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    I think Jordan's problem is his passing, that is what he needs to work on. He gets a bunch of double teams, and with the offense the Jacks run there is no easy pass out of a double team, and he tends to hold it too long and then force it.

    As far as coach, I think teams will call, but I doubt he'd go, I don't think Illinois is going to contact him, maybe Southern Illinois, but that is about it. He has kids in high school, and gets paid very well right now. I think he knows what type of a team he has coming back next year and wouldn't want to walk away from it.

    As far as the red shirts. I just hope they can contribute where needed, wherever that is. Whether that is in practice, or game time. walk-ons help with red shirting, the more walk-ons you have the easier it is to red shirt a player that can contribute at times, but won't all the time. It would have been nice to red shirt the two Zachs but you can't play with 8 guys especially when Jordan, Chad and Nate were battling injuries early in the season.

    Here is my run down on how every needs to improve if you want to get back and win next year, and I'm being indepth but not critical.

    1. Nate Wolters- needs to work on his outside shot, I also think he needs to work on slowing down just a tad at times, seems he gets into it and wants to run a set for him 3 seconds into the shot clock and takes a bad shot at times.

    2. Brayden Carlson- needs to work on his dribble game, can shoot, can defend, now needs to work on that 2 dribbles and shoot, or take it to the rack and go up strong

    3. Dykstra- talked about it already with the passing, conditioning needs to get better, but it was much better this year than last.

    4. Feigen- work on his back to the basket moves a bit and his jumper. His defense is good, his rebounding is alright, and his passing is excellent. Needs to improve the offensive game a bit so he can get those double teams.

    5. White- same as Carlson, also needs to work on his post game a bit, he's 6'6" with long arms, could be a matchup nightmare

    6. Taevaunn- work on his shot a bit, also needs to take a breath and not force it. work on some post moves as well

    7. Marcus- stronger, more of an offensive mind set.

    8. Zach H.- didn't see a ton of him, but be in position to be able to come in and play solid minutes. I believe he will take a large part of the roll Griffin had.

    9. Zach M. didn't see him a ton either. Needs to be at a level where when Nate comes out, he is going in. If he can play 8-10 minutes a game at the point next year, and make it so Nate can play off the ball for half and get breathers the other have he will contribute nicely for the team.

    10. Connor D.- will be a freshman, but if he can come in strong enough where he can play he will help this defense a ton. If you put a shot blocker on SDSU's team, you help their defense, and SDSU's offense is ran better out of a miss then a make.

    Redshirts- come in and expect to play, work hard, I don't know anyone of their games well enough to critique it.

    Who I'd recruit- I think there are two targets out there.

    1. I'd try to get that 6'8" power forward who can rebound, defend, prolly a JuCo, and prolly less likely

    2. That 6'4" PG who can score, dish and do everything (nates replacement)

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      Originally posted by jackmd View Post
      I agree 100%. Jordan is a talented player that is going to continue to be a key for this team. He literally nearly threw away the game against WIU with multiple turnovers and that was after he jump started the offense with 3 buckets. Even an average game from him and the outcome may have been different last night.

      I got berated for questioning Jordan's effort early in the season. I think I deserved it and I'm not questioning his effort now. He has the ability to play much better than he did against WIU and last night. Maybe he is banged up. Maybe its just the drag of the season. Regardless, we need him next year and whatever it takes to get him there needs to happen.
      If Jordan is going to continue to play mostly on the perimeter,which I believe he will with Tony and Connor Devine playing the post,I would like to see him lose a little weight. His style is similiar to Kevin Love,who has benefitted greatly this year from slimming down a little and increasing his agility and quickness.

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        Originally posted by joeboo22 View Post
        I think Jordan's problem is his passing, that is what he needs to work on. He gets a bunch of double teams, and with the offense the Jacks run there is no easy pass out of a double team, and he tends to hold it too long and then force it.

        As far as coach, I think teams will call, but I doubt he'd go, I don't think Illinois is going to contact him, maybe Southern Illinois, but that is about it. He has kids in high school, and gets paid very well right now. I think he knows what type of a team he has coming back next year and wouldn't want to walk away from it.

        As far as the red shirts. I just hope they can contribute where needed, wherever that is. Whether that is in practice, or game time. walk-ons help with red shirting, the more walk-ons you have the easier it is to red shirt a player that can contribute at times, but won't all the time. It would have been nice to red shirt the two Zachs but you can't play with 8 guys especially when Jordan, Chad and Nate were battling injuries early in the season.

        Here is my run down on how every needs to improve if you want to get back and win next year, and I'm being indepth but not critical.

        1. Nate Wolters- needs to work on his outside shot, I also think he needs to work on slowing down just a tad at times, seems he gets into it and wants to run a set for him 3 seconds into the shot clock and takes a bad shot at times.

