Ndsu-gdt-men

[RabbitObsessed]

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You know, at the risk of sounding like an excuse maker or whiner I didn't want to say this. I'm not accusing you of sounding like that either b/c I agree w/ you. But several times throughout the game I said "man, they are just getting every bounce". YES, they deserved the win and yes they fought hard, but man did they seem to get every bounce and we seemed to get the opposite. Oh well...

We were thinking the same thing at the game.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Sarg had 4 early and I thought he was feeling it. Then, as someone else said, he started forcing, missed 6 or 7 or 8 in a row and then he just kinda disappeared. Noone else really seemed to want to get going w/ their offense. White missed what would've been a big 3 late. Dykstra was in foul trouble and could never get going. You wonder if everyone sat back on their heels b/c nate was doing so much.

Like Nevada, they really extended their dee. That's why a guy like Nate, who can get to the rack, got so many points. We set alot of high screens but didn't roll very often. If teams are going to extend their dee like that we'd better have an answer, whether that be rolling after a screen or backdoor cuts or more motion.

Wright kind of stood at the top of the key on offense and then crashed the boards. That's how he got alot of his tip-ins/dunks. He's alot for Fiegen to handle. He's like a 3 or even a 2 at times. Real quick and can really jump (swatted someones three-point shot early in the game).

[JackJD]

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Tough game to watch and the loss tends to cause us to overlook what we witnessed with Nate Wolters. I think that's the most unstoppable basketball performance I've ever seen.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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You know, at the risk of sounding like an excuse maker or whiner I didn't want to say this. I'm not accusing you of sounding like that either b/c I agree w/ you. But several times throughout the game I said "man, they are just getting every bounce". YES, they deserved the win and yes they fought hard, but man did they seem to get every bounce and we seemed to get the opposite. Oh well...

I hope I didn't come across as a whiner. Wasn't my intent. We got whipped. Never seen so many balls served up perfectly for a guy to dunk home. He was there and gets the credit. They didn't do anything to get him out of there. Several of those tips came after really good defensive sets where the Bison had to take a really hard shot to beat the clock only to get bailed out by a great bounce and put back.

It just wasn't our night!

SUPERBUNNY

[MinnJack]

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Wolters was awesome. Wright was good. The rest of NDSU was better than the rest of SDSU. It was just a tough night.

Jacks will have to try to get them in late February, when hopefully more is on the line. I wouldn't be surprised at all if these two teams were to meet in Sioux Falls either.

[bub94]

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6-1 Quit your bitchin'. We lost ONE game! One! Not 4, not 7, not 8. 1. I suppose the short bandwagon is already over. Here, let me help throw some people off. I find it funny, had we rolled into Saturday at 0-6 and won it, people would probably say this team is the best thing since sliced bread.

I haven't given up on this team. But that was a hard game to watch with the lack of rebounding. NDSU had more hustle for the boards than the Jacks did. Saying that doesn't mean I'm giving up on the team. It just stood out to me and a lot of others as the main reason for the loss. I still think we have a team that is going to win a lot more games this year and they are going to cause a lot of match-up problems.

[67jack]

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My observation from Row 15, Section DD....I'll have to agree with bub94. We got schooled on the boards. A 20 rebound difference isn't going to cut it against most anyone we play.

[NebraskaJack]

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I wasn't at the game, so I'll make my analysis from afar and based on game statistics.

NDSU has 7 guys on their roster 6'6" or taller. They played 143 minutes and logged 42 rebounds. SDSU has 5 guys 6'6" or taller, only 3 played, they logged 69 minutes and 13 rebounds.

Our most consistent rebounder, according to some, is 6'4" Griffin Callahan, who according to one post, was playing on a bum wheel.

Our biggest guy, Jordan Dykstra at 6'8" only played 17 minutes.

Our most athletic player, Dale Moss, spent the whole night chasing a very active Michael Tveidt around the floor.

When you give up that kind of size differential to a team that is fairly active(not a bunch of big stiffs) you are in for a long night when it comes to rebounding. Boxing out and hustle can help negate some of the disadvantage, but when its compounded by a poor shooting night it can get ugly fast.....and it did.

Just one guys perspective.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Thing is, as bad as we played, we were in the game (margin was under 10 all night save for about 30 seconds) all night. We were shooting 24% late in the first half and down by just 6. To shoot that bad, have Dykstra in foul trouble, get killed that bad on the boards and be tied w/ 6 to go maybe means we're still a pretty good team. Take away a couple of their second chance baskets and count one of the many 3's we missed and it could very easily be a different outcome.

