Biggest day in South Dakota sports history?

[Evolution Prime]

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Got a screen pic from @marcustraxler off of Twitter.

[bigticket1]

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Yes, I agree with everything I posted there. I'm such a big basketball guy that I wanted more from the team because I knew they had in it them. It wasn't a good showing by SDSU and I think you can agree with that. National stage and everything, they looked bad. I'm more excited for getting the win as any fan out there but I just wish they could have exploded onto the scene with a big blowout win. I hope the game doesn't effect their seeding in the NCAA tourney. For me, it didn't seem as great as it could have been. It seemed Bob Valvano felt the same during the broadcast as well as I don't think he came away as impressed as the previous game.

Now am I happy as hell they won? Absolutely! This is fantastic, but I just wanted more. The truth is that a win in the NCAA tourney would mean everything and more than a good showing in the championship game. That's what really counts and I'll take that.

I don't think that how impressive a team looks during their game that gets them into the tournament has much effect on seeding. More objective things like RPI,strength of schedule, record in the last ten games and records against top 50 RPI teams will be what carries the most weight when seeding

[SturgisJeff]

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for a person with the Defense wins games perspective that was probably the best game ever.

[RowdyRabbit]

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Got a screen pic from @marcustraxler off of Twitter.

That is one hellish looking Jackrabbit paw.

*Vomit*

*email sent*

[6-4-3 Jackrabbit]

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I couldn't agree more. Their timing was terrible the other evening.

Unless, of course, you have a pep-band that decides to play at the most inopportune times and thereby ending any "Let's go Rabbits" chants that are developing. I counted two times last night that the pep band single-handidly killed the crowd's intensity.

Don't get me wrong, I love our pep band, but sometimes they just neeed to put the instruments down and let the crowd do their thing.

[6-4-3 Jackrabbit]

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I hope Joe Lunardi is on the right track. He has State as a 13 seed. That would be awesome. I was thinking 15 and maybe as high as a 14. What would really help would be more conference champions like Western Kentucky (who has a losing record). Go Rabbits!

[filbert]

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I hope Joe Lunardi is on the right track. He has State as a 13 seed. That would be awesome. I was thinking 15 and maybe as high as a 14. What would really help would be more conference champions like Western Kentucky (who has a losing record). Go Rabbits!

I suspect a lot of amateur bracketologists are putting SDSU on the 14-15 line more on (lack of) reputation than anything else. People who are actually looking at RPI, the computer ratings, and "body of work" and seeing things like the Washington road win are probably going "woah, where did these guys come from?" (They're probably also going "how did they possibly lose to UND and USD" but that's water under the bridge now.)

If Washington wins out in the Pac 12 tournament (2 pm CT today vs. Oregon State, by the way), that might just pull SDSU up into the 13 line, but I'm expecting a 14 right now (with the caveat that I haven't sat down and done my own S-curve or anything like that).

Go Huskies!

[jackrabbit1979]

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I think we are right on the tipping point between a 13/14 seed right now.

Taking into consideration the 4 "opening round" (play-in) games, there are 14 teams in the dance that will be seeded at 14 or lower. If you are looking solely at RPI, our RPI right now sits at 49 or 50. Tyler M tweeted last night that there are 9 teams that have already clinched berths that have an RPI of 60 or higher and another 5 tournaments yet to be determined where no team has a RPI lower than 60. That would mean at the very least, 14 teams that will be in the tournament will have a lower RPI than us, and if you are using RPI as a determining factor we would be right at that 13/14 cutline.

My hope is that we land a 13 obvioulsly (I think there is a big difference between a 13 and 14 seed as far as who you play), but that we completely avoid the 13 seed matchup that is played on Tuesday as part of the opening round. Playing on Tuesday would take some of the luster off the opportunity in my eyes - although it would provide a more winnable game most likely.

Hypothetical question: Would you rather have the 13 and play on Tuesday or a 14 and be guaranteed a game on either Thursday or Friday (the traditional first round games)?

[NebraskaJack]

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I think we are right on the tipping point between a 13/14 seed right now.

Taking into consideration the 4 "opening round" (play-in) games, there are 14 teams in the dance that will be seeded at 14 or lower. If you are looking solely at RPI, our RPI right now sits at 49 or 50. Tyler M tweeted last night that there are 9 teams that have already clinched berths that have an RPI of 60 or higher and another 5 tournaments yet to be determined where no team has a RPI lower than 60. That would mean at the very least, 14 teams that will be in the tournament will have a lower RPI than us, and if you are using RPI as a determining factor we would be right at that 13/14 cutline.

My hope is that we land a 13 obvioulsly (I think there is a big difference between a 13 and 14 seed as far as who you play), but that we completely avoid the 13 seed matchup that is played on Tuesday as part of the opening round. Playing on Tuesday would take some of the luster off the opportunity in my eyes - although it would provide a more winnable game most likely.

