Gdt - oakland

[goon]

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I don't think anybody called him a ball hog, but it sure as heck wasn't me as some might be alluding to. I said he is a volume shooter. Bader, being a volume shooter can shoot you out of a game, or shoot the other team out of the gym

I agree, he makes a lot of 3s because he takes a lot of 3s. he avgs 11 3pt attempts per game, next highest is Felt at NDSu with 6 then Usd's Kasperbauer with 5. But with Bader, he isnt even top 10 in 3pt %. 39 percent is still super good but its not like he is shoot an unreal amount or leads the league in shooting the 3.

maybe SDSU next year needs to let Dystkra shoot 11 3 attempts agame, same with bruan, those guys are top 2 in the league, the top 4 shoot 44 percent. Bruan afvs 11 shots the entire game, and Dykstra 10. considering Bader takes more shot attempts in the league, Wolters is second, but wolters overall FG percent is better so makes mroe of his shots. I think that if other guys in the league, Braun, Dkystra, CC3 Kasperbauer shot as much as Bader their numbers would be more impressive. Not trying to knock Bader hes great at what he dose and plays a system that works for him, but I think it comes down to being a volume shooter

If you look at just confrence play he avgs 12 attempts agame, and both him and wolters are 40%. Kasperbauer is 55%. thats impressive because its in confrence play if you ask me. and is a freshman.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I agree, he makes a lot of 3s because he takes a lot of 3s. he avgs 11 3pt attempts per game, next highest is Felt at NDSu with 6 then Usd's Kasperbauer with 5. But with Bader, he isnt even top 10 in 3pt %. 39 percent is still super good but its not like he is shoot an unreal amount or leads the league in shooting the 3.

maybe SDSU next year needs to let Dystkra shoot 11 3 attempts agame, same with bruan, those guys are top 2 in the league, the top 4 shoot 44 percent. Bruan afvs 11 shots the entire game, and Dykstra 10. considering Bader takes more shot attempts in the league, Wolters is second, but wolters overall FG percent is better so makes mroe of his shots. I think that if other guys in the league, Braun, Dkystra, CC3 Kasperbauer shot as much as Bader their numbers would be more impressive. Not trying to knock Bader hes great at what he dose and plays a system that works for him, but I think it comes down to being a volume shooter

If you look at just confrence play he avgs 12 attempts agame, and both him and wolters are 40%. Kasperbauer is 55%. thats impressive because its in confrence play if you ask me. and is a freshman.

Nobody in the league would hit anywhere close to 40% like Bader does if they had to put up the shots he does. Merely being able to get off 11 threes a game while every team tries to prevent it is a pretty impressive feat in and of itself.

Dykstra, Braun, Felt, etc, etc, etc hit high percentages because they are much more selective with their shots. If they could do what Bader does, you can bet your rear end they would shoot more. Heck, if Kasperbauer is hitting 55%, he is being way too selective with his shot. He misses every shot he doesn't take.

Bader is good. Really good. Fans trying to qualify it otherwise is petty, IMO.

[91jack]

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I don't think anybody called him a ball hog, but it sure as heck wasn't me as some might be alluding to. I said he is a volume shooter. Bader, being a volume shooter can shoot you out of a game, or shoot the other team out of the gym

I was watching a game the other night on ESPN and I think Louisville was playing. I don't remember who the announcers were but one was an ex-coach and another was an ex-player. I think the ex-player shot his fair share of shots back in the day but he said that Seth Smith(?) from Louisville was making poor decisions. He was on the verge of saying that he was losing that game for his team. He was taking the ball to the hole 1 or 2 and stuff like that. The coach said that when you recruit and player like that, you know what you are getting. I think Smith shoots about 15 shots a game when nobody else on the team shoots more than 9.

I think that Oakland knew what they were getting when they got Bader. He was brought in to take Kangas's place. That is the offense they run and I wouldn't mind if SDSU ran the same offense if they had the continued success Oakland has had.
I think Oakland might be the scariest team in the tourney. As witness just put Bader's effect so kindly, "or shoot the other team out of the gym". He may not be hot 2 games in a row but it only takes one win to knock you out of the tourney. Even if Bader is off, Oakland still has enough weapons that they will be a tough out for anybody.

As far as officiating goes. Officials make bad calls every game(they are only human). You just have to hope that they even out or that your players can adjust to how the game is being called. Do they call charges but not moving screens? Do they call hand checks? Do they allow pushing down low but no contact on the perimeter? How about "happy feet"? It would be nice if all crews were the same but the same crew might call different things in each half let alone all officials be exactly the same.

[jacks1]

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Nobody in the league would hit anywhere close to 40% like Bader does if they had to put up the shots he does. Merely being able to get off 11 threes a game while every team tries to prevent it is a pretty impressive feat in and of itself.

Dykstra, Braun, Felt, etc, etc, etc hit high percentages because they are much more selective with their shots. If they could do what Bader does, you can bet your rear end they would shoot more. Heck, if Kasperbauer is hitting 55%, he is being way too selective with his shot. He misses every shot he doesn't take.

