2011-2012 Men's Roster...

[zooropa]

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not one no-skill bruiser that just wants to bang and rebound and foul some people hard.

And what happens when the Jacks sign a guy like that and he ends up clogging up the offense?

[KUlawJack]

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Put me in that category as well. If we think were going to land a point guard with Nate's abilities on a regular basis than were fooling ourselves. We clearly have not gotten it done on the recruiting end in terms of landing a big,tough, physical player so other players can play their natural positions and that lands squarely on the coaches.

Agree with both of you guys. If people are satisfied with what we have, fine. But look at what happened to us inside last season. It was brutal in some games. I don't care how much mid major basketball you've watched. We need a big to rebound and play defense. We didn't get it and we have 3 open scholarships. That's not good. I bet the coaches would tell you how disappointed they are on that front. In fact, I'd bet a lot on that. Finishing 5th in the league and playing soft defense is not what I want to think about when I think of SDSU basketball. I think we all should expect more than that.

[KUlawJack]

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And what happens when the Jacks sign a guy like that and he ends up clogging up the offense?

So in the name of offense, we should continue to be soft inside on defense? Defense wins championships. Sounds cliche, but offense can fail on any given night. Hard nosed D and rebounding will always give you a chance.

[JACKGUYII]

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There are some bigs on area local D2 squads that I would be willing to bet our coaches would take for some depth and spell the starters. Yes , we got a 6'8 and 6'9 recruit who are good players and will continue to improve, but didn't see anything last year that tells me they are going to come in and mix it up with some of the premiere rebounders in the league this year. Griffan Callahan at 6'4 might be our best rebounder and post defender.

[LakeJack]

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There are some bigs on area local D2 squads that I would be willing to bet our coaches would take for some depth and spell the starters. Yes , we got a 6'8 and 6'9 recruit who are good players and will continue to improve, but didn't see anything last year that tells me they are going to come in and mix it up with some of the premiere rebounders in the league this year. Griffan Callahan at 6'4 might be our best rebounder and post defender.

And you knew how good Nate was going to be year two, right?

[zooropa]

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So in the name of offense, we should continue to be soft inside on defense?

In a word: yes.

In two words: Heck yes.

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The Jacks can outrun and out shoot their opponents. Slowing that team down with a bargain basement widebody would be stupid.

You remember how much you (and everyone else) complained about AC slowing down the offense?

Well imagine a player who's even worse than AC doing the exact same thing.

[jacks1]

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In a word: yes.

In two words: Heck yes.

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The Jacks can outrun and out shoot their opponents. Slowing that team down with a bargain basement widebody would be stupid.

You remember how much you (and everyone else) complained about AC slowing down the offense?

Well imagine a player who's even worse than AC doing the exact same thing.

All I can do with this reply is put my face in my hands and shake my head...

[KUlawJack]

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In a word: yes.In two words: Heck yes.----The Jacks can outrun and out shoot their opponents. Slowing that team down with a bargain basement widebody would be stupid.You remember how much you (and everyone else) complained about AC slowing down the offense?Well imagine a player who's even worse than AC doing the exact same thing.

Disagree wholeheartedly. A big doesn't have to be slow or plodding to be effective on D and to be able to rebound. You just assume that a big will be some overweight, unathletic blob. Its an inaccurate assumption.

[JACKGUYII]

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And you knew how good Nate was going to be year two, right?

I saw this kid single handedly keep his team in a semi-final game against Hopkins who had five DI players. So no i'm not suprised he is tearing up the Summit and I doubt the coaches are either. I think his skill set is beyond the Summit.

[JACKGUYII]

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In a word: yes.

In two words: Heck yes.

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The Jacks can outrun and out shoot their opponents. Slowing that team down with a bargain basement widebody would be stupid.

You remember how much you (and everyone else) complained about AC slowing down the offense?

Well imagine a player who's even worse than AC doing the exact same thing.

Zoo, couldn't disagree more. We lack rebounding and a defensive presence by the hoop. AC had the skills when he wanted to use them he just didn't seem to have the desire the majority of the time.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Yea you guys are right, I mean come on we only landed one 6'8" and one 6'9" player in the 2010 class and only have one 6’9” kid verballed in the 2012 class.

Sure the two kids from 2010 were both nationally ranked and one had committed to Big XII Iowa State and yea he was a starter as a true freshmen and ok I hear they both have had terrific summers and put on muscle but come on we didn’t get a big in 2011. These guys coaching our team don’t know what they are doing the sky is falling. Really it is.

Sure as we have moved through the D-I transition our record keeps getting better but that doesn’t really matter because Nate only has two years left. We will never be good after he leaves. I mean we all knew how good Nate was after his 1^st season. Nobody on this board doubted his ability to play. I am actually going to get rid of my season tickets after the 2012-2013 season. I mean what's the point, right?

