BASKETBALL RECRUITING

[jackmd]

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I havent followed high school Basketball in South Dakota for a number of years. In fact I was surprised to learn that Huron won the Class AA championship this year.  They had a 6-6 player named Eric Hall who has signed with USD.

Part of the reason that you may not have been aware is the fact that the Argus placed the article on the second page of the sports section. They covered the A and B championship on the front page and buried the Huron story on the second. Needless to say, the people from northeast S.D. were not happy. I saw at least 1 letter to the editor expressing this displeasure. As I have pointed out before, if the story is not about a team with geiographic proximity to Sioux Falls, its not a story to the Argus. Do you think they would have found a little space on the front page if O'Gorman, Washington, Brandon, etc.. had won the title?

[89rabbit]

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For those who thurst for knowledge of the 5/8 rule, here is a much better story:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=1785876

Go State!

[JACKGUY]

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I know the Jacks have an interest in the Begeman kid from O'Gorman. He is ranked by most recruiting services and is gaining attention by many schools including UNI. Will have to watch and see how this one plays out. Getting a top player out of the state that other DI programs want and particulary one from Sioux Falls would be a huge boost for the program. We should not be competing with USD for either in-state or out of state talent anymore.

[jackmd]

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I like this article from Lawrence and Coach Self about the 5/8 rule. He supports 89's point about local papers chopping up stories.

I also read about the proposed rule change to the 5/8 rule.  I hate when local papers chop up an  AP story like this and runs with it.  They make it sound like it is a done deal.  What it did was pass a bureaucratic hurdle.  I have no doubt that the 5/8 rule is going to change, but the way they reported it will confuse a lot of fans.  :-/

Go State!

NCAA may repeal 5-and-8 recruiting rule
Self among college basketball coaches hoping for elimination of scholarship restriction

By Gary Bedore, Assistant Sports Editor

Wednesday, April 21, 2004

The NCAA rule that infuriates college basketball coaches the most -- the 5-and-8 scholarship rule -- is halfway toward being rescinded.

"I think everybody is cautiously optimistic. Everybody is hopeful the rule will be rescinded in full," KU coach Bill Self said Tuesday, responding to Monday's news the NCAA Division One Management Council voted unanimously to repeal the rule that limits colleges to five scholarships in one year and eight during a two-year period, even if a school -- like KU -- is under the NCAA maximum limit of 13 scholarships.

"Coaches understand this was a first necessary step. Still the biggest steps have yet to be taken on the thing. Hopefully it will go as well on the week of the 29th."

April 29 is when the NCAA Board of Directors, led by KU Chancellor Robert Hemenway, will have the power to repeal the 5-and-8 rule once and for all.

"It's a rule that all coaches have been 100 percent opposed to since Day One," Self said. "It has certainly reduced the pool of college student-athletes playing Division One basketball. We as coaches don't see it as a positive in any way, shape or form. It's as bad a rule as anybody has tried to enforce."

The rule was designed, in part, to prevent coaches from "running off" players from their programs. Coaches like Self say the practice of running off players is a myth more than reality.

"It hurts new coaches more than anybody," Self said of the rule. "If a coach takes over at ‘State University' and those players have been recruited to play in a certain system and this is how we play and it doesn't work out, the coach is not running you off. The player and family make the decision that, ‘This is different. We want to go somewhere else.'

"If a school decided to terminate a coach, and the coach had an idea it was coming, he could hurt the school by signing guys. The new coach gets there and says, ‘This doesn't fit the style,' but he can't sign more guys because all the scholarships are taken. Coaches aren't running guys off. It's different than 20 years ago. Guys (players) want a quick fix. You've got high school guys going to the league now. It wasn't the case 20 years ago. These are things you have to deal with every day in recruiting."

Self, who like former KU coach Roy Williams is passionate about eliminating the rule, has chatted with Hemenway about the issue, as has Williams.

"I've talked to him about it," Self said. "I think he's sympathetic in his position to all parties, and certainly we've done what we can do to educate him on why coaches feel so strongly against this particular rule."

