UND @ SDSU Nov 20

[zooropa]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

I agree with the Southern Utah(I did forget about them). But I disagree wholeheartedly with the USD over UND if one were picked. UND has so much more going for it as far as money, T.V. capabilities, and prestige with it's D1 hockey than USD(or SDSU) could dream of. You would have to take UND over USD based on $$$$$$$$.
(but I like the discussion going on in here).

Doubt that the Valley would be interested in UND over USD based on TV or hockey.

Maybe UND can join the Alberta Colleges Athletic Conference

[tjbison]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

I agree with the Southern Utah(I did forget about them). But I disagree wholeheartedly with the USD over UND if one were picked. UND has so much more going for it as far as money, T.V. capabilities, and prestige with it's D1 hockey than USD(or SDSU) could dream of. You would have to take UND over USD based on $$$$$$$$.
(but I like the discussion going on in here).

Hockey has Zero to do with the MVFC, neither does BBAll at UND, USD, NDSU, SDSU for that matter. Like I said USD has a far better geography fit than UND or NDSU. Now Facility wise UND and USD are pretty even, the Alerus only hold 12.5K so thats wouldn't really mean anything. It would come down to travel and if pressed for 1 of the 2 UNI, SDSU, ISU-R MSU, SIU, WIU would take USD over UND for travel purpose. Its a easy Bus trip for a suffering UNI budget. We all know ISU-B, YSU don't want further west expansion and NDSU would be firebombed if it didn't vote for the admittance of UND

[JACKGUYII]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

I agree with the Southern Utah(I did forget about them). But I disagree wholeheartedly with the USD over UND if one were picked. UND has so much more going for it as far as money, T.V. capabilities, and prestige with it's D1 hockey than USD(or SDSU) could dream of. You would have to take UND over USD based on $$$$$$$$.
(but I like the discussion going on in here).

Believe it or not DI Hockey is a negative as it overshadows and places less emphasis on the other sports at UND. Why would the MVC care about a sport the nobody else in the conference even fields a team. USD is more attractive because of goegraphy and the emphasis it places on football.

[mizzou/sioux]

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I'm looking forward to the day when the UXDs and the XDSUs are all in the same athletic conference again. This is as it should be, although it might take some time before that can be accomplished. I would also like to see Nebraska-Omaha in as part of the package someday. I realize there are some who have spoken of the old NCC as a "watered-down" conference during D2 days. Hogwash. The old NCC was a very deserving, well respected conference around the nation with a proud athletic tradition. With that in mind, I'm very happy to see UND and SDSU renew their football rivalry come November 20th.

[zooropa]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

I'm looking forward to the day when the UXDs and the XDSUs are all in the same athletic conference again. This is as it should be, although it might take some time before that can be accomplished. I would also like to see Nebraska-Omaha in as part of the package someday. I realize there are some who have spoken of the old NCC as a "watered-down" conference during D2 days. Hogwash. The old NCC was a very deserving, well respected conference around the nation with a proud athletic tradition. With that in mind, I'm very happy to see UND and SDSU renew their football rivalry come November 20th.

UNO has zero fan support for anything besides hockey. They had 2500 or so at their homecoming game in football, less than a thousand at most basketball games, and maybe averaged 3-4k at their hockey games.

By contrast, SDSU (though this was a particularly good year for FB) averaged 13k for football, and about 3300 a piece for the basketball teams.

[Theee Catrabbit]

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Believe it or not DI Hockey is a negative as it overshadows and places less emphasis on the other sports at UND. Why would the MVC care about a sport the nobody else in the conference even fields a team. USD is more attractive because of goegraphy and the emphasis it places on football.

Wow didn't know this had become such a hot button in here.......

I mean i personally think hockey is irrelevant as well. But................
Point is that UND has better ability to leverage contracts with their T.V. and more $$$ than USD(by a lot). Last I heard it was all about the dollahs! They would enhance the MVC more than USD ever could with 1/10th of their facilities and cash. They also have more connections than any of the other schools in the Dakotas with D1 schools because of the D1 hockey schools they play consistently on a more national level. Just because they are two different sports in different leagues doesn't mean they don't get noticed. I bet we use our MVC connections to work on OOC games and scheduling in MBB and WBB all the time.

If we could bet on here I would put my money on UND before USD in the MVC. But everybody on here has valid reasoning and i wouldn't argue to the point of actually caring whether UND or USD got into the MVC. My actual viewpoint is they both can rot, but I was trying to be a little nice.

[Stromer]

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Why would the MVC care about a sport the nobody else in the conference even fields a team.

I think name recognition would count for something. As a Sioux fan, I will agree that we have a lousy bball team and that our fan support is less than desirable for sports other than hockey. However, the hockey team gives the university exposure that carries over to the other programs. I have yet to run into a fan base from a program that we have played (ex Texas Tech in football or Texas A&M in bball) that hasn't known that we are a hockey power. They may not have known we had other programs but at least they were aware of the university. That awareness is worth something. Its alot easier to sell to your fanbase games against a university they have heard of compared to one they haven't (even if the sport they know the university by doesn't play in the conference.)

BTW, I don't think UND should or would get in before USD. I just don't think hockey is the anchor some make it out to be. I think Duke football benefits from their basketball team. Same for the Valpo or Georgetown FB teams. Its alot easier to sell a game against either of those teams even if they aren't very good because they are known from basketball.

P.S. Looks like you have a decent board here. Always nice to play teams that have a nice fansite.

