George Marshall....Possible New Transfer

[OldHare]

Re: George Marshall....Possible New Transfer

We should be somewhat deep at guard positions with Flatten, Bittle, Broman, White, Severyn, Jacobsen, and Horstman listed at guard. Tellinghuisen comes in next year as well. White and Jacobsen are walk on, but Jacobsen has had some minutes this year. There could be a number of combinations available.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Looks like a great addition! Will certainly add depth and a dynamic that we don't have right now. It will be a real bonus if Marshall was tough defensively.

SUPERBUNNY

[goon]

Re: George Marshall....Possible New Transfer

Looks like a great addition! Will certainly add depth and a dynamic that we don't have right now. It will be a real bonus if Marshall was tough defensively.

SUPERBUNNY

kind of wish we had him this year.

[OldHare]

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Looks like a great addition! Will certainly add depth and a dynamic that we don't have right now. It will be a real bonus if Marshall was tough defensively.

SUPERBUNNY

If he started a few games as a freshman at Wisconsin, he should have adequate defense. A dedicated PG will be a great addition.

[MrAugustana]

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We should be somewhat deep at guard positions with Flatten, Bittle, Broman, White, Severyn, Jacobsen, and Horstman listed at guard. Tellinghuisen comes in next year as well. White and Jacobsen are walk on, but Jacobsen has had some minutes this year. There could be a number of combinations available.

I haven't really watched much SDSU basketball this season, so I'll just ask--how many of the guards in that list fit under more of the guard/forward combo descriptor? Because if that list is made up purely of point and shooting guards, you're looking at NINE guards for next season. I think someone mentioned earlier that you guys don't like to hypothesize on possible roster changes as far as outgoing transfers go, but it would be borderline shocking to me that all nine of those guys would stick around and try to share minutes between the two available guard spots. If a few of them are more like small forwards than guards, I'm sure it'll even out. Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two of those guys (particularly the ones that have already used their redshirt year at SDSU) end up at NSIC schools next year. Particularly Winona State, who, to my knowledge, still doesn't have a single incoming recruit for the 2014 class.

Then again, they might all love SDSU/Brookings/etc. enough to stick around regardless of playing time, in which case, nevermind.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I haven't really watched much SDSU basketball this season, so I'll just ask--how many of the guards in that list fit under more of the guard/forward combo descriptor? Because if that list is made up purely of point and shooting guards, you're looking at NINE guards for next season. I think someone mentioned earlier that you guys don't like to hypothesize on possible roster changes as far as outgoing transfers go, but it would be borderline shocking to me that all nine of those guys would stick around and try to share minutes between the two available guard spots. If a few of them are more like small forwards than guards, I'm sure it'll even out. Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two of those guys (particularly the ones that have already used their redshirt year at SDSU) end up at NSIC schools next year. Particularly Winona State, who, to my knowledge, still doesn't have a single incoming recruit for the 2014 class.

Then again, they might all love SDSU/Brookings/etc. enough to stick around regardless of playing time, in which case, nevermind.

White, Severyn, and Horstman are 3s. Flatten is a 2/3 and I believe Tellinghuisen is as well. Bittle is a 1/2, Broman is a 1/2.

[jacks1]

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...I think someone mentioned earlier that you guys don't like to hypothesize on possible roster changes as far as outgoing transfers go, but it would be borderline shocking to me that all nine of those guys would stick around and try to share minutes between the two available guard spots...

White, Severyn, and Horstman are 3s. Flatten is a 2/3 and I believe Tellinghuisen is as well. Bittle is a 1/2, Broman is a 1/2.

I don't see White (Josh), Horstman, Donlan or Jacobsen ever getting consistent minutes (in my worthless opinion). Agree with it or not, Nagy will pull the plug (for lack of a better term) on schollies if he needs them elsewhere...

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I don't see White (Josh), Horstman, Donlan or Jacobsen ever getting consistent minutes (in my worthless opinion). Agree with it or not, Nagy will pull the plug (for lack of a better term) on schollies if he needs them elsewhere...

