GDT: IPFW vs SDSU - Summit Semifinal

[RabbitObsessed]

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Don't know how my opinion can be wrong just diferrence of opinion.

Opinions can be very wrong. "In my opinion, slavery didn't have much effect on the Civil War." "In my opinion, this whole cell phone thing really hasn't changed much about life." "In my opinion, every NFL team should have four players over the age of 65."

Just saying something is your opinion doesn't give you impunity from being wrong.

[Hammersmith]

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Montana Jack:
I have never heard the term flopping, or if its been used on ESPN, I have never picked up on it, but then I don't spend my evenings watch ESPN. Would you mind defining that term? I assume it's something with post playing.

This is what happens if a college player gets a reputation for flopping and plays an away game at a school with a coordinated student section:

[JackFan96]

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Well, I might as well add my two cents, though much of it you've heard before. Among the factors that determined this game were 1) Three-point shooting, 2) Turnovers and 3) Officiating. We couldn't throw it in the ocean. And sometimes we just abandoned the outside game completely. And, excuse me that I can't remember the FW kid's name who was draining threes, but...get a hand in his face, eh? Now, that said, I think my numbers 2 and 3 are, to an extent, related. I thought the officiating was nothing shy of an embarrassment to the league. It was laughable...all-around laughable. Allowing a physical game is one thing, but it's amazing nobody was injured last night. And to choose to officiate a game in a manner that overtly favors one team seems wrong to me. That said, it was clear from the first possession they were going to let 'em bang. And so for Carlson to continue to drive as he did and expect to get a call was pretty unwise. He was occasionally out of control. But mostly he was looking for a call that was not coming. Was he hit? Yeah, probably every time he drove. But he should have eventually figured it out. Jordan clearly didn't have the game he needed to have. Wish we would have green-lighted more outside looks for him. Anyhow, a fair number of our turnovers were pure sloppiness...especially those resulting from us trying to push the ball inside early. But some others were the result of substantial contact that, outside of the NBA, is usually called. So, yes, I do think the refs impacted the outcome of the game. There was the physical nature, which was one thing, then there was the general ineptitude...the inconsistent backcourt call on the steal in the last minute; the ref needing to move out of the way of a kid who was two feet out of bounds, but not making that call; bad charge calls on both ends; a no-call when we went to the hoop, then when they subsequently went in transition, a whistle on far less contact; the instance where one of our guys was literally tossed to the ground in the backcourt....caught from behind and thrown down. All of those and more. I am not one to rag on officials very often...on a single call, maybe, but not on their body of work for whole game. Conversely, I am often very hard on coaches and players. Hey, it's one thing to have the student section and coaches and a few knuckleheads ragging on the officials. Happens all the time. But when 5,500 people are letting you have it over and over and over again, there's probably something to it. And I think there was last night. Maybe the worst thing, or the thing that at least looked worst, was when two of the refs were in the Fort Wane huddle after a rough call and they're chatting and laughing away. Never seen that before. It was, at minimum, unwise and only stoked the fire. Anyhow, there's my rant. Had to get it out of the system. As another person said, maybe yesterday will get people to stop whining about the tournament being in Sioux Falls. That gets old in a hurry. The other cities are certainly welcome to submit bids if they think they can do a better job or sell more tickets or bring in more revenue. Nothing stopping them. Until then...zip it.

[witness]

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The game last night was more physical than a Bulls game

[TK22867]

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(Rolls eyes, goes off to meditate upon the sad lack of reading/context comprehension in modern society)

Were you referring to someone else, or am I completely missing the boat?

Everyone knows where I stand on Dykstra so you knew this was coming. Dykstra exited the tournament in Game 1 when he had his first 3 point shot attempt blocked into the stands. He was never the same. Last night, he passed up multiple open shots, and really only shot when the shot clock was running down, or had a put back underneath. I wanted Dykstra to show me he belonged in a class with the greats by taking this team on his back and making a run this tourney. He did not.

Heemstra on the other hand could play on my team any day of the week. He might not be the most physically gifted talent we have, but he plays with heart. If some of our players had one tenth of the heart of Heemstra, they'd be All-American by now.

The officiating? I could live with the physical play. My only issues were the black and white non-out-of-bounds calls. In the 2nd half, the IPFW player drove baseline near their bench and in 2 consecutive steps stepped on the black line. Not once, but twice. Everyone on our end saw it, but not the official right there. Must have been the black shoes on the black line that confused his cones and rods.

With that in mind, we lost because of how we played, not because of the officiating.

[bigticket1]

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Maybe the worst thing, or the thing that at least looked worst, was when two of the refs were in the Fort Wane huddle after a rough call and they're chatting and laughing away. Never seen that before. It was, at minimum, unwise and only stoked the fire..

