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  • #46
    Re: The offical UMKC thread

    I think the argument about defending the 3 point line may be a little suspect. Granted, this year has not been a good one and the amount of 3's rained in on us seems to be especially disheartening. However, I don't see it as a coaching issue, but rather an athlete issue.

    At the UWMilwaukee game we opened up in a zone, which seemed to be the wise decision as UWM is more of an athletic team than a shooting team. However, one of their guards got extremely hot and Nagy immediately went to man. At that point, their players began driving around our guys who were just not quite quick enough to stay with them. When the game was turned into a blow out, it was a result of drives to the hoop, not 3's. With a team that is usually less athletic than the opponents (which I think we can all agree is the case for the Jacks most of the time) you have to pick your poison. Most coaches will try to shore up the lane and the glass and hope for a hand in the face of any player launching threes.

    The best teams in the NBA give up open looks for 3s all the time. That's why a guy like Antoine Walker can go a season shooting more 3s than 2s. Those teams have to focus on stopping easy bucket in the lane and ensuring they don't give up the offensive rebound. Unless you are so far superior in talent, you can't expect to shore up every possible scoring threat. For every San Antonio Spurs team in the NBA, there are four Dallas Mavericks or Milwaukee Bucks who give up points in bunches.

    My point is, unless we have the horses to out-man, out-bang a team all over the court, open looks for 3s are something we're going to have to live with.

    - One last thing. At the Marquette game we were able to keep it close early on in the first half because of our post game. Marquette brought in their big guys off the bench and shut the post game down. We then entered the second half making a run on the back of some well timed three pointers. Marquette is a top 25 team and they had to make a choice of what to stop from a below average SDSU team.
    "You just stood their screaming. Fearing no one was listening to you. Hearing only what you wanna hear. Knowing only what you heard." Metallica

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    • #47
      Re: The offical UMKC thread

      I dont' know how this became such a big deal. Nagy's teams may have been hurt by threes, but he's won 80 percent of his games. I'm just suggesting that there have been quite a few times when our three point defense has been deficient.

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      • #48
        Re: The offical UMKC thread

        FROM ESPN
        http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=250170140


        [hr]
        TEAM STAT COMPARISON
        UMKC 95, South Dakota St 85

        SOUTH DAKOTA ST UMKC
        Points 85 95
        FG Made-Attempted 32-66 (.485) 29-63 (.460)
        3P Made-Attempted 8-17 (.471) 12-25 (.480)
        FT Made-Attempted 13-18 (.722) 25-36 (.694)
        Fouls (Tech/Flagrant) 26 (0/0) 17 (0/0)
        Largest Lead 0 24

        GAME LEADERS
         SOUTH DAKOTA ST UMKC
        Points B. Beran 25 M. English 20
        Rebounds B. Beran 10 Q. Day 7
        Assists M. Casey 5 Q. Day 6
        Steals M. Casey 4 M. English 3
        Blocks J. Green 2 C. Aaron 2
        [hr]

        KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Mike English scored 20 points, including 9-of-13 from the free-throw line to help Missouri-Kansas City to a 95-85 win over South Dakota State on Monday.

        The Kangaroos (7-7) have won a school-record seven straight after losing their first seven this season. Until this year, UMKC had not won more than five straight since the Kangaroos began playing in NCAA Division I in 1987.

        The Kangaroos took a 42-28 lead at halftime, but the Jackrabbits (4-12) stormed back in the second half.

        South Dakota State used a 12-0 run to cut UMKC's margin to two at 76-74 on a basket by Ben Beran with 5:35 left in the game. During the Jackrabbits' run, the Kangaroos missed six straight free throws.

        Quinton Day, had nine of his 19 points in the last 4:50, including a 3-pointer that bounced off the rim and through the basket to give UMKC an 89-82 lead with 1:52 left. The Kangaroos connected on four consecutive free throws in the last 26 seconds to preserve the victory.

        Brandon Temple and Tim Blackwell each had 18 points for UMKC, and Carlton Aaron added 11 points.

        Beran led the Jackrabbits with 25 points, including 5-of-7 from the free-throw line, and 10 rebounds. Joe Green had 17 points and 10 rebounds for South Dakota State. Steve Holdren had 12 points, and Mackenzie Casey added 11.

        The Jackrabbits outrebounded the Kangaroos 38-35

        BOX SCORE http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=250170140

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        • #49
          Re: The offical UMKC thread

          Originally posted by 1stRowFANatic

          One of Nagy's post game comments was exactly that point. These guys have played enough D1 teams and games at any level that they should know how they need to come out at the beginning of games without a coach telling them anything.

          As for getting killed by the 3, how many of those open 3's were the result of turnovers? A wide open 3 after a turnover doesn't really reflect upon the coach's defensive strategy, but more likely on the offensive strategy or a lack of talent. If the wide open 3s are happening from the 1/2 court offense, that would reflect more on the defensive strategy.
          To further answer Filbert's question of Nagy" What did he say?" 1st Row has mentioned something that I failed to mention in an earlier post. Nagy talked of the turnovers and subsequent 3 pt basket being a problem and that any wide open shooter should make the basket.

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          • #50
            Re: The offical UMKC thread

            Looking over the stats posted by Kid Dakota, and the one that jumps out at you is the discrepancy in the fouls. 26 for SDSU, 17 for UMKC. That's one place along with turnovers where the talent gap shows up. (Of course, there was the usual inconsistent refereeing in the game, but it looked like it was mainly just bad both ways. There were only a couple of out and out homer ref calls Monday night).

            Or, as my friend says, "Move yer feet!"

            On the good side, I'm now convinced that Mackenzie Casey can play this game . . .

            "I think we'll be OK"

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            • #51
              Re: The offical UMKC thread

              Did Casey and Klienjan start the 2nd half? It may not be a bad move to have Giever and Hokenson come off the bench to let our young guys get a little added experience. Man it's fun coaching from a computer!

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