Sdsu @ ipfw

[goon]

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Bader was something like 10-14 on his three point attempts this year. this was an all time high for makes in a game for Oakland. Last year Bader was 5-10 from three, his career best until thursday. this guy just seems to have his best games against the Jacks when they are at the O'rena. the way he was running around using picks no one could have stayed with him. Griff tried in the second but...

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If anyone read what I said about the oakland game I felt the coaches didn't do a good enough job to change up guarding bader. Whute and carlson only took a couple shots each in that game. They are too good of players and shooters imo to let nate griff jordan take all the shots down the end of the game. We went 2-1 on the road trip losing a close one winning a close one and a blow out. I think most fans will be happy about that and where we sit on the confrence. Maybe what bugs me is ndsu can win at oakland while we can't and we are the better team. At the same time they can lose at ipfw where we played pretty darn good. I think if white and carlson step up just a little more which I think they are capable of doing. That takes some pressure off naters. I didn't say they were bad or pinning the loss at oakland on them. I just think they are good enough to take more shots so griff and naters don't have too. I don't think its a bad thing to expect more out of players.

[SoDakJack]

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If anyone read what I said about the oakland game I felt the coaches didn't do a good enough job to change up guarding bader. Whute and carlson only took a couple shots each in that game. They are too good of players and shooters imo to let nate griff jordan take all the shots down the end of the game. We went 2-1 on the road trip losing a close one winning a close one and a blow out. I think most fans will be happy about that and where we sit on the confrence. Maybe what bugs me is ndsu can win at oakland while we can't and we are the better team. At the same time they can lose at ipfw where we played pretty darn good. I think if white and carlson step up just a little more which I think they are capable of doing. That takes some pressure off naters. I didn't say they were bad or pinning the loss at oakland on them. I just think they are good enough to take more shots so griff and naters don't have too. I don't think its a bad thing to expect more out of players.

You mean like not missing FTs that could put the game away? That, after all, is what made the NDSU game go into overtime and what allowed Oakland to come back and win that game. Could Carlson and White step up their games a bit? Sure. But so could the rest of the team.

[NoVaJack]

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Came here late. Did we play IPFW last night, or Oakland?

[goon]

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You mean like not missing FTs that could put the game away? That, after all, is what made the NDSU game go into overtime and what allowed Oakland to come back and win that game. Could Carlson and White step up their games a bit? Sure. But so could the rest of the team.

Yeah wolters didn't do it late in the game but if maybe a few others would have stepped up just a little. I am not saying they aren't good players or they didn't play well but as a team to win these big games it will take more then just 3 players to fill a stat sheet. I feel we bring out people to play their best games. Teams want to beat us. Look at ndsu they made a run oru went lights out crazy with morrison now bader career night. If the team wants to contend for the confrence title it will take more then just nater going big. It will take every one to step up which might take a little pessure off nate.

Also giving up an incredibly high fg% to ndsu in the second half also helped besided a few free throws.

[NoVaJack]

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Agreed that the Jacks' program has officially turned the corner when a thread that is supposed to be about a kerblastification of a team that, not long ago, we struggled to beat instead lingers on a tough road loss to the defending champs three days ago? Move on, people, we ain't going to win them all.

[bub94]

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If anyone read what I said about the oakland game I felt the coaches didn't do a good enough job to change up guarding bader. Whute and carlson only took a couple shots each in that game. They are too good of players and shooters imo to let nate griff jordan take all the shots down the end of the game. We went 2-1 on the road trip losing a close one winning a close one and a blow out. I think most fans will be happy about that and where we sit on the confrence. Maybe what bugs me is ndsu can win at oakland while we can't and we are the better team. At the same time they can lose at ipfw where we played pretty darn good. I think if white and carlson step up just a little more which I think they are capable of doing. That takes some pressure off naters. I didn't say they were bad or pinning the loss at oakland on them. I just think they are good enough to take more shots so griff and naters don't have too. I don't think its a bad thing to expect more out of players.

The games I have been to, White and Carlson don't rush their shots. That's not a bad thing. Do you want someone out there just throwing crap up? The shots they do take have been good shots and have been after the offense has run a little of the play called and not early shots. Why didn't you add Tony's name to the list you are calling out?

