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[joeboo22]

Re: Buffalo

Why not? It won't hurt him. Get his name out there more and play against some of the elite competition and find out what he needs to work on and where he stands against the rest of the competition. Unless you have first-hand info I don't get why he wouldnt.

The NCAA changed the rule, its not near as friendly as it once was. You have to make your decision whether or not you are in the day before signing day now. At least that is how I understand the rule. That hurts any year, especially this year with the late season because of the lockout.

[witness]

Re: Buffalo

The NCAA changed the rule, its not near as friendly as it once was. You have to make your decision whether or not you are in the day before signing day now. At least that is how I understand the rule. That hurts any year, especially this year with the late season because of the lockout.

Well the initial signing day is april 11, and the first round of the NCAA is March 13. It would give him over half a month to get his name out there and get some input on what he should work on. I guess I always think if you are a fringe draft prospect you should always test it after your junior year even if you know you are coming back.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Buffalo

The NCAA changed the rule, its not near as friendly as it once was. You have to make your decision whether or not you are in the day before signing day now. At least that is how I understand the rule. That hurts any year, especially this year with the late season because of the lockout.

If true, another example of NCAA brilliance. Allow one-and-done, don't let kids play again if they test the waters.

[joeboo22]

Re: Buffalo

If true, another example of NCAA brilliance. Allow one-and-done, don't let kids play again if they test the waters.

I understand why they did it. The major conferences were upset because of the amount of players in limbo. They had kids who were waiting until June to decide, while trying to figure out if they were going to recruit a replacement or not. I wish the two could work together to figure out something that would work for both.

[goon]

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I guess the way I look at it but college ball is for college. its not a pre NBA test run. If your in college you play college ball once you are done you think about going pro or D league or over seas. The nba shouldnt act like it cant get talent with out making kids test the waters if you will. I understand the reasoning behind it but think its silly. If your getting money to play ball for college that is all you focus on until your money is out.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I guess the way I look at it but college ball is for college. its not a pre NBA test run. If your in college you play college ball once you are done you think about going pro or D league or over seas. The nba shouldnt act like it cant get talent with out making kids test the waters if you will. I understand the reasoning behind it but think its silly. If your getting money to play ball for college that is all you focus on until your money is out.

That's an outdated way of thinking and simply not reality.

[leeshajo]

Re: Buffalo

Buffalo just dropped a game to Ohio.

[NoVaJack]

Re: Buffalo

This is not directed at anyone but is directed at a general thread drift whenever men's basketball is discussed as of late:

On the verge of the team going possibly 25-7 in a D-1 regular season, with a decent shot at the first NCAA tournament slot in the school's history, why the fixation on NateNBA when he, himself, has pooh-poohed it to TV? Are folks so unaccustomed to being here they don't know how to live in the moment when it gets here? Speculating on injuries, speculating on NBA declaration dates - really, what does that have to do with right now?

[witness]

Re: Buffalo

This is not directed at anyone but is directed at a general thread drift whenever men's basketball is discussed as of late:

On the verge of the team going possibly 25-7 in a D-1 regular season, with a decent shot at the first NCAA tournament slot in the school's history, why the fixation on NateNBA when he, himself, has pooh-poohed it to TV? Are folks so unaccustomed to being here they don't know how to live in the moment when it gets here? Speculating on injuries, speculating on NBA declaration dates - really, what does that have to do with right now?

There is nothing wrong with talking about it. Thats what fans do. The players should focus in the now but we as fans can live in the moment and look forward to the future. Thats part of being a fan.

[goon]

Re: Buffalo

That's an outdated way of thinking and simply not reality.

How many kids in how many programs even have a legit shot at the nba? I have no idea my guess is not many. so why should the ncaa focus on on expoliting a few players and schools where it ends up hurting the school and confrence and by extension the ncaa as a whole.

Because of ncaa policy allowing pro sports to cherry pick the kids they want when they want it imo costs the ncaa money. And money wise the ncaa competes with pro sports not working with them.

Most who are good enough to get to the pro level will be able to do so with out testing the waters but at the same time it can hurt programs by allowing a guy to partially commit so if he leaves the school has a whole to fill early or if he stays the school wasted money by either recruiting a new player or were out looking either way its a messed up system imo.


Oh yeah and stay off my lawn

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Buffalo

How many kids in how many programs even have a legit shot at the nba? I have no idea my guess is not many. so why should the ncaa focus on on expoliting a few players and schools where it ends up hurting the school and confrence and by extension the ncaa as a whole.

