GDT: IPFW vs SDSU - Summit Semifinal

[SlapJack]

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Thanks :P I hit some combination on my keyboard that posted before I was done. The post is finished below.

[mitchellrabbit]

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Intentional or not, thanks for the laugh. I needed it this morning.

IPFW was the better team last night, period. Complaining about the refs is akin to every other team complaining about SDSU's home court advantage.

Not sure who I'll be cheering for tonight. Hard to cheer for the Bison, but a win by them is probably best for the league.

The Bison give the conference the best chance at winning a game or two next week. So i will be cheering for them. Maybe not out loud but i hope they win.

[Jacks-02]

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Larson and Heemstra tried all night to draw fouls on Forbes, with a few flops thrown in for good measure. The refs decided early on that they were going to allow the players to decide the game and were going to let it be a physical game. IPFW quickly adjusted to the refs and we didn't. All second half Carlson continued to drive to the basket with his head down and Heemstra and Larson whined about no calls down low. If nothing else, the refs were pretty consistent all night with how they called the game.

If we take care of the ball we win the game. Too many stupid turnovers on careless passes and too many lapses on defense allowing their sharpshooter wide open looks from deep.

Hopefully the team gets a shot in a postseason tourney. Heemstra was pretty emotional in talking with Tyler after the game on the radio. Would be great for those guys to get one more chance to play in front of the fans.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Don't know how my opinion can be wrong just diferrence of opinion. I say refs affected the outcome of the game you say fw played the greated defense ever and never fouled us. On a made layup carlson was clearly shoved no call still. You can say no one touched him but I saw what I saw and he was fouled more then it was called and I will stand by it.

Plus to say the refs just let them play when all season were calling those fouls and all of a sudden in one game they swallow the whistle should be an issue. Consistancy from refs is important not just in the one game bbut from game to game all season. We had more fouls most of the second half the entire way and we were not playing any more phyiscal or cause more contact but we had more ticky tack fouls called, it was not called consistant imho.

Please tell me where I said IPFW played great defense. Please find that in one of my posts. I have never said they were great defensively.

I do think FW did a pretty good job defensively. They deflected quite a few passes that caused some of the turnovers.

Fouls called: FW:14 SDSU:13. That's not consistent!


I absolutely HATE people blaming the refs when we lose. Hate it. People who have no clue about the game of basketball blame the refs because it's easy.

[Nidaros]

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Thanks :P I hit some combination on my keyboard that posted before I was done. The post is finished below.

Did you make your post about the observations of ORU in another thread in error? It happens to all of us. I am curious to read what you report overhearing.

[Nidaros]

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Larson and Heemstra tried all night to draw fouls on Forbes, with a few flops thrown in for good measure. The refs decided early on that they were going to allow the players to decide the game and were going to let it be a physical game. IPFW quickly adjusted to the refs and we didn't. All second half Carlson continued to drive to the basket with his head down and Heemstra and Larson whined about no calls down low. If nothing else, the refs were pretty consistent all night with how they called the game.

If we take care of the ball we win the game. Too many stupid turnovers on careless passes and too many lapses on defense allowing their sharpshooter wide open looks from deep.

Hopefully the team gets a shot in a postseason tourney. Heemstra was pretty emotional in talking with Tyler after the game on the radio. Would be great for those guys to get one more chance to play in front of the fans.

That Forbes is a human tank. I would hate to be playing post against him.

[goon]

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That Forbes is a human tank. I would hate to be playing post against him.

Him and marshall will be a battle. Espicially if the refs "let them play" like in our game.

[goon]

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Please tell me where I said IPFW played great defense. Please find that in one of my posts. I have never said they were great defensively.

I do think FW did a pretty good job defensively. They deflected quite a few passes that caused some of the turnovers.

Fouls called: FW:14 SDSU:13. That's not consistent!


I absolutely HATE people blaming the refs when we lose. Hate it. People who have no clue about the game of basketball blame the refs because it's easy.

Even number of fouls called does not equate to consistancy in number of fouls not called. Or should have been called. I hate it when people argue others opinions. There is no where that I have read that gives refs the freedom to get rid of the rule book to "just let them play". My point is the refs were not consistant from game to game. This game was not consitent with how regular season games were called and that affected the outcome no matter how much you hate my opnion.