KU, which is three scholarships under the limit of 13, likely won't sign three players if the rule is rescinded. The late signing period ends May 7.

"I don't think there's any way we could," Self said. "At this late date, the pool (of recruits) is so small. There could be an opportunity to sign one, which we can do the way the rule stands now.

"Maybe there would be an opportunity to open another spot to try to sign somebody at this late juncture. After the vote is taken there will not be that many available players."

Self said he's not against what will likely replace the 5-and 8-rule -- the setting of a team-graduation rate threshold for triggering a penalty, such as the loss of a scholarship, for schools that fall below a certain graduation standard.

"I think a coach is hired to do several jobs," Self said. "One is to put our student-athletes in the best position to not only maintain progress, but earn a degree. I don't feel this would adversely affect a majority of people out there. For a small minority of people that potentially are handling their business improperly there could be serious repercussions (like being kept out of NCAA Tournament). I have no serious problem with ‘incentive/disincentive' which more than likely will be implemented. I do have a problem with the 5-8."

[JACKGUY]

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Shooter who writes in the St. Paul paper referenced that Matt Cadwell who signed with DI bound SDSU is a strong armed power hitting outfielder who could end up being picked in Major League Baseball's June amateur draft. The Gophers may face the same dilemma with their big Chaska recruit Spencer Tollackson. I guess these are the things you go throught when you sign better athletes!

[JACKGUY]

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The two women recruited out of Wisconsin were rated in the top 20 Seniors in Wisconsin. Andrea Verdegan #14 and Sarah Meckley #16. This is a good start in the state of Wisconsin. I believe in future years we can get some players who are in the top 10.

[JACKGUY]

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It appears Tom Conboy of Minnetonka has committed to Macalister here in the Twin Cities. Jacks must have backed off from him as I understand he was looking for a DI offer.

[89rabbit]

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Wow from D-I to D-III. Something is up. ???

http://www.macalester.edu/~mbball/

Go State!

[jackmd]

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Wow from D-I to D-III.    Something is up.  ???

http://www.macalester.edu/~mbball/

Go State!

Without a doubt. I don't see any player that signs with Macalister having even been a serious consideration for our program. With that said I wish him the best.

[Guest]

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I have a heads up for you guys, I heard about a guard from illinois that you'll possibly be signing in the next week, is a very good player. Thought you guys would want to know.

[Guest]

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Thanks for the info. Can provide more on where he is from, name etc.

[Guest]

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This was in the Argus too...

BASKETBALL: Mark Engen, a 6-foot-10, 185-pound junior at Red Rock Central High School in Lamberton, Minn., has verbally committed to play for South Dakota State. A career 51 percent field-goal shooter, Engen holds school records for blocked shots in a career (274) and points in a game (39). He averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds and 5.8 blocks a game this season.

[89rabbit]

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This was in the Argus too...

BASKETBALL: Mark Engen, a 6-foot-10, 185-pound junior at Red Rock Central High School in Lamberton, Minn., has verbally committed to play for South Dakota State. A career 51 percent field-goal shooter, Engen holds school records for blocked shots in a career (274) and points in a game (39). He averaged 21 points, 10 rebounds and 5.8 blocks a game this season.

Here is the link:

http://www.argusleader.com/sports/Sa...article5.shtml

My question is, is he a Jr. and has verbally committed for next year or did the Argus misprint his year?  Either way, he needs to put on some weight but good pick up.

Go State!  ;D

[bballfan]

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I wonder if his weight might be a misprint also?

[JBNJBQ]

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Here is the link:

http://www.argusleader.com/sports/Sa...article5.shtml

My question is, is he a Jr. and has verbally committed for next year or did the Argus misprint his year?  Either way, he needs to put on some weight but good pick up.

Go State!  ;D

It appears that the gentleman is from the 2005 class according to the following web site:



http://www.minnesota.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=211253

A very good addition indeed!



Go Jacks!