2007 Recruits

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

Re: 2007 Recruits

[quote author=thebluehatman link=1131660049/45#58 date=1146349834]lots of holes to fill up better start recruiting fast for the next 2 years.

I suspect this may be the "carrot" that bluehatman put out there on the FB thread.  Someone/several someones must be leaving the BB program.  I guess we will find out.[/quote]

I suspect you are right MD. If this is what it is, we'll all be asking questions. I only hope all the remaining players decide that SDSU is the place for them. And, if they all stick together, they'll have a very talented and good team when it's all said and done.

[thebluehatman]

Re: 2007 Recruits

as of now we have lost 4 b-ball players: mo, dre, beran, and heien. five big empty holes in the lineup with holdren's current health questioned. we currently have 9 or so players on the roster that will be eligible for pt next year plus 3 recruits but if you do the math there are 12 players minus the 2 seniors that we will lose after next spring. that leaves 10 or so players for the next year. now i don't know what is going on in the coaches offices but something serious is going wrong here.

[SDSUJack3031]

Re: 2007 Recruits

As of now we have Bassett and Cordova, and the Hoogeveen kid from Iowa. They have brought in 3 point guards: 1 from Illinios (A 6'2" player which I heard from a player that he was very very good), 1 from Kansas City (A small 5'9" kid with good quickness but I don't really know for sure how good he is), and another but I do not know about him. They are all fighting for one scholarship with the hope that the one that they offer it to will take it.
They are recruiting another 6'7" player from Canada that from what I heard is just as athletic as Andre was, but he can shoot better and can handle the ball. He is friends with Cam and that is how he found out about SDSU. Father is originally from the United States and wants him to look into going down here. He is very very low key and has skills to probably play somewhere better than SDSU. He will be visiting the weekend after finals week so hopefully everything goes good with him. Hopefully his relationship with Cam will be a big help.
I think our coaches are doing a wonderful job and I am completely behind Coach Nagy and his staff. I hope that the Bluehatman will be too.

[thebluehatman]

Re: 2007 Recruits

im 100% behind nagy, i've been behind him since i first met him at church 11 years ago as a 10 year old:P. i just wanna know whats really going on in the coaching staff something is wrong.

[JackTwice]

Re: 2007 Recruits

Blue Hat - This is twice now you have been "concerned" about what is going on with the coaching staff (first time was with D-Line coach).

My wife has a hard time seperating my bitching or complaining about co-workers with actual information or feelings about them. Could it be you have the same situation going on with a few athletes you know. They come in bitching about a coach and you hear it and report on the website there is a problem with a coach.

I don't know you or who you know. I just think that sometimes it is best to hold off coming to a forum and start writing about "problems" from a little information you gathered from a conversation or two. If it is true and there is a problem then so be it. You're 1 for 2. Otherwise I think its best from here on out to hold on or say what you really want to say.

[JackTwice]

Re: 2007 Recruits

You know what, I just re-read my post and it came off a bit condescending. Blue Hat, understand that wasn't my intent. I just feel its too easy to hear a thing or two from friends and run and post it.

Your passion for Nagy is unquestioned. Why then would you question his choices of who sits next to him?

[thebluehatman]

Re: 2007 Recruits

i guess im just questioning because of the high ratio of athletes leaving the program over the past 6 years.  i don't think there is anything wrong with the college personally.  every university has it's faults.  but i just don't get what makes the passion die so fast in these athletes.

[89rabbit]

Re: 2007 Recruits

i guess im just questioning because of the high ratio of athletes leaving the program over the past 6 years.  i don't think there is anything wrong with the college personally.  every university has it's faults.  but i just don't get what makes the passion die so fast in these athletes.

I think it is very unfair to lay athletes making choices at the feet of the program.  You can't lump them all together and say there is a problem in my opinion.  You would need to look at each individually so lets do it.

'05-'06

Berte and Gilbert have been accused of off the court issues that, even if cleared, may make there return to the program unbearable for them.  

