Out of Conference Schedule

[jackmd]

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I think there should be a discussion about how good people think USD are? (Don't take this wrong JimmyJack- I like your posts and agree with you most of the time). "It would seem a winnable HOME game...". Is USD a guaranteed home win? They should be this year but how about when you have to go to USD 2 years down the road. I know you said winnable not guaranteed but that's my argument. If USD is your easy game and it's not a guaranteed win, where is the ONE EASY out of conference game? It isn't Delaware.
If USD would come to Coughlin and not want a home game, I think your point is valid. I just think USD won't come here twice without a game there.
I think in a couple years when USD is a middle to upper(known) FCS team, they could be the middle game and then you schedule a easy one at home. Until then, it just doesn't work.

Hold on a second kids. Lets not start assuming USD is going to be a middle to upper level FCS team. Their program is leaps and bounds better than it was when we were DII but I'm not ready to say that they are ready to compete on a weekly basis at the FCS level. I'm not saying they won't and in fact, I think they can but lets not start referring to their relative success in a depleted NCC and North region as an equivalent to success at the DI level.

My opinion, USD should be on the schedule when it makes the most sense for SDSU. That could be as soon as 2011 or it might not. I don't get to or have to decide that. As for OOC games, I like seeing great teams come to CAS. I like seeing SDSU get a chance to play great teams on the road. I don't want to see that change just because there is a feeling that the competition is too great and we can't be expected to win such tough games. Schedule the best and then beat them. A win against a bottom program doesn't necessarily gain you anything over a loss against a top 10 team. Granted, a victory over a top 10 team doesn't necessarily guarantee you anything either. Not sure I made any sense at all. I like the schedule our coaches and admin have put together thus far.

[Nidaros]

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USD basically has the entire MVC to choose and talk to. Our league, other than North Dakota, isn't close for you to play. That's why I made the comment that if you choose not to play USD until you are ready, you may find yourself that when you are ready, USD and UND will have other teams locked up to fill out the schedule. In this case, USD is spending the dollars to play conference games (California, Utah) and SDSU will spend the bucks to play non-conference. At least now, SDSU has the option of playing USD/UND and holding expenses down. The business side says that makes alot of sense.

If Coach Stig doesn't want to play the U, then don't. But then when budget cuts come in 3-5 years because of excessive travel costs, don't complain about them. Just donate more, and pony up.

Yes USD should go talk and then choose from the entire MVC. Except for the 2010 date, the SDSU schedules are filled. I am thinking that the rest of MVC might see USD as a winable game, and if its Missouri State or Indiana State I dont think it would be, but some of these teams were down last year but I would think USD could compete at this point and MVC wins would no doubt help build confidence. So that might be a better route than to beg for a game with SDSU.

The thing that got SDSU through the transition period was good financial forcasting and budgeting and I am sure this will continue under our new AD, Justin Sell. I would be surprised if SDSU is dealing with budget cuts in 3-5 years. If we are in that situation, I think some one will be asked to leave their position.

I suspect the budgeting at USD is probably at its best in history during this transition period. It has to be in order to maintain the confidence of the entire USD community.

[rabidrabbit]

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To be clear, I'm not against playing USD in the future, just not in 2010 with the two tough non-conference games we already have scheduled.

Looking ahead, there isn't much room for USD on these schedules either as we already have OOC games scheduled against Southeastern Louisiana and Delaware. So maybe 2013???

2011 S. Dakota St
Sept. 3 NDSU
Sept. 10 @ Illinois
Sept. 17 @ Delaware
Sept. 24 @ Illinois State
Oct. 1 Southeastern Louisiana
Oct. 8 @ Youngstown State
Oct. 15 UNI
Oct. 22 Southern Illinois
Oct. 29 Indiana State
Nov. 5 @ Missouri State
Nov. 12 @ Western Illinois

2012 S. Dakota St
Sept. 8 @ Southeastern Louisiana
Sept. 15 Delaware
Sept. 22 Missouri State
Sept. 29 @ UNI
Oct. 6 @ Indiana State
Oct. 13 Illinois State
Oct. 20 @ Southern Illinois
Oct. 27 @ NDSU
Nov. 3 Youngstown State
Nov. 10 Western Illinois

This is EXACTLY the type of schedule we want. SE LA is the middle of the pack game (winnable, likely, but could bite back) and then Delaware (in top 25 discussion, even coming off 4-8 year). 3 years down the road, we'll have a better feel for where USD is in the FCS ratings. I could see them fitting in as a top 25 challenge (if they're winning the Great West consistently and ending up with 8-3 records), but more likely to be the SE LA or SFA type opponent.

