off, that makes me wonder. I'm just saying you gotta ask for more than what we got tonight. I don't need reminders about the status of the game or excuses about the results, I just expected a blowout plain and simple. Clearly that wasn't the case. I'll say it again, I didn't have great expectations for this team and tonight they didn't meet even those. I'm concerned.

Let me rephrase a bit, I have my concerns about this team and tonight did nothing to alleviate any of them. I understand the ability of each individual player we have and I understand that there are some players returning who have some on court DI experience. However, everyone else needs to understand that none of that necessarily translates to a great or even a competitive TEAM on the court.

If someone thinks its alright for THE DI program in the state to nearly lose to an NAIA DII program, then I don't see things the way that person does. Can we recover from this miserable showing? Absolutely. Will we? Time will tell.

[RowdyRabbit]

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Who might have to have surgery on his ankle? I missed it....caught the tail end coming out of little boys room.

Edit: nevermind, I see in JackJD's post it's Berte's knee.

[JackJD]

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Nagy Post-game:

I said I wasn't going to be result-oriented this game. If I was, we would have played zone. We've been working on man-to-man stuff...most teams we'll see will play man-to-man.

Sargent...real pleased with him.

We have to be more physical inside, should've outrebounded these guys more...didn't run plays...good for our kids in a tight game, didn't want to lose, kids benefitted from this.

Palarca: He'll cause some problems (his speed). Some turnovers he forced (due to his pressure) that you didn't see

Williams: Zone neutralizes a lot of size and athletic ability. WE did that last year when overmatched, we played zone. Teams undersigned have advantage cuz can neutralize with zone.

Beran and Berte: Ben had sore ankle. Berte very nervous--he had happy feet and nervous hands. Had a knee injury and will have MRI tomorrow...concerned they'll find something in there and may need surgery and we may miss him for a month.

NEXT: U OF MARY. Have to get better on our man-to-man defense. We have to get prepared for zone because we'll see that with Mary.

Free throws: Nagy "I don't worry about that too much right now. We had jitters tonight. We are a good shooting team...shown that in practice so not going to worry about that (in the first game).

Redshirting: Saw McKenzie didn't play tonight...he's playing great in practice...but thinking about redshirting him. Before done here, will probably have one or two others (redshirts).

[joeboo22]

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Bassett 4 (0-0)
Berte 2 (2-2)
Loney 0 (0-0)
Palarca 2 (0-0)
Engen 2 (0-2)
Williams 16 (0-1)
Beran 16 (2-4)
Callahan 4 (2-3)
Moss 6 (2-6)
Cordova 2 (0-2)
Sergent 23 (6-9)
team ft's (14-29)
()= ft's


Overall I think it is hard to judge a game against a team like DWU.... The problems I saw though were we were sub 50% from the charity stripe thats pathetic no other way to describe it. Too many offensive fouls I understand that they were playing a NAIA team and it seems that the refs were officiating was at the NAIA level but you shouldn't be in a situation to foul when you are playing against 6-4 post.... DWU is a great NAIA team but they were missing Broughton (anybody know what the deal was there?) and they were still a NAIA team The zone killed SDSU the shooters needed to shoot and other then Sergent nobody did.... Its a pre-season game though and there were bright spots Kai played well Sergent showed he is for real..... Some of the guys looked trigger shy at times.