Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

[jackmd]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

Am I missing something here? You guys dont want a tall guy? Dont you have one coming off redshirt next season? Near 7 footer?

You guys saying you wouldnt have taken a Keith Benson on your team couple years ago? Huh?

You are missing something here.

[NoVaJack]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

Am I missing something here? You guys dont want a tall guy? Dont you have one coming off redshirt next season? Near 7 footer?

You guys saying you wouldnt have taken a Keith Benson on your team couple years ago? Huh?

Oh, c;mon, get real. Keith Benson was neither hefty nor mediocre. Andre the Giant was 7 feet tall, too, but he would have collapsed on the first transition.

[Kemo]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

Am I missing something here? You guys dont want a tall guy? Dont you have one coming off redshirt next season? Near 7 footer?

You guys saying you wouldnt have taken a Keith Benson on your team couple years ago? Huh?

I'm assuming (and hoping) this is in jest.

[Grizzled_Jack]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

Am I missing something here? You guys dont want a tall guy? Dont you have one coming off redshirt next season? Near 7 footer?

You guys saying you wouldnt have taken a Keith Benson on your team couple years ago? Huh?

ng

Devine? That's 80 pounds difference. We've had tall skinny guys before, that's not what I was talking about. Again, I wasn't saying be a starter, I'm saying a pace changer. Someone to put in for 5 minutes to change the pace. Like sticking a hippo in with a group of crocodiles. The crocs don't change their nature, but they do get out of the way. I'm not drawing comparisons for skill, but the same body type that Reeves and Ostertag used in the Big 8 a generation ago. I don't think that's Devine.

UCM looked pretty athletic to me. I know the Massey Ratings are flawed but both trams were rated worse than South Dakota and better than Omaha. That's about where I'd put 'em. The hippo changed the game flow and I think if one could be found he could come off the bench.

Here's a paragraph from Wikipedia detailing the plusses and minuses of Greg Ostertag in the NBA. This is what I'm talking about, not a superstar:

"However, throughout the remainder of his career, Ostertag struggled with poor physical conditioning and inconsistent play, much to the chagrin of his coaches and teammates. Also, he constantly frustrated Jazz fans with his clumsiness and lack of skill on offense. Nevertheless, Ostertag made valuable contributions to the team on the defensive side of the floor, providing size and intimidation in the paint. He never played full starter-level minutes, thus hindering his overall statistical totals, but he was one of the most efficient shot-blockers in the league during his career. He led the NBA in blocked shot percentage twice (in 2000 and 2002)[2] and was particularly good at controlling the ball after blocking a shot.[3]"

[LakeJack]

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So let me get this straight you are calling a kid who played for Kansas and then went on to the NBA "hefty and mediocre", is that right? If you can find me a mediocre NBA caliber player that wants to come to Brookings I am all in! You can't really compare a kid who was a Jayhawk and played for the Jazz to the D-II kid you are talking about can you?

[Nidaros]

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ng

Devine? That's 80 pounds difference. We've had tall skinny guys before, that's not what I was talking about. Again, I wasn't saying be a starter, I'm saying a pace changer. Someone to put in for 5 minutes to change the pace. Like sticking a hippo in with a group of crocodiles. The crocs don't change their nature, but they do get out of the way. I'm not drawing comparisons for skill, but the same body type that Reeves and Ostertag used in the Big 8 a generation ago. I don't think that's Devine.

UCM looked pretty athletic to me. I know the Massey Ratings are flawed but both trams were rated worse than South Dakota and better than Omaha. That's about where I'd put 'em. The hippo changed the game flow and I think if one could be found he could come off the bench.

Here's a paragraph from Wikipedia detailing the plusses and minuses of Greg Ostertag in the NBA. This is what I'm talking about, not a superstar:

"However, throughout the remainder of his career, Ostertag struggled with poor physical conditioning and inconsistent play, much to the chagrin of his coaches and teammates. Also, he constantly frustrated Jazz fans with his clumsiness and lack of skill on offense. Nevertheless, Ostertag made valuable contributions to the team on the defensive side of the floor, providing size and intimidation in the paint. He never played full starter-level minutes, thus hindering his overall statistical totals, but he was one of the most efficient shot-blockers in the league during his career. He led the NBA in blocked shot percentage twice (in 2000 and 2002)[2] and was particularly good at controlling the ball after blocking a shot.[3]"

I am hoping Devine can do some of these things next year, but your points are well taken regarding intimidation in the paint. Devine was affective offensively in high school, how he does next year remains to be seen.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

ng

Devine? That's 80 pounds difference. We've had tall skinny guys before, that's not what I was talking about. Again, I wasn't saying be a starter, I'm saying a pace changer. Someone to put in for 5 minutes to change the pace. Like sticking a hippo in with a group of crocodiles. The crocs don't change their nature, but they do get out of the way. I'm not drawing comparisons for skill, but the same body type that Reeves and Ostertag used in the Big 8 a generation ago. I don't think that's Devine.