My own worthless opinion, pulling the plug on scholarships seems like it would have quite negative repercussions on the recruiting trail. Unless it can be spun as something else.

For example, if Horstman's scholarship was pulled, that word would travel quite quickly in SD basketball circles. For a recruit choosing between USD/SDSU, that would make a huge difference. Swing enough of those kids (and it wouldn't be hard), and suddenly USD has the upper hand in recruiting. The same goes for pretty much every kid on the roster, they all run in the same AAU circles, know each other, been to camps together, etc.

Ever wonder why we always seem to have a few former Dakota Schoolers walk on to ride pine every year? My suspicions are that one reason is it maintains a very good relationship between the coaching staff and Mr. Seville (who posts here periodically, sorry if I spelled your name wrong). The coaches are always going to push HARD for the Cody Larsons coming out of high school, without a very solid relationship with the Schoolers, there is little to no chance. The consequences of cutting any scholarship player without cause of some sort (beyond playing ability and a shiny new recruit) could be disastrous, IMO.

Another food for thought, although somewhat unrelated. To most more-than-casual fans, players like Andre Gilbert got A LOT of leeway within the program. Why? IMO, the coaches were desperate at that time to get some kind of foothold in recruiting Minneapolis. A successful career for Gilbert would have given them a nice talking point whilst in Minneapolis living rooms.

Most coaches want to win. That means short and long term. It is so hard to establish recruiting relationships, I doubt they would risk cutting somebody loose just to get somebody "better."

[SkippyJack]

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White, Severyn, and Horstman are 3s. Flatten is a 2/3 and I believe Tellinghuisen is as well. Bittle is a 1/2, Broman is a 1/2.

The only potential 3 for next season you should be talking about is the guy who blocked Cody Larsen going for a dunk.

[OldHare]

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The only potential 3 for next season you should be talking about is the guy who blocked Cody Larsen going for a dunk.

And that was ........????

[bigticket1]

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My own worthless opinion, pulling the plug on scholarships seems like it would have quite negative repercussions on the recruiting trail. Unless it can be spun as something else.

For example, if Horstman's scholarship was pulled, that word would travel quite quickly in SD basketball circles. For a recruit choosing between USD/SDSU, that would make a huge difference. Swing enough of those kids (and it wouldn't be hard), and suddenly USD has the upper hand in recruiting. The same goes for pretty much every kid on the roster, they all run in the same AAU circles, know each other, been to camps together, etc.

Ever wonder why we always seem to have a few former Dakota Schoolers walk on to ride pine every year? My suspicions are that one reason is it maintains a very good relationship between the coaching staff and Mr. Seville (who posts here periodically, sorry if I spelled your name wrong). The coaches are always going to push HARD for the Cody Larsons coming out of high school, without a very solid relationship with the Schoolers, there is little to no chance. The consequences of cutting any scholarship player without cause of some sort (beyond playing ability and a shiny new recruit) could be disastrous, IMO.

Another food for thought, although somewhat unrelated. To most more-than-casual fans, players like Andre Gilbert got A LOT of leeway within the program. Why? IMO, the coaches were desperate at that time to get some kind of foothold in recruiting Minneapolis. A successful career for Gilbert would have given them a nice talking point whilst in Minneapolis living rooms.

Most coaches want to win. That means short and long term. It is so hard to establish recruiting relationships, I doubt they would risk cutting somebody loose just to get somebody "better."

It very seldom gets to the point where a coach "pulls" a scholarship. Most coaches will sit down with a player and give them an honest assessment about the minutes that they will likely be getting in the future. If those minutes are going to be limited , many players decide to go to a program where their chances of playing are increased.

[MontanaRabbit]

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My own worthless opinion, pulling the plug on scholarships seems like it would have quite negative repercussions on the recruiting trail. Unless it can be spun as something else.

For example, if Horstman's scholarship was pulled, that word would travel quite quickly in SD basketball circles. For a recruit choosing between USD/SDSU, that would make a huge difference. Swing enough of those kids (and it wouldn't be hard), and suddenly USD has the upper hand in recruiting. The same goes for pretty much every kid on the roster, they all run in the same AAU circles, know each other, been to camps together, etc.