        2. Brayden Carlson- needs to work on his dribble game, can shoot, can defend, now needs to work on that 2 dribbles and shoot, or take it to the rack and go up strong

        3. Dykstra- talked about it already with the passing, conditioning needs to get better, but it was much better this year than last.

        4. Feigen- work on his back to the basket moves a bit and his jumper. His defense is good, his rebounding is alright, and his passing is excellent. Needs to improve the offensive game a bit so he can get those double teams.

        5. White- same as Carlson, also needs to work on his post game a bit, he's 6'6" with long arms, could be a matchup nightmare

        6. Taevaunn- work on his shot a bit, also needs to take a breath and not force it. work on some post moves as well

        7. Marcus- stronger, more of an offensive mind set.

        8. Zach H.- didn't see a ton of him, but be in position to be able to come in and play solid minutes. I believe he will take a large part of the roll Griffin had.

        9. Zach M. didn't see him a ton either. Needs to be at a level where when Nate comes out, he is going in. If he can play 8-10 minutes a game at the point next year, and make it so Nate can play off the ball for half and get breathers the other have he will contribute nicely for the team.

        10. Connor D.- will be a freshman, but if he can come in strong enough where he can play he will help this defense a ton. If you put a shot blocker on SDSU's team, you help their defense, and SDSU's offense is ran better out of a miss then a make.

        Redshirts- come in and expect to play, work hard, I don't know anyone of their games well enough to critique it.

        Who I'd recruit- I think there are two targets out there.

        1. I'd try to get that 6'8" power forward who can rebound, defend, prolly a JuCo, and prolly less likely

        2. That 6'4" PG who can score, dish and do everything (nates replacement)
        What about the Bulgarian kid? Do we know anything about him?

        Nate's replacement is in a gym somewhere, holding off offers to Wayne State.........let's find him.....
        With fans like this who needs enemas.....

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        • Re: GDT--Baylor

          Originally posted by zooropa View Post
          1 - Baylor is not a 'Top 10' program. They're incredibly inconsistent. I don't give them good odds to beat Colorado. They are certainly not going to the Elite 8

          2 - Please observe the circular nature of your logic:

          "If Baylor plays to the best of their ability they beat SDSU by thirty, therefore they were not playing to the best of their ability."
          #2 is exactly what I meant. Baylor did not play to the best of their ability. If they had, yes, they would have beaten us by 30. Let's not make it more complicated than it is.

          #1 I agree that they are not a Top 10 program, but their team this year is a Top 10 team (or just outside). Personally, I think SDSU was a wake up call and I believe they are going to thump Colorado.

          Baylor may even pull an upset over Duke, but as an avid Duke fan I can tell you Duke is highly overrated. Yes, I will even admit that they are probably overrated every year. Doesn't really matter come tournament time though......one bad game and your done.......or get hot and make a deep run!

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            Originally posted by TK22867 View Post
            #2 is exactly what I meant. Baylor did not play to the best of their ability. If they had, yes, they would have beaten us by 30. Let's not make it more complicated than it is.

            #1 I agree that they are not a Top 10 program, but their team this year is a Top 10 team (or just outside). Personally, I think SDSU was a wake up call and I believe they are going to thump Colorado.

            Baylor may even pull an upset over Duke, but as an avid Duke fan I can tell you Duke is highly overrated. Yes, I will even admit that they are probably overrated every year. Doesn't really matter come tournament time though......one bad game and your done.......or get hot and make a deep run!
            While I understand your position, if SDSU had played to their ability last night, we may have won by 10. So the shoulda woulda coulda really doesn't matter. Its how one performs in the actual situation.

            Plus, after watching Baylor approximately 10 times this year, I agree their team this year may be top 10. I also agree their overall program is not top 10, not even close. As one of their posters stated on their message board, they've won 4 tournament games since World War II or something.
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              [QUOTE=KUlawJack;201457]While I understand your position, if SDSU had played to their ability last night, we may have won by 10. So the shoulda woulda coulda really doesn't matter. Its how one performs in the actual situation.

              QUOTE]

              That's exactly what gets me about the "Baylor COULD HAVE whipped us by 30" logic. That train of thought does not run on one-way tracks. Did you negative-nancys see how many wide open shots we missed last night. If a couple of those go in, there's a very good chance that the whole country is talking about SDSU right now. That's how close we were - in spite of not playing OUR best game.

              What's with all the negativity? That was one hell of a fun experience and the team represented the State and the Summit very well.

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                Saying they could beat us by 30 isn't being negative, it's being realistic. Don't be so defensive. We easily could have won last night. Hell we should have won last night. But Baylor has the talent to beat us by 30 if we are off our game. If UND had the capability of beating us by 19, Baylor sure as **** has the capability of beating us by 30 if we play like dog****. Nothing wrong with admitting that.
                Originally posted by JackFan96
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                • Re: GDT--Baylor

                  Lots of teams could beat us by 30 if we played bad enough, so saying Baylor could beat us by 30 isn't wrong, but anyone who thinks Baylor should have beat us by 30 is wrong.