In case you can’t tell this is hard core sarcasm. If you think that Nate is the end all and be all that is cool. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think he is a heck of a player and I am so happy he is on our team but I am not ready to hit the panic button because we didn’t get a big in the 2011 class.

I have watched a lot of mid-major basketball and I know we can be successful with the TEAM we have now. Nate is a big part of that TEAM but he is not the only part. That is my point.

One last thing, who were the members of the genius coaching staff that landed Nate?

Love the sarcasm! I would make a motion that we call the years before Nate Wolters B.N., the years with Wolters the Golden Age, and the years after Wolters A.N..

Heck, I think we all agree a great big man would help us out. I'd guess the coaches are probably aware that we were a little soft in the middle last year. I'd also guess that they are going to do everything in there power to improve that whether we have a new "big man" or not. Let us not discount the fact that the players on our roster now will/should improve a lot heading into this year. Anybody remember the leap Nate, I'm sorry, the Golden One took from his freshman year to his sophomore campaign. That is what has elevated him to deity status and why we are having this thread. Offense is not going to be a problem and a big guy isn't going to clog up the offense as has been stated. How many times do you see the center out on the wing on a fast break? Pretty rare.

The fact is there aren't that getting the big man that will magically lift the program like everyone assumes isn't easy. There are a lot of teams looking for that stud including a lot of them in much more powerful conferences than ours. I'm glad the coaches are waiting for the right player/players to come on board. We don't need a 6' 10" joggin turnover that can't walk and chew bubble gum. The sad fact is that for us to land any thing other than a project at the position would be a real coup and may not be realistic.

It just bugs me when I hear people make insinuations that the coaching staff isn't doing enough to get "that guy". YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!! These are the same guys that landed, Sargent, Wolters, White, Fiegen, Heemstra, Jordan, and others. Have a little faith. I know we all want it bad but be patient.

Here ends the rant!

SUPERBUNNY

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Zoo, couldn't disagree more. We lack rebounding and a defensive presence by the hoop. AC had the skills when he wanted to use them he just didn't seem to have the desire the majority of the time.

Therefore he wasn't an asset to the team. If he played with the determination like he did two years ago it would have been different. He had the skills! If he doesn't want to be there or won't give 100% then they're better without him.

Frankly, I'd take Dykstra in the post over AC. He had a very good freshman year and really look forward to taking a big step up this year.

SUPERBUNNY

[goon]

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you assume a big will be able to run the floor and play a transtional game with a primary focus on 3 point shooters and the big will seamlessly fit.

Its a risk, adding a player who does not fit the mold of a team does not help it any. So the style the team plays in not conducive to a big post player.

My veiw is this team needs depth at the post players more then a brusier. rebounds is effort, not height.

[jackmd]

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I favor a mobile guy that can make a difference inside on defense and clearing the glass over a traditional post player that needs the offense to let him get set before making a move to score. I think we have that potential now and this latest verbal is a start to building some depth there.

[Kemo]

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Lots of gloom and doom talk for the season still being 4 months away...

I understand there are a lot of people upset about not adding a Big for the upcoming season, but keep in perspective the make up of the team and who we bring back.

First off, I would have loved to see a Big brought in to at least add depth, but unless he was a juco transfer, the likely hood of him being more than a fill-in player were slim. Kids coming from high school are rarely ready to bang with college posts right away, and if they are, they usually are going to a power-6 conference school. Coughil would have been a nice get for the Jacks, but he chose to backup Alec Brown in Green Bay, so the team needs to move on with what they have, which are some long, talented individuals.

SDSU didn't lose one scholarship post, and the three that played last year were two true freshman and a true sophomore. This tells me that the development of these three players will have much more of an impact on how the team performs in the upcoming season than anyone the Jacks had a realistic opportunity to add in the off-season, and their ceilings are a lot higher than I think most of you are giving them credit for.

Secondly, the Jacks run mostly a 4 out, 1 in offense, so while having 4 legitimate posts would have been nice, it's not a reason to panic. Keep in mind that two of the Jacks wings are 6'6" (White and Horstman), which will help reduce or eliminate the effectiveness of teams trying to go big against us, as there are few if any posts in the Summit League that can run with/ guard those two.

Third off, I feel a lot of fans misinterpret that our rebounding woes were due to lack of front line size, where I completely disagree with this. The main reason for the teams rebounding deficiency was that of poor defense, not lack of size, as if you are out of position for a rebound, height becomes inconsequential. The good news is that the team has the physical tools to fix this, they just need to be more mentally prepared to do this, and feel it will come with another year of maturity under their belt.

The bottom line is player development will effect this upcoming season more than any player we could have added this off-season, and the current roster has the talent to improve in the trouble areas, and they are more than aware of it. Giving up 105 points to Oakland in the semifinals may have been just want this team needed going into the off-season, as the players have no doubt what they need to work on to take the next step.