Bader is good. Really good. Fans trying to qualify it otherwise is petty, IMO.

This++++++

[Givethebunnyabone]

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IDK if I am SDSU (or their fans -- which I am one, even though I grad from USD) that I necessarily want a #1 or #2 seed in the SL tournament. I guess you do if you want the extra night of rest instead of playing B2B2B. But it just seems to me that this team would be better served in the underdog role instead of being the favorite (see out of conference games this year as fav and underdog.....guessing on some of this).

I watched the OU game. Rooting for SDSU, but I see them differently, as I am not a super fan or diehard rabbit obsessed fan. They are in trouble IMO unless Dykstra steps up. Not White or Fiegen. Not Carlson. But Dykstra. This guy was the blue chip recruit. He was the big get for the program. Now I dont watch tons of SDSU games, but follow as much as I can, and I am saying this kid really needs to pick it up. If he didnt play another game at SDSU what would his legacy be? Average? IDK...just asking, but seems to me he hasnt really stood out....yet. Is he waiting for Wolters to leave before he steps it up?

I'd bet the farm that the top 4 seeds are all playing Monday night in the tournament. Should make for good basketball and competitive games. Honestly, at this point, I would take OU. I know....blame me for jumping on what I most recently saw. But, look at the article someobdy posted in another thread last week, about Kampe and OU. Mentioned Mondy quite a bit. Providence transfer? That kid can play. With guy like him coming in off bench, it appears that OU has instant offense and versatility unlike any other team.

Looking fwd to the tournament, it should be really good with such closely aligned teams in the top 4 slots.

[goon]

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Nobody in the league would hit anywhere close to 40% like Bader does if they had to put up the shots he does. Merely being able to get off 11 threes a game while every team tries to prevent it is a pretty impressive feat in and of itself.

Dykstra, Braun, Felt, etc, etc, etc hit high percentages because they are much more selective with their shots. If they could do what Bader does, you can bet your rear end they would shoot more. Heck, if Kasperbauer is hitting 55%, he is being way too selective with his shot. He misses every shot he doesn't take.

Bader is good. Really good. Fans trying to qualify it otherwise is petty, IMO.

I think its more coaching style and system, its exploiting what a player does well. I think other coaches could and to say other players couldnt make 40% if they took more shots is being diengenious. He is a jump shooter that plays for a coach who coaches for jump shooters. That is what Kampe wants. Its like Texas tech QBs they were great and getting great yards and passing a lot because they had a system that they played in that fit to that strenght. You can dismiss if you want but he is a volume shooter no matter how you slice it. He obviously has to be good to make 40 percent regardless of how many you take but I think its more of fit of his strength of shooting on a team where he is the best option. I am pretty sure if Nagy wanted to get one guy to shoot 10 3pt attempts agame, he would coach the team to run more plays for that, Nagy doesnt because his philosophy is different, and I would like to think Bruan and others in the league could still hit 40% if they took more shots.

[Southeast]

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[QUOTE=Givethebunnyabone;222668]
"[Dykstra] was the blue chip recruit. He was the big get for the program. Now I dont watch tons of SDSU games, but follow as much as I can, and I am saying this kid really needs to pick it up. If he didnt play another game at SDSU what would his legacy be? Average? IDK...just asking, but seems to me he hasnt really stood out....yet. Is he waiting for Wolters to leave before he steps it up? "

It's hard to argue that Dykstra has some really dissapointing offensive games from time to time. In the games we have lost, he has averaged just 9 points. There is clearly some truth to the theory that we need Dykstra to score in order to win. The Jacks did get only 10 Dykstra points in the win over NM though.

He has been rebounding well (currently fourth in the conference) but otherwise I don't think any of us are thrilled with how his year has turned out. Does anyone think he is playing better than last year? More reliable than last year? I think anyone expecting him to suddenly start carrying this team offensively next year is going to be dissapointed. Hopefully I am wrong.

[joeboo22]

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Dykstra has impressed me in some areas (playing time, rebounding), but his scoring has hurt, and he has just failed to show up some games. At the same time, some if not a lot of that is based on the offense being ran. Dykstra is the rebounding guy, and is not getting those great outside looks that he has gotten in the past.

[NebraskaJack]

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Nobody in the league would hit anywhere close to 40% like Bader does if they had to put up the shots he does. Merely being able to get off 11 threes a game while every team tries to prevent it is a pretty impressive feat in and of itself.

Dykstra, Braun, Felt, etc, etc, etc hit high percentages because they are much more selective with their shots. If they could do what Bader does, you can bet your rear end they would shoot more. Heck, if Kasperbauer is hitting 55%, he is being way too selective with his shot. He misses every shot he doesn't take.

Bader is good. Really good. Fans trying to qualify it otherwise is petty, IMO.

I'm with you.

Shooting 40% from 3 nets you the same amount of points as shooting 60% from 2. Why wouldn't you make that person a volume shooter? It takes a special player to get off that many shots and shoot that type of percentage, if it was easy everyone would do it. You have to have ice water in your veins to be able to do that.