In the meantime, USD for 2010 as a 1 and done is possible, but.....

there are good merits to finding an "easier" opponent for a 1 and done.

[JimmyJack]

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That may be, but the series with Delaware is already a signed contract, the USD game is not.

Yes, I understand that. I was using Delaware as an example.

[jackrabbit1979]

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To be clear, I'm not against playing USD in the future, just not in 2010 with the two tough non-conference games we already have scheduled.

Looking ahead, there isn't much room for USD on these schedules either as we already have OOC games scheduled against Southeastern Louisiana and Delaware. So maybe 2013???

2011 S. Dakota St
Sept. 3 NDSU
Sept. 10 @ Illinois
Sept. 17 @ Delaware
Sept. 24 @ Illinois State
Oct. 1 Southeastern Louisiana
Oct. 8 @ Youngstown State
Oct. 15 UNI
Oct. 22 Southern Illinois
Oct. 29 Indiana State
Nov. 5 @ Missouri State
Nov. 12 @ Western Illinois

2012 S. Dakota St
Sept. 8 @ Southeastern Louisiana
Sept. 15 Delaware
Sept. 22 Missouri State
Sept. 29 @ UNI
Oct. 6 @ Indiana State
Oct. 13 Illinois State
Oct. 20 @ Southern Illinois
Oct. 27 @ NDSU
Nov. 3 Youngstown State
Nov. 10 Western Illinois

2011 schedule is done - we have 11 games. 2012 has ten games and is missing an FBS team that will be added. We either play USD in 2010 or not until 2013 at the earliest, unless we buy ourselves out of or get bought out of a some contracted games that are already scheduled.

[JimmyJack]

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I think there should be a discussion about how good people think USD are? (Don't take this wrong JimmyJack- I like your posts and agree with you most of the time). "It would seem a winnable HOME game...". Is USD a guaranteed home win? They should be this year but how about when you have to go to USD 2 years down the road. I know you said winnable not guaranteed but that's my argument. If USD is your easy game and it's not a guaranteed win, where is the ONE EASY out of conference game? It isn't Delaware.
If USD would come to Coughlin and not want a home game, I think your point is valid. I just think USD won't come here twice without a game there.
I think in a couple years when USD is a middle to upper(known) FCS team, they could be the middle game and then you schedule a easy one at home. Until then, it just doesn't work.

I get what you're saying. I'm assuming that USD will eventually get to the point where they're a pretty good FCS program. I don't see anything (other than their recent defensive units) that should keep them from becoming competitive.

I don't know. I just feel like we should get them on the schedule one of these years. Maybe it'll be 2014. Who knows. I do think our out-of-conference slate last year was too tough given our brutal conference schedule. And I've heard Stig say roughly the same thing.

If it's not USD, how about UND (once their mascot situation is resolved)?

[RabbitinTea]

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JJ,
I did play and the argument that a "rivalry" game is emotionally draining has some merit. Playing State or ND State back in the days required alot of preperation and I have to admit alot of energy. So those that pose that argument, I don't want to discount their argument.

That being said, playing Deleware, or Georgia Southern is also taxing. Those are quality programs that your team certainly needs to be prepared for. My guess is both of those teams are better than USD right now, but that won't always be the case. And as I said yesterday, I no longer care if we play you or not, but I do expect our AD to make every attempt to play regional FCS teams as opposed to flying all over the country. That is the simple economics portion of it. USD may have an easier time playing "regional FCS" teams than SDSU simply because you are in a conference dominated by regional teams, where we are not. If SDSU wants to take the position of not playing USD, that's fine, but my guess is that they will have to hit the road to get the games thery want. I am sure a home and home with Deleware, Georgia Southern, App. State, or anybody is doable. Just the economics of it don't make alot of sense.

