GDT: IPFW vs SDSU - Summit Semifinal

[goon]

Re: GDT: IPFW vs SDSU - Summit Semifinal

Carlson was COMPLETELY out of control on everyone of those plays. Every. Single. One. He didnt deserve to draw a foul.

Saying the reason we lost is due to the refs is sour grapes. Plain and simple.

We rag on NDSU for blaming the refs and then you bring that crap here. Ask Nagy if the refs cost us that game.

Poor 3pt shooting cost us the game. Crappy officals surely affected the game.....and about 5000 fans at the arena saw it the way I did too. There was contact reaching in and not every single time he was out of control. Fast break going in guy behind hims grabs his arm as he is trying to get shot up and called for a travel. Larson was a turnover machine and dykstra forgot to show up which he does from time to time. Go ask carlson if he thought some of those should have been fouls. Seemed clear to me more then enough contact or reaching etc happened to warrent a foul. When it prohibited his abililty to move or shoot that's a foul imho. Maybe we were watching different games. Maybe through my yellow and blue glasses I didn't see how amazinf fw was on defense to only commit 4-5 fouls trough most of the game.

[Nidaros]

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Poor 3pt shooting cost us the game. Crappy officals surely affected the game.....and about 5000 fans at the arena saw it the way I did too. There was contact reaching in and not every single time he was out of control. Fast break going in guy behind hims grabs his arm as he is trying to get shot up and called for a travel. Larson was a turnover machine and dykstra forgot to show up which he does from time to time. Go ask carlson if he thought some of those should have been fouls. Seemed clear to me more then enough contact or reaching etc happened to warrent a foul. When it prohibited his abililty to move or shoot that's a foul imho. Maybe we were watching different games. Maybe through my yellow and blue glasses I didn't see how amazinf fw was on defense to only commit 4-5 fouls trough most of the game.

I think the Midco announcers had it right in that they said that the officals let them play, and Forbes picked up on that signal quickly and that why he got a way with a bunch of stuff in the paint. Our guys lost the game, not the officals. Way too many turnovers, and we played tight again.

[JimmyJack]

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The last time we played IPFW in Brookings, I thought it was the best officiated game of the year... because they let them play. I didn't have any problem with the officials last night. There were plenty of fouls that weren't called both ways. Players adjust. Steve Forbes certainly did. It wasn't the officiating. The unforced errors cost us the game. Sitting here now I can picture six or seven straight up dumb passes, many of them from the high post. Combine that with several unbelievable defensive lapses where we let #5 get away for unguarded 3's, and the result is a foregone conclusion. In a game that came down to one or two possessions, giving up five wide open threes to a player everyone knew is a great shooter is just unforgivable.

I credit the Jacks for showing a lot of grit and toughness to claw back into it, but with our short bench, we looked tired in the second half.

And let's give credit where it is due: IPFW is a tough, talented group. NDSU is going to roll them, but IPFW had a great year and Jasick is a good coach, a guy to watch I'd say.

Finally, I have been as bad as anybody as far as dogging on Dykstra for his disappearing act. But the guy has always played hard. It seems like his confidence gets shaken and obviously last night the Jacks were fixated on going to the basket rather than shooting 3s. I think Dykstra plays better when he's at the 3-point line than when he puts the ball on the floor, so the game plan didn't play into his strengths last night. He passed up a bunch of 3s in favor of attempts to get to the basket.

Last word: I think the younger players learned a few things this year from the starters about being tough. Larson is a tough guy. Carlson showed a ton of toughness all year. Bittle and Heemstra always show up and brawl.

Next year will be interesting. It'll be a rebuilding year, but with Bittle and Larson along with some new guys, I'm betting Nagy will have them playing well by tournament time.

[Nidaros]

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The last time we played IPFW in Brookings, I thought it was the best officiated game of the year... because they let them play. I didn't have any problem with the officials last night. There were plenty of fouls that weren't called both ways. Players adjust. Steve Forbes certainly did. It wasn't the officiating. The unforced errors cost us the game. Sitting here now I can picture six or seven straight up dumb passes, many of them from the high post. Combine that with several unbelievable defensive lapses where we let #5 get away for unguarded 3's, and the result is a foregone conclusion. In a game that came down to one or two possessions, giving up five wide open threes to a player everyone knew is a great shooter is just unforgivable.

I credit the Jacks for showing a lot of grit and toughness to claw back into it, but with our short bench, we looked tired in the second half.

And let's give credit where it is due: IPFW is a tough, talented group. NDSU is going to roll them, but IPFW had a great year and Jasick is a good coach, a guy to watch I'd say.