I love our guys, but does anyone think that White, Carlson or Dykstra has that level of confidence right now? How many times have they completely gone in a shell this season and quit shooting especially after starting off cold? That's the beauty of Bader, he keeps his confidence rolling. Can he shoot you out of a game if he gets cold, most likely, but I would argue that he doesn't have anymore negative effect than going into a shell and forcing your team to play 4 on 5 offensively.

[jack power]

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Nobody in the league would hit anywhere close to 40% like Bader does if they had to put up the shots he does. Merely being able to get off 11 threes a game while every team tries to prevent it is a pretty impressive feat in and of itself.

Dykstra, Braun, Felt, etc, etc, etc hit high percentages because they are much more selective with their shots. If they could do what Bader does, you can bet your rear end they would shoot more. Heck, if Kasperbauer is hitting 55%, he is being way too selective with his shot. He misses every shot he doesn't take.

Bader is good. Really good. Fans trying to qualify it otherwise is petty, IMO.

+ gazillion

[goon]

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I'm with you.

Shooting 40% from 3 nets you the same amount of points as shooting 60% from 2. Why wouldn't you make that person a volume shooter? It takes a special player to get off that many shots and shoot that type of percentage, if it was easy everyone would do it. You have to have ice water in your veins to be able to do that.

I love our guys, but does anyone think that White, Carlson or Dykstra has that level of confidence right now? How many times have they completely gone in a shell this season and quit shooting especially after starting off cold? That's the beauty of Bader, he keeps his confidence rolling. Can he shoot you out of a game if he gets cold, most likely, but I would argue that he doesn't have anymore negative effect than going into a shell and forcing your team to play 4 on 5 offensively.

I think some are negating the effect a system has on certain players. Would nate be as effective if he was at Western that have a very slow dileberate system. Would Bader get that many shots at NSDU where they run a different system. Im not saying white or carlson should shoot 10 3s agame, IMHO If you put braun, or Dykstra on Oakland and Kampe runs that many set plays for them I think they would be able to do as good as Bader if not better because they are taller. Its the system that makes him good as a volume shooter. Not taking anything away from him, he is good at what he does, because he can shoot so much in that system.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I think its more coaching style and system, its exploiting what a player does well. I think other coaches could and to say other players couldnt make 40% if they took more shots is being diengenious. He is a jump shooter that plays for a coach who coaches for jump shooters. That is what Kampe wants. Its like Texas tech QBs they were great and getting great yards and passing a lot because they had a system that they played in that fit to that strenght. You can dismiss if you want but he is a volume shooter no matter how you slice it. He obviously has to be good to make 40 percent regardless of how many you take but I think its more of fit of his strength of shooting on a team where he is the best option. I am pretty sure if Nagy wanted to get one guy to shoot 10 3pt attempts agame, he would coach the team to run more plays for that, Nagy doesnt because his philosophy is different, and I would like to think Bruan and others in the league could still hit 40% if they took more shots.

Travis Bader takes 16.19 shots per game.
Nate Wolters takes 15.42 shots per game.

In other words, Bader takes less than 1 more shot per game than Nate Wolters who we all love and admire. Yet Bader is dismissed as a nothing special volume shooter, whatever that is.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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And in the process of arguing in this thread, I come to realize Bader is only a Junior. Poop.

[goon]

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Travis Bader takes 16.19 shots per game.
Nate Wolters takes 15.42 shots per game.

In other words, Bader takes less than 1 more shot per game than Nate Wolters who we all love and admire. Yet Bader is dismissed as a nothing special volume shooter, whatever that is.

Not sure where I said he was nothing special?

Nate takes majority of his shots in the side arch, Bader does most of his outside the arc. They are different players, different styles, but what makes bader good at 3s is he attempts more then anyone, thats the point. Most apparently think that no one else is college basketball can handle the thought of shoot more then 10 3pt attempt like Bader does but say if he shoot 4-5 like most people is avg points is like 15 agame which is still good. But apparently I am alone in thinking that his ability/volume of 3pt attempts skews those numbers.

If he shot like 50 percent I would be impressed, but 40 percent is really good, but not amzing like some make it seem. He is like a poor mans JJ Reddick, and I am a huge Duke fan and loved Reddick but he was a 3 pt shooter that sort of learned to drive the ball his senior year. Thats what he was and has been and the system and style of play he did made him good at it. Not taking anything way from Bader but I think fans need to look more into what those numbers mean. But its just my opinion and dont expect people to agree with it, just saying thats how I see it when I watch him play and when I look at stats.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Nobody in the league would hit anywhere close to 40% like Bader does if they had to put up the shots he does. Merely being able to get off 11 threes a game while every team tries to prevent it is a pretty impressive feat in and of itself.

Dykstra, Braun, Felt, etc, etc, etc hit high percentages because they are much more selective with their shots. If they could do what Bader does, you can bet your rear end they would shoot more. Heck, if Kasperbauer is hitting 55%, he is being way too selective with his shot. He misses every shot he doesn't take.

Bader is good. Really good. Fans trying to qualify it otherwise is petty, IMO.

This guy understands basketball.