USD basically has the entire MVC to choose and talk to. Our league, other than North Dakota, isn't close for you to play. That's why I made the comment that if you choose not to play USD until you are ready, you may find yourself that when you are ready, USD and UND will have other teams locked up to fill out the schedule. In this case, USD is spending the dollars to play conference games (California, Utah) and SDSU will spend the bucks to play non-conference. At least now, SDSU has the option of playing USD/UND and holding expenses down. The business side says that makes alot of sense.

If Coach Stig doesn't want to play the U, then don't. But then when budget cuts come in 3-5 years because of excessive travel costs, don't complain about them. Just donate more, and pony up.

Not trying to start smack, but making the assumption that at some point you'll be better than Georgia Southern and Delaware is a lofty statement. Those programs are about as good as it gets.

[yoteforever]

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Not trying to start smack, but making the assumption that at some point you'll be better than Georgia Southern and Delaware is a lofty statement. Those programs are about as good as it gets.

And you don't believe you will be better than either of those schools ever?

I would think the Jacks will be better than both of those schools, why not?

[yoteforever]

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Not trying to start smack, but making the assumption that at some point you'll be better than Georgia Southern and Delaware is a lofty statement. Those programs are about as good as it gets.

Decided to google Deleware and they were 4-8 last year. Yeah, I think the Jacks and 'Yotes can beat them.

[mango4]

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Decided to google Deleware and they were 4-8 last year. Yeah, I think the Jacks and 'Yotes can beat them.

Delaware had a down year last year, but they have more tradition than the Yotes, or the Jacks for that matter, can think of.

[2002jack]

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Decided to google Deleware and they were 4-8 last year. Yeah, I think the Jacks and 'Yotes can beat them.

Perhaps it is because you googled "Deleware" instead of "Delaware". They have accomplished a lot more (when it comes to football) than either of our Universities.

http://www.bluehens.com/sportsinfo/f...l/records.html

[yoteforever]

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Perhaps it is because you googled "Deleware" instead of "Delaware". They have accomplished a lot more (when it comes to football) than either of our Universities.

http://www.bluehens.com/sportsinfo/f...l/records.html

I won't argue that fact. But the fact still remains, are you playing the current team, or are you playing the tradition?

Quite frankly, NDSU has more tradition than either of our schools, and have accomplished far more. But you beat their "arse" the past 2 years. Yesterday is exactly that...yesterday.

Tradition is something to be proud of if you are part of it, and something to destroy if you are on the other side of it.

I was just making the point that Delaware (correct spelling this time) is beatable right now. Their record indicates it.

Look at Michigan. Very few schools in NCAA history have more tradtion, but right now, FCS teams are popping them. Everyone wants a piece of them. That was my only point. And I included SDSU as well.

[LakeJack]

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Decided to google Deleware and they were 4-8 last year. Yeah, I think the Jacks and 'Yotes can beat them.

They played in the National Championship game in 2007 and with a 4 - 8 record in 2008 they still had more FCS wins then your Yotes had. Why on earth would you think that the Yotes could beat them? Because you beat Southern Utah?

[yoteforever]

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They played in the National Championship game in 2007 and with a 4 - 8 record in 2008 they still had more FCS wins then your Yotes had. Why on earth would you think that the Yotes could beat them? Because you beat Southern Utah?

LakeJack, if I said BLACK, you'd say WHITE. Look at my previous posts. I posted on 7/31/09 and said it would be my guess that Delaware is better than USD.

On the other hand, if we had to play Delaware, or if you played them this year, my guess is they are beatable. By both USD and SDSU. I didn't say we would win, I said they are beatable. Tradition my scare you to death, but in today's world, athletes live to beat "tradition rich" teams. If you don't think SDSU can beat them, then you shouldn't schedule them.

From what I read lately on here by alot of your posters, you only want cupcakes anyway. That's the real reason USD isn't on your schedule, nor will they be soon. I am ok with that. But the facts speak for themselves.

[filbert]

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Not a smack thread.

Not a USD scheduling thread (except as USD relates to future SDSU schedules).