Hypothetical question: Would you rather have the 13 and play on Tuesday or a 14 and be guaranteed a game on either Thursday or Friday (the traditional first round games)?

Aren't there 68 teams in the tournament this year? That would mean 16 teams 14th seed or lower. I was listening to ESPN this morning and they were making the case for Tennessee who is currently at a 75ish RPI to make the field. Even if they or a Northwestern from the Big 10 make it as the last at large.....I can't picture them being seeded worse than us. Strictly by RPI we are a borderline 12th seed, but I see us as a 14th depending on how many upsets are left to happen in the conference tournaments.

[HoboD]

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Hypothetical question: Would you rather have the 13 and play on Tuesday or a 14 and be guaranteed a game on either Thursday or Friday (the traditional first round games)?

The NCAA paysout for the tournament based on wins. My understanding from prior postings is that the playin game wins count just as much as the first round wins do. Therefore, from a financial standpoint we and the conference would do better playing and winning a playin game. If anyone knows differently on the payouts please respond. As far as pure national exposure, obviously the Thursday/Friday first round games get more exposure, so best scenario, play and win the playin and then get a Thursday/Friday game.

[filbert]

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The NCAA paysout for the tournament based on wins. My understanding from prior postings is that the playin game wins count just as much as the first round wins do. Therefore, from a financial standpoint we and the conference would do better playing and winning a playin game. If anyone knows differently on the payouts please respond. As far as pure national exposure, obviously the Thursday/Friday first round games get more exposure, so best scenario, play and win the playin and then get a Thursday/Friday game.

Actually, it's basically games played in the tournament.

You get one share for making the tournament (and yes, the play-in games count for a full share). You get another share for each game you win (and therefore advance). So if SDSU wins the first round game and loses in the second round, we'd get two shares for the conference. Don't know if the champion gets another share for winning the championship game. We'll worry about that when we get there.

[rabidrabbit]

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Yes, there are 68 teams. However, it is split: 6 - Seed 16, 6 - Seed 12/13 (last at-large adds), with 4 each for the other lines.

There is a potential for an increased tourney split if play in that first round at Dayton. This could be a good thing for the Jacks to get matched against a "last in" BCS school, and then win. Go on from there and play a 4/5, still a good shot. VCU used this 1st round play-in to march to the final 4 last year.

Doubt Jacks will be in the play-in at the 12/13 level, as it would, unless ORU selected as at-large, leave an under 20 conference RPI conference potentially w/o a team in the round of 64.

[filbert]

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Yes, there are 68 teams. However, it is split: 6 - Seed 16, 6 - Seed 12/13 (last at-large adds), with 4 each for the other lines.

There is a potential for an increased tourney split if play in that first round at Dayton. This could be a good thing for the Jacks to get matched against a "last in" BCS school, and then win. Go on from there and play a 4/5, still a good shot. VCU used this 1st round play-in to march to the final 4 last year.

Doubt Jacks will be in the play-in at the 12/13 level, as it would, unless ORU selected as at-large, leave an under 20 conference RPI conference potentially w/o a team in the round of 64.

SDSU will not be in a play-in game. The play-in games are four 16-seed (conference champions) and basically the four lowest at-large teams. From the NCAA selection "principles and procedures":

The last four at-large teams selected to the field, as well as teams seeded 65 through 68, will be paired to compete in first-round games on Tuesday and Wednesday following the announcement of the field.

SDSU is an automatic qualifier, and is in no danger of being seeded 65-68.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Aren't there 68 teams in the tournament this year? That would mean 16 teams 14th seed or lower. I was listening to ESPN this morning and they were making the case for Tennessee who is currently at a 75ish RPI to make the field. Even if they or a Northwestern from the Big 10 make it as the last at large.....I can't picture them being seeded worse than us. Strictly by RPI we are a borderline 12th seed, but I see us as a 14th depending on how many upsets are left to happen in the conference tournaments.

68 teams in the tourney is correct - the four extra teams are seeded as 16 seeds (two of them) and an extra 12 and an extra 13. The rest of the seeds (1-11, 14 and 15) all have four teams. I don't think we'll get a 12 no matter what happens (that would be sweet though)...I see us at the 13/14.

[jackrabbit1979]

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SDSU will not be in a play-in game. The play-in games are four 16-seed (conference champions) and basically the four lowest at-large teams. From the NCAA selection "principles and procedures":

SDSU is an automatic qualifier, and is in no danger of being seeded 65-68.

I thought I had heard of that rule before, but couldn't remember if I was right. That is good - I'd rather forgo the extra share of tournament money in order to guarantee we play on Thursday or Friday.