[rabidrabbit]

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I think name recognition would count for something. As a Sioux fan, I will agree that we have a lousy bball team and that our fan support is less than desirable for sports other than hockey. However, the hockey team gives the university exposure that carries over to the other programs. I have yet to run into a fan base from a program that we have played (ex Texas Tech in football or Texas A&M in bball) that hasn't known that we are a hockey power. They may not have known we had other programs but at least they were aware of the university. That awareness is worth something. Its alot easier to sell to your fanbase games against a university they have heard of compared to one they haven't (even if the sport they know the university by doesn't play in the conference.)

BTW, I don't think UND should or would get in before USD. I just don't think hockey is the anchor some make it out to be. I think Duke football benefits from their basketball team. Same for the Valpo or Georgetown FB teams. Its alot easier to sell a game against either of those teams even if they aren't very good because they are known from basketball.

P.S. Looks like you have a decent board here. Always nice to play teams that have a nice fansite.

Welcome Stromer! Not quite as active as Bisonville or SiouxSports, but we're Jack'ed up about the place. Always enjoy respectful posters to share how their school is doing, especially as how it relates to SDSU.

[zooropa]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

I think Duke football benefits from their basketball team. Same for the Valpo or Georgetown FB teams.

You do know that Georgetown went 0 for 2010 in football, right?

[LakeJack]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

Everyone, please don't let the UND fans turn this into a hockey thread.

[Nidaros]

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I think name recognition would count for something. As a Sioux fan, I will agree that we have a lousy bball team and that our fan support is less than desirable for sports other than hockey. However, the hockey team gives the university exposure that carries over to the other programs. I have yet to run into a fan base from a program that we have played (ex Texas Tech in football or Texas A&M in bball) that hasn't known that we are a hockey power. They may not have known we had other programs but at least they were aware of the university. That awareness is worth something. Its alot easier to sell to your fanbase games against a university they have heard of compared to one they haven't (even if the sport they know the university by doesn't play in the conference.)

BTW, I don't think UND should or would get in before USD. I just don't think hockey is the anchor some make it out to be. I think Duke football benefits from their basketball team. Same for the Valpo or Georgetown FB teams. Its alot easier to sell a game against either of those teams even if they aren't very good because they are known from basketball.

P.S. Looks like you have a decent board here. Always nice to play teams that have a nice fansite.

It seemed like in the old NCC days, UND had this one extra chip to play in that they had D1 hockey, and no one else in the NCC did until SCSU and MSU-Mankato and UNO recently added this expensive sport. This configuration, I believe prevented the NCC in moving up in massto D1. My hindsight tells me that the best thing happened because of this smattering of the NCC in 5 direction was a very good thing. It would have taken 16 years to get a D2 conference recognized as a D1 Counter for the D1 big dance. So wonders have worked their way through for SDSU and NDSU and USD, and UND seems to think their extra chip now counts something and it doesn't when it comes to getting into a conference.

Hockey is darn expensive and its was a budget buster for UNO, SCSU AND MSU-Mankato. Its not the kind of sport that most D1 members are looking to add. How many current D1 schools offer Hockey? Less than 100, or much less than 1/3 of the current D1 membership? So for UND to toot their horn about hockey only works in Grand Forks. I cant believe how parochial those people are in Grand Forks. And what about the logo?

[FargoBison]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

It seemed like in the old NCC days, UND had this one extra chip to play in that they had D1 hockey, and no one else in the NCC did until SCSU and MSU-Mankato and UNO recently added this expensive sport. This configuration, I believe prevented the NCC in moving up in massto D1. My hindsight tells me that the best thing happened because of this smattering of the NCC in 5 direction was a very good thing. It would have taken 16 years to get a D2 conference recognized as a D1 Counter for the D1 big dance. So wonders have worked their way through for SDSU and NDSU and USD, and UND seems to think their extra chip now counts something and it doesn't when it comes to getting into a conference.

Hockey is darn expensive and its was a budget buster for UNO, SCSU AND MSU-Mankato. Its not the kind of sport that most D1 members are looking to add. How many current D1 schools offer Hockey? Less than 100, or much less than 1/3 of the current D1 membership? So for UND to toot their horn about hockey only works in Grand Forks. I cant believe how parochial those people are in Grand Forks. And what about the logo?

35 DI schools have men's hockey. UND fans like to talk about it like it is a huge deal, but you would be surprised how often I get people asking me about NDSU's great hockey team.

[Stromer]

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You do know that Georgetown went 0 for 2010 in football, right?

Exactly. And yet I think it would be easier to sell a game against a winless GTown team then a decent east coast team that people haven't heard of. Right or wrong, there is a sizeable portion of fanbases that only look at the name on the schedule when deciding whether to attend the game.

[SturgisJeff]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

Mankato has had hockey a long time not just recently. They won the D2 National Championship when I went there in 1981.

[zooropa]

Re: UND @ SDSU Nov 20

Exactly. And yet I think it would be easier to sell a game against a winless GTown team then a decent east coast team that people haven't heard of. Right or wrong, there is a sizeable portion of fanbases that only look at the name on the schedule when deciding whether to attend the game.

And, of course, the number of brand name shoppers who will go to a Georgetown football game, based on their notoriety in basketball, needs to be discounted significantly to reflect the relative invisibility of college hockey.

Of the MVFC teams, only two outside NDSU are in states with a D-1 hockey program (Youngstown State & Indiana State), and those states' D-1 hockey program aren't in UND's conference (Miami, Ohio State & Notre Dame)--even assuming that there's a significant cross pollination between those fan bases and the Sycamore & Penguin fan bases.