UCM looked pretty athletic to me. I know the Massey Ratings are flawed but both trams were rated worse than South Dakota and better than Omaha. That's about where I'd put 'em. The hippo changed the game flow and I think if one could be found he could come off the bench.

Here's a paragraph from Wikipedia detailing the plusses and minuses of Greg Ostertag in the NBA. This is what I'm talking about, not a superstar:

"However, throughout the remainder of his career, Ostertag struggled with poor physical conditioning and inconsistent play, much to the chagrin of his coaches and teammates. Also, he constantly frustrated Jazz fans with his clumsiness and lack of skill on offense. Nevertheless, Ostertag made valuable contributions to the team on the defensive side of the floor, providing size and intimidation in the paint. He never played full starter-level minutes, thus hindering his overall statistical totals, but he was one of the most efficient shot-blockers in the league during his career. He led the NBA in blocked shot percentage twice (in 2000 and 2002)[2] and was particularly good at controlling the ball after blocking a shot.[3]"

I don't think anyone is saying not to recruit these types of players. But if your choice is between Flatten and a 6'12" kid who is skinny as a rail and might turn into something, the choice is pretty obvious (at least to me). We don't have the luxury of doing anything but take the best available player.

LSU has 1 guy on their roster taller than 6'9", and they pulled him out of the band. If LSU has trouble recruiting bigs, I would assume it is a bit of an uphill battle.

[filbert]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

I am hoping Devine can do some of these things next year, but your points are well taken regarding intimidation in the paint. Devine was affective offensively in high school, how he does next year remains to be seen.

One of Devine's main claims to fame in high school was as a shot-blocker, as much as an offensive threat.

[Grizzled_Jack]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

So let me get this straight you are calling a kid who played for Kansas and then went on to the NBA "hefty and mediocre", is that right? If you can find me a mediocre NBA caliber player that wants to come to Brookings I am all in! You can't really compare a kid who was a Jayhawk and played for the Jazz to the D-II kid you are talking about can you?

No, I'm saying he'd be to the Summit as Ostertag was to the NBA. Hardly great but would come in handy. In addition to not being outstanding at the NBA level, I think both Ostertag and Reeves, like St. Bernards, vs. German Shepherds, got old fast because of their size. That made them less successful in the NBA then they otherwise would. I'd be very surprised if a LU bench player got drafted by anyone unless there's a North Korean league.

[Grizzled_Jack]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

I don't think anyone is saying not to recruit these types of players. But if your choice is between Flatten and a 6'12" kid who is skinny as a rail and might turn into something, the choice is pretty obvious (at least to me). We don't have the luxury of doing anything but take the best available player.

LSU has 1 guy on their roster taller than 6'9", and they pulled him out of the band. If LSU has trouble recruiting bigs, I would assume it is a bit of an uphill battle.

That's what I'm talking about a 7'3 walk-on tuba player who gets 13 minutes and scores 4 points a game. Or, an analogy that will probably only be remembered by Nidaros, Ron Otterness with another four inches on him.

[Nidaros]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

That's what I'm talking about a 7'3 walk-on tuba player who gets 13 minutes and scores 4 points a game. Or, an analogy that will probably only be remembered by Nidaros, Ron Otterness with another four inches on him.

Oh yes Ron Otterness, one of the twin towers from BHS 1962, state A champs, the other was Bill Gamble, both grew very fast and did not jump rope much to build up their co-ordination. Those days are gone and kids that size usually end up on the speech team if they can't play bb.

[Nidaros]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

One of Devine's main claims to fame in high school was as a shot-blocker, as much as an offensive threat.

I guess I missed that in the thread last year, that his coach contributed to on a game by game bases. Thanks for pointing that out. I feel more optmistic about next year knowing about Devines skill as a shot blocker.

[UWMandSDSU]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

I guess I missed that in the thread last year, that his coach contributed to on a game by game bases. Thanks for pointing that out. I feel more optmistic about next year knowing about Devines skill as a shot blocker.

He averaged 8 blocks/game as a high school senior.

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

He averaged 8 blocks/game as a high school senior.

Is that good?

(What is this thread about???)

[UWMandSDSU]

Re: Room for a hefty but mediocre post?

Is that good?

(What is this thread about???)

Your mediocre post and my mediocre reply to your post.