Finally, I have been as bad as anybody as far as dogging on Dykstra for his disappearing act. But the guy has always played hard. It seems like his confidence gets shaken and obviously last night the Jacks were fixated on going to the basket rather than shooting 3s. I think Dykstra plays better when he's at the 3-point line than when he puts the ball on the floor, so the game plan didn't play into his strengths last night. He passed up a bunch of 3s in favor of attempts to get to the basket.

Last word: I think the younger players learned a few things this year from the starters about being tough. Larson is a tough guy. Carlson showed a ton of toughness all year. Bittle and Heemstra always show up and brawl.

Next year will be interesting. It'll be a rebuilding year, but with Bittle and Larson along with some new guys, I'm betting Nagy will have them playing well by tournament time.

No doubt we will miss the seniors. Thinking about next year at point in time is an interesting thought. When we add George Marshall at mid season, I think he will be an additional angle for SL opponents to consider. I, too like the IPFW coach. He looks to have a future.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Poor 3pt shooting cost us the game. Crappy officals surely affected the game.....and about 5000 fans at the arena saw it the way I did too. There was contact reaching in and not every single time he was out of control. Fast break going in guy behind hims grabs his arm as he is trying to get shot up and called for a travel. Larson was a turnover machine and dykstra forgot to show up which he does from time to time. Go ask carlson if he thought some of those should have been fouls. Seemed clear to me more then enough contact or reaching etc happened to warrent a foul. When it prohibited his abililty to move or shoot that's a foul imho. Maybe we were watching different games. Maybe through my yellow and blue glasses I didn't see how amazinf fw was on defense to only commit 4-5 fouls trough most of the game.

So you just pointed out about a half dozen things that cost us the game last night that our players could directly influence. However, you still think it's on the officials. You are wrong. Just plain wrong.

The officials let them play last night. They were consistent the whole game. It doesn't make one bit of difference if some of the plays last night are "usually" fouls. The officiating crew made it clear from the get-go they were going to let them play. IPFW adjusted better to how the game was being called then we did.

How many times did Marcus and Cody flop when Forbes was backing them down? 6-8? How many times was it called? None. Yet they kept doing it and giving the guy a free bucket. Those weren't fouls last night yet we kept flopping. That's NOT on the officials. That's on the players.

LOL at you thinking the play where Carlson traveled on the break was a foul. I had the benefit of watching the replay. He was completely out of control and almost fell down. He didn't get fouled on that play. Carlson created the contact with the defense after he took a couple extra steps. When Carlson puts his head down and just went towards the hoop reckless abandoned he wasn't going to draw a foul last night. No way no how. Several times Carlson was driving and looking at the floor. That's a bad basketball play by a senior who was trying to do too much.

Players need to adjust to how the game is played and we did not do a very good job of that last night. IPFW played a tough game and I give them credit. It's just really sad you have to go all NDSU and blame the refs. For every foul that wasn't called on FW there was a foul on the other end that wasn't called on SDSU.

[MontanaRabbit]

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The last time we played IPFW in Brookings, I thought it was the best officiated game of the year... because they let them play. I didn't have any problem with the officials last night. There were plenty of fouls that weren't called both ways. Players adjust. Steve Forbes certainly did. It wasn't the officiating. The unforced errors cost us the game. Sitting here now I can picture six or seven straight up dumb passes, many of them from the high post. Combine that with several unbelievable defensive lapses where we let #5 get away for unguarded 3's, and the result is a foregone conclusion. In a game that came down to one or two possessions, giving up five wide open threes to a player everyone knew is a great shooter is just unforgivable.

I credit the Jacks for showing a lot of grit and toughness to claw back into it, but with our short bench, we looked tired in the second half.

And let's give credit where it is due: IPFW is a tough, talented group. NDSU is going to roll them, but IPFW had a great year and Jasick is a good coach, a guy to watch I'd say.

Finally, I have been as bad as anybody as far as dogging on Dykstra for his disappearing act. But the guy has always played hard. It seems like his confidence gets shaken and obviously last night the Jacks were fixated on going to the basket rather than shooting 3s. I think Dykstra plays better when he's at the 3-point line than when he puts the ball on the floor, so the game plan didn't play into his strengths last night. He passed up a bunch of 3s in favor of attempts to get to the basket.

Last word: I think the younger players learned a few things this year from the starters about being tough. Larson is a tough guy. Carlson showed a ton of toughness all year. Bittle and Heemstra always show up and brawl.

Next year will be interesting. It'll be a rebuilding year, but with Bittle and Larson along with some new guys, I'm betting Nagy will have them playing well by tournament time.

This^. Exactly this^.

The officials were consistent both ways. There were fouls that weren't called BOTH WAYS. However, our turnovers are what ultimately cost us the game.