                  We don't have the athletes some of these power six conference teams have, but we have some darn good basketball players with the physical tools to compete at a high level. What last night's game proved to me is we can be competitive with the upper echelon of college basketball. This doesn't mean we'd never be on the wrong end of a blow out lose to these kinds of schools, but the talent level difference isn't as high as some people like to make it seem and winning these games is far from an impossible task.

                  Going into the game, many people were saying that the Jacks would have to play "the game of their lives" just to be competitive. Flash forward, and it turns out we had a realistic shot of winning this game with under a minute to play even though, in my opinion, we had a slightly below average performance compared to what we are actually capable of.

                  The truth is Baylor's best performance would trump the Jacks' best performance, but the Jacks don't need to play out of their minds to beat an average performance by the Bears either. Personally, I believe a slightly above average performance would have been good enough last night to push us into the round of 32.
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                  • Re: GDT--Baylor

                    Originally posted by RabbitObsessed View Post
                    Saying they could beat us by 30 isn't being negative, it's being realistic. Don't be so defensive. We easily could have won last night. Hell we should have won last night. But Baylor has the talent to beat us by 30 if we are off our game. If UND had the capability of beating us by 19, Baylor sure as **** has the capability of beating us by 30 if we play like dog****. Nothing wrong with admitting that.
                    So basically what I think should be said if a team plays a near perfect game against us and we stink it up we could lose by 30. Isnt that the case for most every team. Even some top teams in the country can lay in egg every once in a while. Does baylor have talent to play better, yep. Did we have the talent to play better yep. Both teams didnt really play a great game and we were 1 3pt miss in the last 30 seconds of the game from making it a 1 point game when we were clearly not playing our best, or even an Avg game. So I think SDSU fans need to stop holding power confrence teams on some pedestal taht we cant touch. do you think Gonzaga thinks that U Dub and Oregon schools etc are better then they are just because of the confrence they are in?

                    We are young at D-1 but have proven a lot but still have a lot to prove, I think we are only seeing the beginning of what this program can do. If other Mid majors can be a power, I have no doubt in my mind that we will be there. Even to the point of not jsut making the mid major top 25 but coaches and AP top 25. Not next year but I think it can happen. I Like to think that the best is yet to come.
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                      Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                      The truth is Baylor's best performance would trump the Jacks' best performance, but the Jacks don't need to play out of their minds to beat an average performance by the Bears either. Personally, I believe a slightly above average performance would have been good enough last night to push us into the round of 32.
                      ACtually if we just shoot our season avg on 3s we probably win. 30 percent if we shoot 39 percent that is a huge difference in how the game turns out. imagine if we shot 50% then we could have thumped um IMO but that is hard to do. So an Avg game from us last night might have done it. Both team struggled IMO both played some good D but both just flat out made mistakes and we made a few more then they did that is why they won.
                      "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

                      Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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                      • Re: GDT--Baylor

                        Jacks missed a ton of open 3's last night. Hit the 40% average on those, and 75% at FT line, eek out a win.

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                          This is my opinion regarding the losing by 30...wait...let me put it more eloquently

                          With fans like this who needs enemas.....

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                          • Re: GDT--Baylor

                            These were always the equations:
                            Baylor's best game + SDSU's best game = likely Baylor win.
                            Baylor's worst game + SDSU's best game = SDSU blowing Baylor out Washington-style.
                            Baylor's best game + SDSU's worst game = SDSU getting blown out with alacrity.
                            Baylor's average game + SDSU's average game = probably Baylor win, but competitive all the way through.
                            Baylor's worst game + SDSU's worst game = likely Baylor win unless SDSU's 3's are falling at a remarkable rate. Seems to me that this describes the game as it actually unfolded.

                            (Feel free to replace, at least three of the last four of those statements, "Baylor" with approximately 80% of all D-I teams, lather, rinse, repeat).
                            Last edited by filbert; 03-16-2012, 01:42 PM. Reason: Modified punch line after reading to actually make sense
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                              Originally posted by Theee Catrabbit View Post
                              This is my opinion regarding the losing by 30...wait...let me put it more eloquently

                              Well take that up with Coach Nagy then. He brought it up himself in the post game interview. Or if I'm remembering incorrectly, it was Coach Klink. Either way, one of the coaches themselves brought up the fact that Baylor has the ability to do that. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to say that.
                              Originally posted by JackFan96
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                                Originally posted by RabbitObsessed View Post
                                Well take that up with Coach Nagy then. He brought it up himself in the post game interview. Or if I'm remembering incorrectly, it was Coach Klink. Either way, one of the coaches themselves brought up the fact that Baylor has the ability to do that. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to say that.
                                No one is doubting they had the ability to do it. It is this perception that it should have happened. Why? Baylor did not play their best and neither did we, so there is no reason anyone should have expected a larger margin of victory.

                                As I said, shoulda woulda coulda. Doesn't mean ****.
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