Ever wonder why we always seem to have a few former Dakota Schoolers walk on to ride pine every year? My suspicions are that one reason is it maintains a very good relationship between the coaching staff and Mr. Seville (who posts here periodically, sorry if I spelled your name wrong). The coaches are always going to push HARD for the Cody Larsons coming out of high school, without a very solid relationship with the Schoolers, there is little to no chance. The consequences of cutting any scholarship player without cause of some sort (beyond playing ability and a shiny new recruit) could be disastrous, IMO.

Another food for thought, although somewhat unrelated. To most more-than-casual fans, players like Andre Gilbert got A LOT of leeway within the program. Why? IMO, the coaches were desperate at that time to get some kind of foothold in recruiting Minneapolis. A successful career for Gilbert would have given them a nice talking point whilst in Minneapolis living rooms.

Most coaches want to win. That means short and long term. It is so hard to establish recruiting relationships, I doubt they would risk cutting somebody loose just to get somebody "better."

Pulling a scholly would be a slippery slope at best.

No matter how heralded a recruit is, SDSU takes a chance on them. Some surefire recruits flame out. Some become stars. IMO, it's not worth risking the damage to SDSU's reputation to pull a scholly for someone that is "better" on paper.

[Nidaros]

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Another food for thought, although somewhat unrelated. To most more-than-casual fans, players like Andre Gilbert got A LOT of leeway within the program. Why? IMO, the coaches were desperate at that time to get some kind of foothold in recruiting Minneapolis. A successful career for Gilbert would have given them a nice talking point whilst in Minneapolis living rooms.

Oh boy Andre Gilbert, he is the past and belongs there. He might have had talent, but seemed to know it and let that get in the way of being a team player.Just my worthless opinion.

We are in a different era with more choices and better choices. I don't see Horstman losing his scholarship but with the injury problems that continue to linger, he might just call it quits on his own. I would think this to be more of a possibility.

Marshall on the other hand represents a excellent choice. The way he pushed the ball up the court on his high school video was very impressive and something we need.

In fact it reminds me of USD greatest team in history, 1958. This team was extremely lucky to have the Daniels brothers from Brooklyn New York, who were to be recruited by Seton Hall but there were no scholarships left, so they went to Historically Black College, Lincoln University in Missouri. Dwayne Clodfelter USD coach was a good friend of the coach of the coach Seton Hall. The Daniel brothers were looking to get back to Brooklyn and with no scholarships, he referred them to Clodfelter.

A few years back 2008, several articles appeared in various news papers about this team. One remark that kind of struck home with me was the former principal of Yankton High School Maurice Haugland was asked if there was a race problem in bringing the Daniels Brothers to USD. This how we thought at the time, but the team also walked out of restaurant in Missouri, I believe because the proprietor refused to serve the Daniels Brothers.

Not his exact quote, but he said the Daniels brothers were so far ahead of the team with their passing game that included Brookings High Roger Nelson, and Rapid City Clayt Kiewel, that these guys kept getting hit in the head with the guards passes coming from the Daniel brothers. After a while they caught up with the Daniels brothers and they head one great season in 1958. It was kind of like the NDSU Bison in football this year, I was very envious of their play and execution.

I got a feeling that George Marshall might be bringing some of the passing ability that the Daniels brothers brought to USD over 50 years ago. Urban BB is very different from the slow pace of South Dakota. Here is our chance to shine.

[jacks1]

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It very seldom gets to the point where a coach "pulls" a scholarship. Most coaches will sit down with a player and give them an honest assessment about the minutes that they will likely be getting in the future. If those minutes are going to be limited , many players decide to go to a program where their chances of playing are increased.

You certainly worded it better than I did....but it's kind of '6 of one, half dozen of the other', isn't it?

[RabbitObsessed]

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I don't see White (Josh), Horstman, Donlan or Jacobsen ever getting consistent minutes (in my worthless opinion). Agree with it or not, Nagy will pull the plug (for lack of a better term) on schollies if he needs them elsewhere...

My mind was still on still on Chad White for some reason.