GDT:IPFW vs SDSU

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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This will really get some people riled up. But if SDSU wants a full and rowdy student section, requiring pre-registration for "student season tickets" might do it. Create some kind of seniority system, and kids that get tickets would likely try to get someone to go in their place if they've paid a small fee to pre-register.

The few schools that have crazy student sections do this really effectively.

[jack power]

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FWIW, at this point attendance is down for every school in the Summit compared to last year.

[bigticket1]

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Its not like season ticket holders use those seats every game either so many times they are still wasted seats. Wonder why there is often student apathy. the admin is just as much to blame as the students IMHO.

I often wonder why the Athletic Dept. hasn't figured out a way to get bodies in those good season ticket seats when the owners aren't going to use them. Season ticket holders could "gift" those seats back when they know in advance that they will not be using them. Those tickets could then be "resold" to the walk-up crowd. The University basically sells the same seat twice. Results in more ticket sale income , and the size of the walk-up crowd could increase because they have a chance to get really good seats. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

[witness]

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Id argue the Jacks seating for the student section is one of the worst

[SUPERBUNNY]

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I often wonder why the Athletic Dept. hasn't figured out a way to get bodies in those good season ticket seats when the owners aren't going to use them. Season ticket holders could "gift" those seats back when they know in advance that they will not be using them. Those tickets could then be "resold" to the walk-up crowd. The University basically sells the same seat twice. Results in more ticket sale income , and the size of the walk-up crowd could increase because they have a chance to get really good seats. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

That's an interesting idea. Hopefully someone picks up on that.

I really thought moving the students to the ends was going to be a positive move. It may be too early to tell. I would have loved being in the end and being able to yell, wave hands, and coordinate things to distract the other team. Also, my hope was that by having kids on both ends making noise it might breath a little life into us old farts in the high backs. So far, not so much but it can get better. Its a choice each fan makes.

I am surprised that there aren't more students.

SUPERBUNNY

[goon]

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Moving the students didn't create the apathy. There was student apathy before the seating change, and I would argue it was there before the DI move. There used to be LOADS of non-students sitting in the student section (I was one of them). The front of the student section was rowdy, but the middle was pretty much like sitting in GA. Then SDSU started to enforce that it was actually students sitting there (I was turned away for not having ID once), and suddenly there was all kinds of space.

Maybe we should just give students a free pass to sit anywhere in the arena, displacing whatever season ticket holders they want to. Then I bet they would show up in droves. /s

I don't doubt for a second that seating plays a part in low student turnout. But it isn't the cure-all for improving student attendance by a long shot. Right or wrong, I don't think the athletic department really cares how many students show up. They care how many season ticket sales they can have, since student fees are fixed regardless of how many show up. Its disappointing, but not much is going to happen with it.

If they ever care to get new season ticket holders they should care. I never said the seating change caused the apathy, its been apart of the student body for a long time, but it sure did not help it any. There were plenty of times where students complained about non students in the student section, taking seats or having fans in the upper section yell at students to sit down because they coudlnt see while sitting, there have been plently of changes and things that affected SDSU from buidling a culture of students. The Admin better hope the teams stay at the top of the league because we all know that if the mens team reverts back to its transition kind of play that season ticket holders will stop buying tickets too.

[goon]

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I often wonder why the Athletic Dept. hasn't figured out a way to get bodies in those good season ticket seats when the owners aren't going to use them. Season ticket holders could "gift" those seats back when they know in advance that they will not be using them. Those tickets could then be "resold" to the walk-up crowd. The University basically sells the same seat twice. Results in more ticket sale income , and the size of the walk-up crowd could increase because they have a chance to get really good seats. Seems like a win-win situation to me.

thats not a bad idea. are there places that do somethng similar? wonder how hard that would be to implement.

[Southeast]

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I'd love to see those prime seats full every game too.

You can't tell me, however, that they would be full of students for every game if they still could sit there. No way. That area would be a sea of empty bleachers for WBB these days. And many men's games would be only a little better.

We must have some awfully hyper-sensitive students if moving them to the ends of the court (like 90%of other schools do) is all it takes to get them to quit coming. I don't believe that is the cause of the problem, but if it is maybe it is no big loss. How much are you going to coddle them?