[OldHare]

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The refs made me hoot a few boos. However, it was still turnovers that was the most costly to the Jackrabbits. There were a few too many forced plays to the bucket that did not convert. Occasionally, we rushed down court for a quick easy shot that resulted in a poor shot or turnover. It has been a good tournament to watch most of the time and the men have the #1 seed playing the #2 seed as the dust settles. even with the Jackrabbits done for the week, the tournament was a success for the Summit which means I will have the luxury of being an hour from the arena.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Even number of fouls called does not equate to consistancy in number of fouls not called. Or should have been called. I hate it when people argue others opinions. There is no where that I have read that gives refs the freedom to get rid of the rule book to "just let them play". My point is the refs were not consistant from game to game. This game was not consitent with how regular season games were called and that affected the outcome no matter how much you hate my opnion.

Bottom line, SDSU didn't get it done. We had opportunities, and didn't get it done. It was a disappointing day, but what purpose does it serve to continue to question a few whistles or non-whistles in a 40 minute game?

[back it up jack]

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Don't know how my opinion can be wrong just diferrence of opinion. I say refs affected the outcome of the game you say fw played the greated defense ever and never fouled us. On a made layup carlson was clearly shoved no call still. You can say no one touched him but I saw what I saw and he was fouled more then it was called and I will stand by it.

Plus to say the refs just let them play when all season were calling those fouls and all of a sudden in one game they swallow the whistle should be an issue. Consistancy from refs is important not just in the one game bbut from game to game all season. We had more fouls most of the second half the entire way and we were not playing any more phyiscal or cause more contact but we had more ticky tack fouls called, it was not called consistant imho.

This is the playoffs, Refs are not gonna call every little bump. Watch any college playoff game and you will see that they are not called as close as the regular season games. Most of the turn overs were just bad passes where we were trying to force the issue. When you turn the ball over as much as we did its damn hard to win a game. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the 2 most important things in a basketball game are rebounding and turn overs. If you win those two stat columns you put yourself in a great position to win. We were almost dead even In all but 3 categories. Rebounds: SDSU 36 IPFW 29 (we won). Turn overs: SDSU 18, IPFW 11 (we lost). Points off TO: SDSU 12, IPFW 22. That stat line right there is why we lost the game. Cut the turnovers and points off turnovers in half and we win.

[goon]

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Bottom line, SDSU didn't get it done. We had opportunities, and didn't get it done. It was a disappointing day, but what purpose does it serve to continue to question a few whistles or non-whistles in a 40 minute game?

That in a close game those non calls affect the game more. We expect both teams to play at a high level. I'm not going to appoligize for thr refs having a sub par effort. Refs letting them play is an excuse no other way about it. If its a foul its a foul its a foul and when its not called it needs to be pointed out.

[goon]

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This is the playoffs, Refs are not gonna call every little bump. Watch any college playoff game and you will see that they are not called as close as the regular season games. Most of the turn overs were just bad passes where we were trying to force the issue. When you turn the ball over as much as we did its damn hard to win a game. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the 2 most important things in a basketball game are rebounding and turn overs. If you win those two stat columns you put yourself in a great position to win. We were almost dead even In all but 3 categories. Rebounds: SDSU 36 IPFW 29 (we won). Turn overs: SDSU 18, IPFW 11 (we lost). Points off TO: SDSU 12, IPFW 22. That stat line right there is why we lost the game. Cut the turnovers and points off turnovers in half and we win.

Thank you for making my point. Refs did not call this game consitently as they would have during the season.

[MontanaRabbit]

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[back it up jack]

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They never have and they never will. I personally hate the new rules and thoroughly enjoyed watching all of the tournament games so far because its a physical battle. the refs did not turn the ball over for us, we did it ourselves. Go ahead and blame the refs for this game, but you and I both know that we didn't play well enough to win that game. There is a reason they call it March MADNESS!! its a win or go home situation. Either show up and play or watch someone else play on. If we would have won and another team would have used the excuses that we are using, we would have been all over them about sucking it up and telling them to quit whining. We were so concentrated on talking to the refs to give us a call that we didn't adjust to the game. If the game would have been called close and we still lost we would have complained about all of the soft fouls that were called. At the end of the day the loss falls on our shoulders. we control our own fate. We can either face that reality or we can cry wolf and live in pitty and blame. I for one am gonna call it what it is and get ready for next year. We are gonna be back to re-claim that summit championship.