One other thing about the officials that bothered me was something I had never seen before last night. Early in pre-game warmups , the lead official was standing near mid-court and as the Fort Wayne players were running past in their layup line , many of them were shaking hands and joking with him. Maybe I have just missed it before , but I have never seen an official interact with players like that before a game other than when they meet with the captains. Probably had nothing to do with the way they called the game , but it certainly didn't look good.

[RowdyRabbit]

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The officiating? I could live with the physical play. My only issues were the black and white non-out-of-bounds calls. In the 2nd half, the IPFW player drove baseline near their bench and in 2 consecutive steps stepped on the black line. Not once, but twice. Everyone on our end saw it, but not the official right there. Must have been the black shoes on the black line that confused his cones and rods.

With that in mind, we lost because of how we played, not because of the officiating.

As with the foul calls and non-calls, the out of bounds calls go both ways too. I can remember one specific instance (granted watching on tv so with replay) IPFW (Mo Evans) got whistled out of bounds saving a ball, but was still in the air a good six inches when he saved the ball.

[BisonBohl]

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Clearly the refs had it out for you, those damn Dons!

In all seriousness the refs didn't cost you the game, not grauding Mo Evans in the first half, turnovers, and poor outside shooting did. You guys made run but credit to FW they made a play when things got dicey...

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[Nidaros]

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Clearly the refs had it out for you, those damn Dons!

In all seriousness the refs didn't cost you the game, not grauding Mo Evans in the first half, turnovers, and poor outside shooting did. You guys made run but credit to FW they made a play when things got dicey...

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Mo Evans is a name we should all get to know. I believe he is only a freshman. We did tighten up on him. If memory serves me right, he got only one second half 3.

[BisonBohl]

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Mo Evans is a name we should all get to know. I believe he is only a freshman.

He is, kid is terrific and can light it up. Hoping we guard him tonight.

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[SUPERBUNNY]

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That was a rough day to be a Jackrabbit fan but every day is a good day to be a Jackrabbit.

We've been very spoiled over the last few years. It was such a weird feeling that the tournament was done for both SDSU teams on Monday. That was a new thing for all of us.

As for the men's game. A tip of the cap to IPFW. They played hard and played well from the opening tip. We made some good runs to get back into it but they responded every time. It just wasn't our day. Poor shooting, turnovers, and defensive lapses were too much to overcome. They fought hard the whole way, just didn't get it done. The zebras were terrible but I refuse to make them the reason we lost. We had 4 seniors and a junior on the court and we looked like the young team last night. That surprised me. I fully expected the Jacks to start quick and win the game.

I hate to see individual players singled out. Sure, some of them didn't have the game they wanted but everyone gave 100%. I'm proud of this team for battling through a lot of stuff and having a good season. The most impressive thing is how good these men are off the court. Their impact will be very lasting!

Thanks men, it was a fun ride!

SUPERBUNNY

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Were you referring to someone else, or am I completely missing the boat?

Everyone knows where I stand on Dykstra so you knew this was coming. Dykstra exited the tournament in Game 1 when he had his first 3 point shot attempt blocked into the stands. He was never the same. Last night, he passed up multiple open shots, and really only shot when the shot clock was running down, or had a put back underneath. I wanted Dykstra to show me he belonged in a class with the greats by taking this team on his back and making a run this tourney. He did not.

Heemstra on the other hand could play on my team any day of the week. He might not be the most physically gifted talent we have, but he plays with heart. If some of our players had one tenth of the heart of Heemstra, they'd be All-American by now.

The officiating? I could live with the physical play. My only issues were the black and white non-out-of-bounds calls. In the 2nd half, the IPFW player drove baseline near their bench and in 2 consecutive steps stepped on the black line. Not once, but twice. Everyone on our end saw it, but not the official right there. Must have been the black shoes on the black line that confused his cones and rods.

With that in mind, we lost because of how we played, not because of the officiating.

Totally. I mean, what sane person wouldn't question the heart of a kid who showed up to a media session this week with two black eyes and a missing tooth. He probably got those shiners because he wasn't trying hard enough. Good grief.

Just a hunch, but I would guess Marcus would disagree with your assessment of Dykstra.

[TK22867]

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Totally. I mean, what sane person wouldn't question the heart of a kid who showed up to a media session this week with two black eyes and a missing tooth. He probably got those shiners because he wasn't trying hard enough. Good grief.

Just a hunch, but I would guess Marcus would disagree with your assessment of Dykstra.

We get it. You are a Dykstra homer. Good grief. Totally. New rule: Black eyes and missing tooth = measurement of effort.

[Bozemaniac]

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Clearly the refs had it out for you, those damn Dons!

And here I thought our home court advantage forced the refs to do everything for us.

[bigticket1]

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We get it. You are a Dykstra homer. Good grief. Totally. New rule: Black eyes and missing tooth = measurement of effort.

I think if we took a poll , you would be in the minority on this one.