Heien has graduated and is getting ready to get married and go to grad school, so even though he has a year of eligibility left, it appears that he is ready to move on to the next phase of his life (he was a walk on and was not even having his school paid for).

Beran's dad died in an automobile accident and his heart just isn't in college basketball anymore, who could blame him.

Keller was a walk on who never played much.  I am sure it became clear to him that he was never going to play much when the football players were getting more PT then he was.

'04-'05

Green had off the court issues.

Wenig had an injury and left school at mid-term

'03-'04

Jones has an illness that leaves him unable to play

Moeller wanted one more chance at a D-II National Championship and transferred to a D-II school.

That does seem like a lot of kids leaving the program, but once you take the time to see that their reasons for leaving are so varied it is hard to lump them all together to form an opinion about the program. I can't really recall any issues prior to '03-'04 but I am sure a kid or two left the program, for any number of reasons.  I have said it before and I will say it again I back Coach Nagy and his staff 100%.  This opinion is based not on a personal relationship with the man, we have only met a couple of times and have barely spoken, but based on his ability to run a very good program.  One of the all time great programs in D-II.  Everything will be right with Jackrabbit Men's Basketball if we allow him to do his job.  We may very well be on the verge of getting into a conference, which will make Coach Nagy's job much easier, and I can't think of a single coach that we could get that would do a better job then Coach Nagy.  The worst thing that could happen to our program is for him to leave.  Just my 2 cents.


Go State!  

[89rabbit]

Re: 2007 Recruits

As of now we have Bassett and Cordova, and the Hoogeveen kid from Iowa. They have brought in 3 point guards: 1 from Illinios (A 6'2" player which I heard from a player that he was very very good), 1 from Kansas City (A small 5'9" kid with good quickness but I don't really know for sure how good he is), and another but I do not know about him. They are all fighting for one scholarship with the hope that the one that they offer it to will take it.
They are recruiting another 6'7" player from Canada that from what I heard is just as athletic as Andre was, but he can shoot better and can handle the ball. He is friends with Cam and that is how he found out about SDSU. Father is originally from the United States and wants him to look into going down here. He is very very low key and has skills to probably play somewhere better than SDSU. He will be visiting the weekend after finals week so hopefully everything goes good with him. Hopefully his relationship with Cam will be a big help.
I think our coaches are doing a wonderful job and I am completely behind Coach Nagy and his staff. I hope that the Bluehatman will be too.

Thanks for the info, nice post.


Go State!

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: 2007 Recruits

As of now we have Bassett and Cordova, and the Hoogeveen kid from Iowa. They have brought in 3 point guards: 1 from Illinios (A 6'2" player which I heard from a player that he was very very good), 1 from Kansas City (A small 5'9" kid with good quickness but I don't really know for sure how good he is), and another but I do not know about him. They are all fighting for one scholarship with the hope that the one that they offer it to will take it.
They are recruiting another 6'7" player from Canada that from what I heard is just as athletic as Andre was, but he can shoot better and can handle the ball. He is friends with Cam and that is how he found out about SDSU. Father is originally from the United States and wants him to look into going down here. He is very very low key and has skills to probably play somewhere better than SDSU. He will be visiting the weekend after finals week so hopefully everything goes good with him. Hopefully his relationship with Cam will be a big help.
I think our coaches are doing a wonderful job and I am completely behind Coach Nagy and his staff. I hope that the Bluehatman will be too.

I hope we can land a couple of these kids for next year, i was thinking we would go more the juco route and we may still...

The fact that we are recruiting point guards makes me wonder about Cam Hornby and the position or quality the coaches have him slated in for. I guess it's never a bad thing to have two quality point guards either. I also wonder if we are trying to land a post, if not, the coaches must see something in one or both of the RS Freshman.

I don't think Blue is out of line questioning what is going on with the program, there does seem to be some discontent somewhere. Winning would solve a lot of these problems. However, in order to do that we have to be able to retain players which we are not very good at right now. I hope the upcoming news that people are speaking of isn't as bad as some of the info flying around Brookings...i just fear it might be...

