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  • #1

    FCS Polls

    Here's the Coaches Poll with FCS games through September 1. Jacks and NDSU still #1 and #2. Montana and Montana State exchange places after Montana had a struggle against Missouri State (which is getting some votes but is unranked). USD won but dropped one place. Incarnate Word, this weekend's home-opener opponent, moved up from 15 to 11.

    https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/footba...s-coaches-poll
    1 South Dakota St. (17) 0-1 630 1
    2 North Dakota St. (5) 0-1 624 2
    3 Montana St. (4) 2-0 589 4
    4 Montana 1-0 572 3
    5 Villanova 1-0 527 6
    6 South Dakota 1-0 493 5
    7 Idaho 0-1 489 7
    8 Sacramento St. 0-1 397 10
    9 Central Arkansas 0-1 359 13
    10 Chattanooga 0-1 342 8
    11 UIW 1-0 340 15
    12 Southern Illinois 0-1 331 11
    13 UAlbany 1-0 302 14
    14 William & Mary 1-0 300 16
    15 Richmond 0-1 289 12
    16 Furman 0-1 270 9
    17 Western Carolina 0-1 221 19
    18 UC Davis 0-1 197 17
    19 Lafayette 0-1 156 18
    20 North Dakota 0-1 152 22
    21 Tarleton St. 1-1 109 21
    22 Illinois St. 0-1 95 20
    23 Youngstown St. 0-1 88 23
    24 Florida A&M 2-0 82 25
    25 Nicholls 0-1 74 24
    Others Receiving Votes: Northern Iowa, 55; ACU, 43; Mercer, 41; Eastern Washington, 40; North Carolina Central, 33; Eastern Illinois, 30; Rhode Island, 26; Southeast Missouri St., 20; Weber St., 17; Delaware St., 14; Harvard, 14; Missouri St., 14; Princeton, 14; Elon, 13; McNeese, 13; Stephen F. Austin, 12; UT Martin, 11; Wagner, 10; Northern Arizona, 5; Wofford, 5; Indiana St., 3; Yale, 3; Tennessee St., 2; Alabama A&M, 1; Murray St., 1; North Carolina A&T, 1; Samford, 1.
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    Don't know the scoring system, but it seems that there should be more than a 6 point spread between 1 and 2 when the Jacks have 17 of 22 first place votes. Polls don't mean a lot after the first game anyway when some teams play ranked FBS teams while others play D-2 teams.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by bigticket1 View Post
      Don't know the scoring system, but it seems that there should be more than a 6 point spread between 1 and 2 when the Jacks have 17 of 22 first place votes. Polls don't mean a lot after the first game anyway when some teams play ranked FBS teams while others play D-2 teams.
      It would depend on the dispersion of the coaches' votes. Here are additional details from the AFCA site.

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      • #4
        Stats Perform Top 25 FCS Poll as of September 8, 2024 (from NCAA.com website):

        Comment: Last week, Incarnate Word was ranked 11 in one poll and 12 in a second poll. This week,...in this poll they dropped just one place to 12. That seems to be a subtle "compliment" to SDSU.

        (Current Rank; School; Votes; Records; Points and rank from prior week)
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        1 South Dakota State (44) 1-1 1386 1
        2 North Dakota State (6) 1-1 1333 2
        3 Montana State (6) 3-0 1301 3
        4 Idaho 1-1 1195 7
        5 Villanova 2-0 1175 5
        6 South Dakota 1-1 1127 6
        7 Central Arkansas 1-1 945 9
        8 Montana 1-1 927 4
        9 Southern Illinois 1-1 919 10
        10 North Dakota 1-1 853 23
        11 Sacramento State 0-2 834 8
        12 UIW 1-1 646 12
        13 William & Mary 1-1 632 13
        14 Chattanooga 0-2 610 11
        15 UC Davis 1-1 578 18
        16 Tarleton State 2-1 452 20
        17 UAlbany 1-1 430 16
        18 Illinois State 1-1 374 21
        19 Lafayette 1-1 347 19
        20 Weber State 1-1 333 24
        21 Youngstown State 1-1 252 25
        22 Elon 1-1 216 NR
        23 Mercer 2-0 207 NR
        24 Nicholls 0-2 200 22
        25 Abilene Christian 1-1 122 NR
        Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Southeast Missouri (2-1, 1-0 Big South-OVC) 111; Richmond (0-2, 0-0 CAA) 100; Wofford (2-0, 0-0 SoCon) 85; Northern Iowa (2-0, 0-0 MVFC) 70; Florida A&M (2-1, 0-0 SWAC) 69; Western Carolina (0-2, 0-0 SoCon) 67; Eastern Illinois (1-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 64; Furman (0-2, 0-0 SoCon) 52; Campbell (1-1, 0-0 CAA) 49; Southern Utah (1-1, 0-0 UAC) 48; Lamar (1-1, 0-0 Southland) 15; Alabama State (1-1, 0-0 SWAC) 13; North Carolina Central (1-1, 0-0 MEAC) 12; Saint Francis (1-1, 0-0 NEC) 11; Austin Peay (0-2, 0-0 UAC) 8; Charleston Southern (1-1, 0-0 Big South-OVC) 7; Harvard (0-0, 0-0 Ivy) 5; Drake (1-0, 0-0 Pioneer) 4
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        • #5
          Here's the FCS Coaches Poll after this past weekend's games (Sept 8):