Every kid in every program has a legit shot at the NBA. Back in the 70's (get off MY lawn), a kid dropped out of a major college leaving his scholarship behind. Then he went to a small local school, but dropped out there too. Finally, he moved home and worked for the street department in his small hometown. He was picking up garbage, fixing streets, and mowing lawns. You would say that kid had no shot at the NBA. Turns out Larry Bird did all right in the league.

There are an almost infinite number of paths to the NBA. There are a ton of really, really interesting stories for a ton of NBA, NFL, and MLB players. Restricting some of those paths won't hurt the NBA or NCAA, it hurts the individual (athlete). You never know what will happen, limiting opportunities limits results.

Because of ncaa policy allowing pro sports to cherry pick the kids they want when they want it imo costs the ncaa money. And money wise the ncaa competes with pro sports not working with them.

As long as we are talking about unrealistic ideals, is the NCAA supposed to be about making money? Or is that what professional sports are for?

Most who are good enough to get to the pro level will be able to do so with out testing the waters but at the same time it can hurt programs by allowing a guy to partially commit so if he leaves the school has a whole to fill early or if he stays the school wasted money by either recruiting a new player or were out looking either way its a messed up system imo.

Oh yeah and stay off my lawn

The keyword in your last statement is most. Most who are good enough get the opportunity to go to a major school. Most who are good enough get drafted. Most, but not all.

Simple solution. If a kid partially commits, cut him and revoke his scholarship if it is hurting your major program so badly. Go grab another 5 star recruit, and you are no worse off. If one out of 12 kids testing the waters hurts your program that badly, you don't have a good program.

[NebraskaJack]

Re: Buffalo

I'm a little confused over where all the information is coming from that Nate would declare for the NBA draft. I went on line this morning and googled "2012 NBA Mock Draft". I checked approximately 20-25 different sites and never saw Nate's name listed once. I looked at one big board of top 100 draftable players....no Nate. Saw 2 different lists of top point guards, one listed 15 players and no Nate. The other listed the top 100 and saw Nate come in at 45.

As much as I love him as a player, I'm not sure that at this point he is as highly thought of in NBA cirlces as we would like to believe. I would guess he's probably viewed as a good player they want keep their eyes on but nothing more, barring a major run in the NCAA tournament.

If you take a look at previous NBA drafts, about half of the players taken in the 2nd round are Euro's. This happens for a couple of different reasons. One, so they will have their rights if they develop in a couple of years like Ricky Rubio and also because they have no intention of signing others because their bench is already filled with guaranteed contracts. I think Nate is a pretty bright kid and understands both of those scenarios, I don't see any chance he opts out for the NBA draft.

[filbert]

Re: Buffalo

I'm a little confused over where all the information is coming from that Nate would declare for the NBA draft.

Bulletin Board Babble.

[rabbitfarmer]

Re: Buffalo

Nate probably isn't on the mock draft mainly because he is a junior from a small school. If he was in a major conference there would be more talk.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Buffalo

I'm a little confused over where all the information is coming from that Nate would declare for the NBA draft. I went on line this morning and googled "2012 NBA Mock Draft". I checked approximately 20-25 different sites and never saw Nate's name listed once. I looked at one big board of top 100 draftable players....no Nate. Saw 2 different lists of top point guards, one listed 15 players and no Nate. The other listed the top 100 and saw Nate come in at 45.

As much as I love him as a player, I'm not sure that at this point he is as highly thought of in NBA cirlces as we would like to believe. I would guess he's probably viewed as a good player they want keep their eyes on but nothing more, barring a major run in the NCAA tournament.

If you take a look at previous NBA drafts, about half of the players taken in the 2nd round are Euro's. This happens for a couple of different reasons. One, so they will have their rights if they develop in a couple of years like Ricky Rubio and also because they have no intention of signing others because their bench is already filled with guaranteed contracts. I think Nate is a pretty bright kid and understands both of those scenarios, I don't see any chance he opts out for the NBA draft.

He can declare for the draft and then withdraw without any expectation of being drafted. Lots and lots of people declare for the draft every year, the majority do not get drafted, and a lot of them withdraw before the draft ever happens.

He would most likely not get drafted, and come back next year. But by declaring after putting up the kind of season he has, he would be more likely to show up on those lists (or higher on those lists) next year. It could/would raise his profile for next year, so he could be a 1st round pick instead of 2nd round or 2nd round instead of not drafted.

I'm sure there are a ton of reasons why a player wouldn't want to declare. I don't think Keith Benson declared early, nor did Alex Young.

So it really isn't anything more than bulletin board babble.