[Nidaros]

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Montana Jack:
I have never heard the term flopping, or if its been used on ESPN, I have never picked up on it, but then I don't spend my evenings watch ESPN. Would you mind defining that term? I assume it's something with post playing.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Montana Jack:
I have never heard the term flopping, or if its been used on ESPN, I have never picked up on it, but then I don't spend my evenings watch ESPN. Would you mind defining that term? I assume it's something with post playing.

When a player falls down to try to draw a charge when the contact was minimal. It's an acting job to try to draw a charge. The NBA has a no flopping rule now I believe. Think a guy can actually get a technical for it, but some of the NBA guys probably know the rule better than I.

[Nidaros]

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When a player falls down to try to draw a charge when the contact was minimal. It's an acting job to try to draw a charge. The NBA has a no flopping rule now I believe. Think a guy can actually get a technical for it, but some of the NBA guys probably know the rule better than I.

Thanks, I guess I have not paid much attention to terminology. Maybe its needed in college.

[SlapJack]

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I sat by athletic staff from Western Ill and Oral Roberts during the game last night, and without having a horse in the race, here are a few observations they made during the game:

At halftime:
- SDSU only had 3 fouls? Look for the refs to be pickier in the 2nd half.
- Carlson is initiating contact on his drives and getting fouls. If he's going to get fouls in the 2nd half, the refs will make him earn it. It has to be a clear defensive foul.

In general:
- Charge against Forbes drawn by White (?) was a horrible call. White's heels were on the circle under the hoop.
- Forbes is an easy target for fouls because he is so big. The refs are letting them play, and Larson is giving as much as he is taking.
- Both these teams play tough defense. Dykstra and Jacobo combined for 2 pts in the 1st half. Dykstra finished with 9; Jacobo 6. These guys were averaging around 15/gm.
- Impressed with Bittle's grit.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I agree. One game should define his career. +rep

Must spread rep.

[RowdyRabbit]

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I sat by athletic staff from Western Ill and Oral Roberts during the game last night, and without having a horse in the race, here are a few observations they made:

At halftime:

?

So they didn't say anything one way or the other then?

[MontanaRabbit]

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I sat by athletic staff from Western Ill and Oral Roberts during the game last night, and without having a horse in the race, here are a few observations they made:

At halftime:

Very astute observations!

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I sat by athletic staff from Western Ill and Oral Roberts during the game last night, and without having a horse in the race, here are a few observations they made:

At halftime:

Intentional or not, thanks for the laugh. I needed it this morning.

IPFW was the better team last night, period. Complaining about the refs is akin to every other team complaining about SDSU's home court advantage.

Not sure who I'll be cheering for tonight. Hard to cheer for the Bison, but a win by them is probably best for the league.

[goon]

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So you just pointed out about a half dozen things that cost us the game last night that our players could directly influence. However, you still think it's on the officials. You are wrong. Just plain wrong.

The officials let them play last night. They were consistent the whole game. It doesn't make one bit of difference if some of the plays last night are "usually" fouls. The officiating crew made it clear from the get-go they were going to let them play. IPFW adjusted better to how the game was being called then we did.

How many times did Marcus and Cody flop when Forbes was backing them down? 6-8? How many times was it called? None. Yet they kept doing it and giving the guy a free bucket. Those weren't fouls last night yet we kept flopping. That's NOT on the officials. That's on the players.

LOL at you thinking the play where Carlson traveled on the break was a foul. I had the benefit of watching the replay. He was completely out of control and almost fell down. He didn't get fouled on that play. Carlson created the contact with the defense after he took a couple extra steps. When Carlson puts his head down and just went towards the hoop reckless abandoned he wasn't going to draw a foul last night. No way no how. Several times Carlson was driving and looking at the floor. That's a bad basketball play by a senior who was trying to do too much.

Players need to adjust to how the game is played and we did not do a very good job of that last night. IPFW played a tough game and I give them credit. It's just really sad you have to go all NDSU and blame the refs. For every foul that wasn't called on FW there was a foul on the other end that wasn't called on SDSU.

Don't know how my opinion can be wrong just diferrence of opinion. I say refs affected the outcome of the game you say fw played the greated defense ever and never fouled us. On a made layup carlson was clearly shoved no call still. You can say no one touched him but I saw what I saw and he was fouled more then it was called and I will stand by it.

Plus to say the refs just let them play when all season were calling those fouls and all of a sudden in one game they swallow the whistle should be an issue. Consistancy from refs is important not just in the one game bbut from game to game all season. We had more fouls most of the second half the entire way and we were not playing any more phyiscal or cause more contact but we had more ticky tack fouls called, it was not called consistant imho.