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          1 South Dakota State (22) 1-1 645 1
          2 North Dakota State (2) 1-1 620 2
          3 Montana State (2) 3-0 599 3
          4 Villanova 2-0 553 5
          5 Idaho 1-1 545 7
          6 South Dakota 1-1 515 6
          7 Central Arkansas 1-1 433 9
          8 Southern Illinois 1-1 426 12
          9 Montana 1-1 405 4
          10 North Dakota 1-1 362 20
          11 Sacramento State 0-2 304 8
          12 UC Davis 1-1 283 18
          13 William & Mary 1-1 281 14
          14 UIW 1-1 277 11
          15 UAlbany 1-1 266 13
          16 Chattanooga 0-2 265 10
          17 Tarleton State 2-1 231 21
          18 Lafayette 1-1 218 19
          19 Illinois State 1-1 202 22
          20 Youngstown State 1-1 183 23
          21 Northern Iowa 2-0 86 NR
          22 Florida A&M 2-1 70 24
          23 Nicholls 0-2 65 25
          24 Mercer 2-0 64 NR
          25 Weber State 1-1 63 NR
          Others Receiving Votes: Southeast Missouri State, 61; Furman, 51; Richmond, 49; Wofford, 46; Abilene Christian, 38; Elon, 37; Southern Utah, 31; Eastern Illinois, 28; Western Carolina, 27; North Carolina Central, 16; Northern Arizona, 14; Delaware State, 13; New Hampshire, 13; Harvard, 11; UT Martin, 10; Missouri State, 8; Yale, 8; Saint Francis (Pa.), 6; Drake, 5; Alabama A&M, 4; Alabama State, 2; Georgetown (D.C.), 2; McNeese, 2; Rhode Island, 2; Campbell, 1; Indiana State, 1; Lamar, 1; Prairie View A&M, 1; Stephen F. Austin, 1.
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          • #6
            Jeff Sagarin's computer analysis....Link to Sagarin's Ratings: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

            Here are the top seven Sagarin-ranked FCS teams through September 7:

            59. SDSU
            66. NDSU
            95. Montana
            100. Montana State
            104. South Dakota
            109. Central Arkansas
            111. North Dakota

            What teams are ranked 60 through 65 (between SDSU and NDSU)? They are:

            60 Colorado
            61 Mississippi State
            62 NC State
            63 Purdue
            64 UCLA
            65 Pittsburgh
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            • #7
              Sagarin says...after 9/14 games:

              We moved up one place in the Sagarin ratings after the 9/14/24 games. Remember Sagarin is not an opinion poll but is a computer ranking system based on a number of factors you can study here:
              http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

              The top FCS teams according to Sagarin's computer at this point (last week in parenthesis). I've added three to the list so that we have the top 10 FCS teams in the rating system.