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Yeah wolters didn't do it late in the game but if maybe a few others would have stepped up just a little. I am not saying they aren't good players or they didn't play well but as a team to win these big games it will take more then just 3 players to fill a stat sheet. I feel we bring out people to play their best games. Teams want to beat us. Look at ndsu they made a run oru went lights out crazy with morrison now bader career night. If the team wants to contend for the confrence title it will take more then just nater going big. It will take every one to step up which might take a little pessure off nate.

Also giving up an incredibly high fg% to ndsu in the second half also helped besided a few free throws.

Nate is 4/28 from 3 in the last 8 games. That's 14% from beyond the arc. We are very fortunate to be 6-2 during that stretch, and a lot of it has to do with other players stepping up (and Nate doing some other things well).

He can't do it all himself, and other players do need to step up. A one dimensional Wolters is bad news for this team. It will be very interesting to see how ORU guards him.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Nate is 4/28 from 3 in the last 8 games. That's 14% from beyond the arc. We are very fortunate to be 6-2 during that stretch, and a lot of it has to do with other players stepping up (and Nate doing some other things well).

He can't do it all himself, and other players do need to step up. A one dimensional Wolters is bad news for this team. It will be very interesting to see how ORU guards him.

I'll say, even if Nate isn't hitting 3s he'll still be fine penetrating. He isn't a good driver because he shoots 3s; he's good at driving independent of his 3 point shooting. No one goes into a game with the intention to stop his 3 point shot, even when he did hit 40%. Teams try to stop his penetration first and they still can't do it. We'll be fine.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Although 14% is very bad, Wolters rarely takes 3-point shots when he's set. He is almost always shooting off the dribble. If SDSU had someone that could create their own shot a little bitter, Nate would be more open looks. I'm guessing most of his 3-points are taken as the shot clock is winding down or in transition.

[witness]

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Agreed that the Jacks' program has officially turned the corner when a thread that is supposed to be about a kerblastification of a team that, not long ago, we struggled to beat instead lingers on a tough road loss to the defending champs three days ago? Move on, people, we ain't going to win them all.

I actually like that we as fans are finally expecting nothing less than excellence. Yes losses happen but the Oakland game was a game that we should have won, it wasn't like it was a double-digit move on loss.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I'll say, even if Nate isn't hitting 3s he'll still be fine penetrating. He isn't a good driver because he shoots 3s; he's good at driving independent of his 3 point shooting. No one goes into a game with the intention to stop his 3 point shot, even when he did hit 40%. Teams try to stop his penetration first and they still can't do it. We'll be fine.

I hope you are right, but driving is quite a bit different when your defender is standing 3 feet inside the 3 point line. Its pretty basic basketball that when a player doesn't hit from outside, you sag off him to help out other defenders and stop dribble penetration.

[discoDancinJackrabbit]

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I hope you are right, but driving is quite a bit different when your defender is standing 3 feet inside the 3 point line. Its pretty basic basketball that when a player doesn't hit from outside, you sag off him to help out other defenders and stop dribble penetration.

you think that somebody is going to help out other defenders when they're supposed to be guarding wolters ? there focus is going to be on nate, regardless of his 3 point percentage. and honestly when a defender is sagging off some one like wolters it can tend to be a good thing because it takes pressure off him and frees him up to create better passes and gives him more momentum towards the basket on drives. if i was coaching against wolters i would tell the guys to harass him as early as possible, make him work.. otherwise it's a god foresaken trap-shoot out there for him Go Jacks

[goon]

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The games I have been to, White and Carlson don't rush their shots. That's not a bad thing. Do you want someone out there just throwing crap up? The shots they do take have been good shots and have been after the offense has run a little of the play called and not early shots. Why didn't you add Tony's name to the list you are calling out?

The offense doesn't run through the post much. A lot our outside play and shots. They are good enough players to be more agressive. I was mentioning those to as a way that I think they are capable and talented enough to take more then just 3 or 4 shots agame. Tony plays the post not a guard like white and carlson. That's why I mentioned those 2. To take a little pressure off wolters and griff. At crunch time let those 2 take over but during the game there is no reason they can't find a chance to contribute a little more. Partly blame coaching for having nate and griff having the ball so much. Also the reason tony probably deserves the ball more too. He is very effective scorer imo. As long as they would take the flow of the game and offense in rythem I don't think it would be bad to see them get a few more shots. We have seen they are top notch shooters just would like to see a few more shots. I guess I don't think that's a bad thing.

[LakeJack]

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I like pie

[RabbitObsessed]

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I think White and Carlson fill the roles we need them to fill. They shoot high percentages because they only take good shots.