Gdt - oakland

[NorCalJack]

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Travis Bader takes 16.19 shots per game.
Nate Wolters takes 15.42 shots per game.

In other words, Bader takes less than 1 more shot per game than Nate Wolters who we all love and admire. Yet Bader is dismissed as a nothing special volume shooter, whatever that is.

Well I for one am not as high on Bader as you probably are. He does help space the floor for their team, but is a bit one dimensional. He does not have a lot of assists. He does not rebound very well. I don't think he is a great defensive player. He is really good at the free throw line. He can shoot the three and comes off screens well and has a quick release. He is also a streaky shooter. He reminds me of Clint Sargent. Bader probably shoots the three better than Clint, but they are about the same player in my eyes. I think Bader's Basketball IQ is average at best. I don't see him stepping into lanes to intercept passes or cutting to the hoop when the opportunity presents itself. He does get wide open looks from three, but I don't see him getting easy baskets at the hoop or score in the lane.

Nate does a lot more for the team than Bader does. Nate can handle the ball like nobody else in this league. For as much time as Nate has the ball and his responsibilities for bringing the ball up the court, he has an extremely low turnover rate. Although Nate may not be the quickest guard in the league, he can change pace and direction, which allows him to create space for drives to the hoop, passes to teammates and pull up jumpers. Nate has the highest Basketball IQ I have seen in a player at this level in a long, long time. He just seems to be ahead of the defense mentally all of the time. Also if Nate gets the ball in the open court, he will score or be fouled almost every time. Even in the Oakland game when he had two defenders, he used a wrap around, reverse lay-up to score and was fouled. Bader has nothing in his game that suggest he could do something like that.

[Grizz]

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Bader is not Nate. Ones a 6-5 shooter the other a 6-3 point. Kind of a stupid comparison. The guy was not comparing them as players, just they both shoot a lot. When Bader had Benson and JJ at the point he made 94 threes and shot 45% he was the 3rd option on that team and guarded differently. Now every game the focus is to stop him. 40% is awesome the way he is guarded, and so you know he is on track to break JJ rediks record and become the greatest 3 point maker in the HISTORY of college basketball. Mate is great, Bader is great for Oakland

[Southeast]

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The guy is a top-5 scorer in the NCAA. If getting that done simply required chucking up 15 3's per game don't you think that leader board would be crowded with similar players? No, he does not have nate' all-around game, but how many guys do? If he did, what are the odds he'd be playing for Oakland? Hopefully you guys realize how ridiculously lucky we are to have a player at Wolter's level. The entire league is lucky to have a single player like him.

[OldHare]

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I would not want to be compared to LakesBison who has no appreciaton for a quality player such as Bader or Clark or Gaines or whoever that might play on an opposing squad. Give the Bader guy a shoutout as a great pure shooter who knows how to get that quick release. He is not a Nate Wolters nor do I think anyone is trying to make that comparison. He is a guy who I wished did not redshirt and he would be graduated after this season. This is a weapon at the level any team would surely welcome. The Jacks staff needs to get a plan and personnel in line for the next time we come across this bunch. Meanwhile there are 4 teams that will be serious contenders for the tournament regardless of the seed earned. Go Jacks!!

[witness]

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Well I for one am not as high on Bader as you probably are. He does help space the floor for their team, but is a bit one dimensional. He does not have a lot of assists. He does not rebound very well. I don't think he is a great defensive player. He is really good at the free throw line. He can shoot the three and comes off screens well and has a quick release. He is also a streaky shooter. He reminds me of Clint Sargent. Bader probably shoots the three better than Clint, but they are about the same player in my eyes. I think Bader's Basketball IQ is average at best. I don't see him stepping into lanes to intercept passes or cutting to the hoop when the opportunity presents itself. He does get wide open looks from three, but I don't see him getting easy baskets at the hoop or score in the lane.Nate does a lot more for the team than Bader does. Nate can handle the ball like nobody else in this league. For as much time as Nate has the ball and his responsibilities for bringing the ball up the court, he has an extremely low turnover rate. Although Nate may not be the quickest guard in the league, he can change pace and direction, which allows him to create space for drives to the hoop, passes to teammates and pull up jumpers. Nate has the highest Basketball IQ I have seen in a player at this level in a long, long time. He just seems to be ahead of the defense mentally all of the time. Also if Nate gets the ball in the open court, he will score or be fouled almost every time. Even in the Oakland game when he had two defenders, he used a wrap around, reverse lay-up to score and was fouled. Bader has nothing in his game that suggest he could do something like that.