Again, I hope this loss fuels the fire a bit. Adds to the hunger. I wouldn't count the game in Fargo as a loss at all. I see alot of kids coming out wanting to prove something.

[Jacked_Up]

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The Jacks were only a couple of made shots and a few rebounds away. I hate the thought of TrayVonn Wright being around for three more years. He's a great jumper and has nice touch. But the Bison will have to worry about Wolters the next two years. I agree with NebJack about the height issue. The Jacks lack of a wide bodied, box-out/rebounding specialist was really evident against the Bison. That's a big hole to have to play around every game. ... Great crowd, by the way. Something like 5,500 people.

[JimmyJack]

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You have to admire the way NDSU plays. It's 100 mph all the time. There isn't any lollygagging. Their motion offense moves at full speed on every possession. Defensive players have to fight through multiple screens. They're tough to guard and play 40 minutes at 100 percent. I'll bet our defense broke down on about 75 percent of their buckets with guys just losing their guys because of the motion and screens.

Rebounding has to be a concern for SDSU. 26 offensive rebounds? Unbelievable. And most of those weren't long boards, they just went up and got them and, as often as not, put them back in the bucket. We won't beat them until we out-rebound them.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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You have to admire the way NDSU plays. It's 100 mph all the time. There isn't any lollygagging. Their motion offense moves at full speed on every possession. Defensive players have to fight through multiple screens. They're tough to guard and play 40 minutes at 100 percent. I'll bet our defense broke down on about 75 percent of their buckets with guys just losing their guys because of the motion and screens.

Rebounding has to be a concern for SDSU. 26 offensive rebounds? Unbelievable. And most of those weren't long boards, they just went up and got them and, as often as not, put them back in the bucket. We won't beat them until we out-rebound them.

Have to agree JimmyJack. I think that can be said for most games. Given the rebounding disadvantage and the percentages we shot from the field it was amazing we were in it until the last few minutes. We did draw a lot of fouls. That was a positive.

After having more of the weekend to think about it, I'm back to a more positive view this morning. THIS WAS OUR FIRST LOSS. Probably won't be the last. We have a young and talented team and there are just going to be some games like that. They will learn a lot from this and if they take it to heart we will see it soon.

Time to turn the page.

SUPERBUNNY

[goon]

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Thing is, as bad as we played, we were in the game (margin was under 10 all night save for about 30 seconds) all night. We were shooting 24% late in the first half and down by just 6. To shoot that bad, have Dykstra in foul trouble, get killed that bad on the boards and be tied w/ 6 to go maybe means we're still a pretty good team. Take away a couple of their second chance baskets and count one of the many 3's we missed and it could very easily be a different outcome.

Again, I hope this loss fuels the fire a bit. Adds to the hunger. I wouldn't count the game in Fargo as a loss at all. I see alot of kids coming out wanting to prove something.

Or it means that they were having a bad game in some areas where we had a bad game is most areas to be down on 6 but get murdered on the boards.

[Theee Catrabbit]

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Thing is, as bad as we played, we were in the game (margin was under 10 all night save for about 30 seconds) all night. We were shooting 24% late in the first half and down by just 6. To shoot that bad, have Dykstra in foul trouble, get killed that bad on the boards and be tied w/ 6 to go maybe means we're still a pretty good team. Take away a couple of their second chance baskets and count one of the many 3's we missed and it could very easily be a different outcome.

Again, I hope this loss fuels the fire a bit. Adds to the hunger. I wouldn't count the game in Fargo as a loss at all. I see alot of kids coming out wanting to prove something.

I don't know what it is, TJR, either I'm looking for a voice of reason or you just are being so reasonable. But lately I gotta give you credit on these posts.

[goon]

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I added up, the height of the teams players who played signifcant minutes, the least played for NDSU was 9 ,minutes and contributed so i counted him that played, we had Stephenson and Carlson play 5 minutes total so i did not include them because they had no signifcant stats or minutes.

Of the 7 players of ours who saw most the action. the avg height was 77.14 inches.
of the 9 players who played for NDSU the most, they avg height was 77.33 inches.

Sure if we count Stephenson and Carlson we would be shorter. but they hardely played so did not contribute signifcant minutes.

It is embaressing we get out rebounded from there 9 players compared to our players who avg .2 inches taller then we were.

they have a deeper team which maybe fresh legs could be a factor, but frankly, I think its mind set, they have decided that NDSU is better then us, at the same time NDSU knows they can beat us no matter what we try to do.

Sadly if we still have a body like Cordova, who could keep in the paint and get a body on the offensive boards, that would have helped a lot. we got pushed down, and no one pushed back exept for Nate on offense. I want to get over this loss, but its disapointing on so many levels.