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[bigticket1]

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Id argue the Jacks seating for the student section is one of the worst

It seems that a lot of the college games I watch have students sitting on the ends. And , if I remember correctly the families of the players sat in those end seats before the switch was made , so they must not be that bad. I know I would rather sit there than in the upper far corner reserved seats that are available on a per game basis.

[TK22867]

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Some of the posts seem to think the SDSU students are on the same level as the Cameron Crazies, or another rabid fan base. They are not, and never have been.

When SDSU students fill their allotted seats for every home game, start making "cheer sheets" before each game, then we could talk about moving the students.

This is coming from someone who sat mid-court, first row of the bleachers during darn near every home game of my junior and senior year.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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If they ever care to get new season ticket holders they should care. I never said the seating change caused the apathy, its been apart of the student body for a long time, but it sure did not help it any. There were plenty of times where students complained about non students in the student section, taking seats or having fans in the upper section yell at students to sit down because they coudlnt see while sitting, there have been plently of changes and things that affected SDSU from buidling a culture of students. The Admin better hope the teams stay at the top of the league because we all know that if the mens team reverts back to its transition kind of play that season ticket holders will stop buying tickets too.

It would be really interesting to know what percentage of season ticket holders actually went to SDSU. I'm sure its a lot, but there are tons of people who never graduated SDSU who hold season tickets. And that's a good thing.

But you might be right. Does Justin Sell really care how many season ticket holders SDSU has in 15 years? Deep down, its doubtful. He cares about meeting the budget today, and will likely move on to a better job someday.

This attitude/problem is present at many different levels throughout the university.

It leads to situations like the college buying hundreds of acres of pasture half a county away from campus, then deciding they aren't really going to use it for any purpose even close to the capital it took to buy it. Then the guy who spear-headed that move, and spent all the money, moves on to somewhere else. Does that person really care about the state of the Cow/Calf unit in 15 years? No worries, we'll just raise tuition again next year. Sorry for the rant.

[Southeast]

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Some of the posts seem to think the SDSU students are on the same level as the Cameron Crazies, or another rabid fan base. They are not, and never have been.

When SDSU students fill their allotted seats for every home game, start making "cheer sheets" before each game, then we could talk about moving the students.

This is coming from someone who sat mid-court, first row of the bleachers during darn near every home game of my junior and senior year.

That's kind my feeling as well. If they can't be bothered to show up during a year when we have both one of the best WBB teams in school history and a men's team in a tight race why would you feel sorry for them? How good do the teams have to be? How good do the seats have to be? How long does this go on before we stick the few that are left on one end and sell the other?



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[OldHare]

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Id argue the Jacks seating for the student section is one of the worst

The location of the student seating is not unsual to many, many arenas. The elevated seating is a bit more unique. Before the bleachers were removed, I would get to games early in order to sit in the bleachers on the end. The choice to place reserve seating at that location was fine, but I think the engineering was not perfect and then the area was given to the students to sell seats on the South. I would agree with the fellow who indicated the conference identity does not pull fans in for the good games as a whole. (Although last year the yote, bison, and leatherneck games brought good crowds.) We need an app for getting people to the game.

[witness]

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It seems that a lot of the college games I watch have students sitting on the ends. And , if I remember correctly the families of the players sat in those end seats before the switch was made , so they must not be that bad. I know I would rather sit there than in the upper far corner reserved seats that are available on a per game basis.

Pretty much all are floor level though...

[goon]

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That's kind my feeling as well. If they can't be bothered to show up during a year when we have both one of the best WBB teams in school history and a men's team in a tight race why would you feel sorry for them? How good do the teams have to be? How good do the seats have to be? How long does this go on before we stick the few that are left on one end and sell the other?



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Its still not like season ticket holders are buying up seats by the tens of thousands either. frankly its more an issue for all fans not just students that arent making it to games. With the Sdsu fan base and alumni they have in a 60 mile radius of Brookings and just in Brookings, should it really be that hard to get 4k to a basketball game on avg? So to point out that of the 12k students on campus that they arent filling up their share of space allotted.