Pretty much perfectly sums up my thoughts on Bader as well

[poppa1]

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According to statistics Nate has taken a total of 492 shots and Bader has taken 702 shots. Nate has played in 2 less games.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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According to statistics Nate has taken a total of 492 shots and Bader has taken 702 shots. Nate has played in 2 less games.

3 point attempts are included as field goal attempts. Bader has 421 field goal attempts, Nate has 370 in two less games. They take very close to the same number of shots unless I am taking crazy pills.

[Rabbitball]

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3 point attempts are included as field goal attempts. Bader has 421 field goal attempts, Nate has 370 in two less games. They take very close to the same number of shots unless I am taking crazy pills.

You are sane, Bader is not averaging 27 shots/game

[witness]

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PER wise, Bader is 8th best in conference and not top 100 nationally with a measly 20.39 PER, Wolters is 12th nationally with a 30.63 PER and is 4 points ahead of the next guy in conference. Simmons from UNO is more efficient than Bader and has a similar PER to Ceola Clark.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Do you want a guy like Bader to exert himself for rebounds and clash the glass? When you have a 6'10" beast down low and another strong forward? Do you want Bader passing the rock and running the O? What about the shots that Bader gets for other players just from the other team focusing on him? Those things don't go down as assists obviously, but he helps his team get good looks. It's really fortunate that Bader's greatest skill (scoring) really isn't all that essential in basketball.

To simply dismiss Bader as "one dimensional" because he doesn't get other stats is doing a disservice to Bader and to the game of basketball. Look at what Brayden has done on the offensive this year against Oakland compared to last year. Do you think it could have anything to do with the fact that he is worn down from chasing Bader? How do you measure the value of that?

And when a guy is still scoring at an unbelievably great clip and is one of the best in the country at doing that ...

Grizz has a good point actually. Nate Wolters, he is not. But they don't need him to be.

[jack power]

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Do you want a guy like Bader to exert himself for rebounds and clash the glass? When you have a 6'10" beast down low and another strong forward? Do you want bader passing the rock and running the O? What about the shots that Bader gets for other players just from the other team focusing on him? Those things don't go down assists obviously, but he helps his team get good looks. It's really fortunate that Bader's greatest skill (scoring) really isn't all that essential in basketball.

Exactly. Every player on every team has a role. His is to score points and play decent defense. He does them both.

[witness]

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The amount of excuses in this thread is comical.

[NebraskaJack]

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No excuses from me.....my only point is that he is a tremendous 3 point shooter given the defensive attention he faces on a nightly basis. Never once said he could pass, rebound or play defense (nor did I say he couldn't).

I would love to have him on the Jacks. Imagine the open looks he would get with teams forced to sag to stop Nate on the drive.

[Nidaros]

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No excuses from me.....my only point is that he is a tremendous 3 point shooter given the defensive attention he faces on a nightly basis. Never once said he could pass, rebound or play defense (nor did I say he couldn't).

I would love to have him on the Jacks. Imagine the open looks he would get with teams forced to sag to stop Nate on the drive.

I would too, also his predcessor, Kangas was great with his threes as well. I believe Bader is a little taller and seems to be very mobile than Kangas and deadly off the screens set for him. You have to as Jackmd said credit Valentine, Mondy and Williams, these guys were the ones who beat us, but without Bader, these guys might not have had a banner day like they did.

I am anxious to see what our redshirts and incoming freshman have to offer next year. With Nate's departure, we are going to need some show.

[jackmd]

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The amount of excuses in this thread is comical.

I'm confused. What excuses are there? I must have missed something.

Bader is a great 3-point shooter so he takes a lot of 3-point shots. He misses more than he makes as do most players with all their shots. When he makes one its worth 3 points instead of 2. Therefore, its important to defend him hoping that will result in him missing a few more. However, you can't dedicate your defense to stopping one guy that shoots well from the 3-point line when his teammates are beating your ass to the hoop for easy layups. That is where the problem occurred last Saturday, no excuses.