[SDSUJack3031]

Re: 2007 Recruits

With 40 minutes in a game..two quality point guards will be needed. I don't think we can quesion him until we see him play. That's just speculation.

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: 2007 Recruits

With 40 minutes in a game..two quality point guards will be needed. I don't think we can quesion him until we see him play.  That's just speculation.

I agree, I have high hopes for Cam and can't wait to see him play this year...

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

Re: 2007 Recruits

[quote author=thebluehatman link=1131660049/60#66 date=1146452995]i guess im just questioning because of the high ratio of athletes leaving the program over the past 6 years.  i don't think there is anything wrong with the college personally.  every university has it's faults.  but i just don't get what makes the passion die so fast in these athletes.

I think it is very unfair to lay athletes making choices at the feet of the program.  You can't lump them all together and say there is a problem in my opinion.  You would need to look at each individually so lets do it.

'05-'06

Berte and Gilbert have been accused of off the court issues that, even if cleared, may make there return to the program unbearable for them.  

Heien has graduated and is getting ready to get married and go to grad school, so even though he has a year of eligibility left, it appears that he is ready to move on to the next phase of his life (he was a walk on and was not even having his school paid for).

Beran's dad died in an automobile accident and his heart just isn't in college basketball anymore, who could blame him.

Keller was a walk on who never played much.  I am sure it became clear to him that he was never going to play much when the football players were getting more PT then he was.

'04-'05

Green had off the court issues.

Wenig had an injury and left school at mid-term

'03-'04

Jones has an illness that leaves him unable to play

Moeller wanted one more chance at a D-II National Championship and transferred to a D-II school.

That does seem like a lot of kids leaving the program, but once you take the time to see that their reasons for leaving are so varied it is hard to lump them all together to form an opinion about the program.  I can't really recall any issues prior to '03-'04 but I am sure a kid or two left the program, for any number of reasons.  I have said it before and I will say it again I back Coach Nagy and his staff 100%.  This opinion is based not on a personal relationship with the man, we have only met a couple of times and have barely spoken, but based on his ability to run a very good program.  One of the all time great programs in D-II.  Everything will be right with Jackrabbit Men's Basketball if we allow him to do his job.  We may very well be on the verge of getting into a conference, which will make Coach Nagy's job much easier, and I can't think of a single coach that we could get that would do a better job then Coach Nagy.  The worst thing that could happen to our program is for him to leave.  Just my 2 cents.


Go State!  
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I think your right and wrong here 89. The previos two season we had two players each season leave the program. Which is not a lot, but more than you would like. If you figure there's 12 spots on a team we lost nearly 10% of that roster. No matter what the cause, that's a bad turnover rate. Now, we've most likely lost 5 with the real possibilty of losing more. That's nearly 1/2 of our roster and none to graduation. That's something University of Cinci wouldn't be proud of. I'm sorry, but something needs to be looked at. I'm not placing blame but only asking that appropriate questions be asked and reviewed. If I have a company with 12 employees and 1/2 of them leave in the span of 6 months I need to take a good hard look at what I'm doing. The worst thing to do would to assume we can't take measures to improve retention of players.

[89rabbit]

Re: 2007 Recruits

[quote author=89rabbit link=1131660049/60#67 date=1146454615][quote author=thebluehatman link=1131660049/60#66 date=1146452995]i guess im just questioning because of the high ratio of athletes leaving the program over the past 6 years.  i don't think there is anything wrong with the college personally.  every university has it's faults.  but i just don't get what makes the passion die so fast in these athletes.

I think it is very unfair to lay athletes making choices at the feet of the program.  You can't lump them all together and say there is a problem in my opinion.  You would need to look at each individually so lets do it.

'05-'06

Berte and Gilbert have been accused of off the court issues that, even if cleared, may make there return to the program unbearable for them.  

Heien has graduated and is getting ready to get married and go to grad school, so even though he has a year of eligibility left, it appears that he is ready to move on to the next phase of his life (he was a walk on and was not even having his school paid for).

Beran's dad died in an automobile accident and his heart just isn't in college basketball anymore, who could blame him.

Keller was a walk on who never played much.  I am sure it became clear to him that he was never going to play much when the football players were getting more PT then he was.

'04-'05

Green had off the court issues.

Wenig had an injury and left school at mid-term

'03-'04

Jones has an illness that leaves him unable to play

Moeller wanted one more chance at a D-II National Championship and transferred to a D-II school.

That does seem like a lot of kids leaving the program, but once you take the time to see that their reasons for leaving are so varied it is hard to lump them all together to form an opinion about the program.  I can't really recall any issues prior to '03-'04 but I am sure a kid or two left the program, for any number of reasons.  I have said it before and I will say it again I back Coach Nagy and his staff 100%.  This opinion is based not on a personal relationship with the man, we have only met a couple of times and have barely spoken, but based on his ability to run a very good program.  One of the all time great programs in D-II.  Everything will be right with Jackrabbit Men's Basketball if we allow him to do his job.  We may very well be on the verge of getting into a conference, which will make Coach Nagy's job much easier, and I can't think of a single coach that we could get that would do a better job then Coach Nagy.  The worst thing that could happen to our program is for him to leave.  Just my 2 cents.


Go State!  
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I think your right and wrong here 89.  The previos two season we had two players each season leave the program.  Which is not a lot, but more than you would like.  If you figure there's 12 spots on a team we lost nearly 10% of that roster.  No matter what the cause, that's a bad turnover rate.  Now, we've most likely lost 5 with the real possibilty of losing more.  That's nearly 1/2 of our roster and none to graduation.  That's something University of Cinci wouldn't be proud of.  I'm sorry, but something needs to be looked at.  I'm not placing blame but only asking that appropriate questions be asked and reviewed.  If I have a company with 12 employees and 1/2 of them leave in the span of 6 months I need to take a good hard look at what I'm doing.  The worst thing to do would to assume we can't take measures to improve retention of players.[/quote]

RLV,

I am willing to examine our basketball program.  What exactly would you like to examine and what are the appropriate questions?  I ask this in all seriousness.  There is no doubt that our program has experienced some recent departures, that being said I guess one would like to know how the program might have prevented their leaving given the circumstances described above.  I have asked those questions to myself and I can't really think of anything that the coaching staff might have done that would have changed things and so that is why, although frustrated with the situation, I feel there is not a program issue at hand.  I may be wrong and am willing to listen to anyone’s ideas or opinions.  After all I am just a fan who lives a few hundred miles away from our campus.

Same goes for any of the folks who advocated getting rid of Coach Nagy.  I would be all ears as to whom they would like to replace him with.  Losing is frustrating, I understand and experience that, and I know it helps to let off steam from time to time.  I ask those who post to take it to the next level and provide solutions not just identify the problems (I think most of us already know what the problems are).  Again, just my two cents.


Go State!  


P.S. I hope this didn't come across harsh, that was not my intent.  I really would like to hear other people's opinions on how (or what) they would have done things differently.  

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

Re: 2007 Recruits

89, I have no problem with your post. And I hope I didn't come off as complaining. I'm also a guy who hates when people complain about a problem rather than offer solutions. I'm not sure what the appropriate questions or solutions should be. People closer to the program will have to answer that. But I'll give it a shot: 1) Transfers. Why so many? 2) Off the court conduct of players. We've had some pretty ugly run-in's with the law and these sort of things don't just happen overnight and it's rarely "my first time smoking pot, burglarizing, etc."

These are just a couple of topics I would like discussed. I'm not asking for anyone's head. All I'm asking is that the athletic department take a look at what's happened to the program over the last 3 years. We went from one of the top programs in Division 2 to what we are now. Which is a losing program that can't retain players.