              ​​​​​​58. SDSU (59)
              72. NDSU (66)
              85 Montana (95)
              100. Montana State (100)
              102 Central Arkansas (109)
              105. South Dakota (104)
              107. North Dakota (111)
              109 Idaho
              118 Southern Illinois
              123 Sacramento State

              Polls should be out tomorrow: The two FCS rankings featured on NCAA.com, the AFCA Coaches Poll and the Stats Perform Top 25 Poll should be announced tomorrow and we'll see if the Jacks retain their #1 ranking after winning against D2 Augie. The NCAA's Stan Becton likes to post his ballot on the NCAA site. He didn't have the Jacks #1 on his ballot a week ago and today (9/15) has dropped the Jacks to #3 behind his first-place nominee, Montana State (is 3-0 bur didn't play 9/14) and his second-place nominee, Idago (win over FBS Wyoming). Becton voted for NDSU at #4.
              Last edited by JackJD; 09-15-2024, 11:55 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by JackJD View Post
                Sagarin says...after 9/14 games:

                We moved up one place in the Sagarin ratings after the 9/14/24 games. Remember Sagarin is not an opinion poll but is a computer ranking system based on a number of factors you can study here:
                http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

                The top FCS teams according to Sagarin's computer at this point (last week in parenthesis). I've added three to the list so that we have the top 10 FCS teams in the rating system.

                ​​​​​​58. SDSU (59)
                72. NDSU (66)
                85 Montana (95)
                100. Montana State (100)
                102 Central Arkansas (109)
                105. South Dakota (104)
                107. North Dakota (111)
                109 Idaho
                118 Southern Illinois
                123 Sacramento State

                Polls should be out tomorrow: The two FCS rankings featured on NCAA.com, the AFCA Coaches Poll and the Stats Perform Top 25 Poll should be announced tomorrow and we'll see if the Jacks retain their #1 ranking after winning against D2 Augie. The NCAA's Stan Becton likes to post his ballot on the NCAA site. He didn't have the Jacks #1 on his ballot a week ago and today (9/15) has dropped the Jacks to #3 behind his first-place nominee, Montana State (is 3-0 bur didn't play 9/14) and his second-place nominee, Idago (win over FBS Wyoming). Becton voted for NDSU at #4.
                I guess I could see the argument for ranking Idaho #1, not that I'd agree with it, but I can't see ranking the Bobcats first.

                Their wins are against opponents who are either winless or one-win teams (the latter being Maine whose win was by a FG against Colgate). The Bobcats' next opponent is Mercyhurst, another one-win team whose victory was against DII Wheeling. Sure, Mercyhurst is newly FCS, but I'd be curious how poll voters would view Mercyhurst versus Augustana.

                Becton is essentially punishing the Jacks for a loss to the #14 FBS program in the country, whose next two opponents are the conference foes just above them in the rankings (the Utes and K-State).

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                • #9
                  Here's the FCS Coaches Poll which incldues games through 9/15/24...Jacks remain #1. The far-right column is last week's ranking.
                  Taken from NCAA.com
                  1 South Dakota State (22) 2-1 644 1
                  2 North Dakota State (1) 2-1 605 2
                  3 Montana State (3) 3-0 602 3
                  4 Idaho 2-1 573 5
                  5 Villanova 3-0 515 4
                  6 South Dakota 1-1 514 6
                  7 Southern Illinois 2-1 470 8
                  8 Central Arkansas 2-1 462 7
                  9 North Dakota 2-1 439 10
                  10 Montana 2-1 436 9
                  11 Sacramento State 1-2 379 11
                  12 UC Davis 2-1 349 12
                  13 William & Mary 2-1 334 13
                  14 Lafayette 2-1 263 18
                  15 Illinois State 2-1 258 19
                  16 Mercer 3-0 236 24
                  17 Tarleton State 2-1 235 17
                  18 UIW 1-2 158 14
                  19 Northern Iowa 2-1 114 21
                  20 Florida A&M 2-1 107 22
                  21 Southeast Missouri State 2-1 97 NR
                  22 UAlbany 1-2 94 15
                  23 Abilene Christian 2-1 72 NR
                  24 Chattanooga 0-3 59 16
                  25 Youngstown State 1-2 41 20
                  Others Receiving Votes: Richmond, 37; New Hampshire, 33; Northern Arizona, 33; Furman, 28; Weber St., 23; Lamar, 22; Wofford, 22; Western Carolina, 20; McNeese, 18; Rhode Island, 18; Delaware St., 13; Elon, 13; Nicholls, 12; Eastern Illinois, 11; Eastern Kentucky, 9; Jackson St., 9; Alabama A&M, 7; Central Connecticut St., 7; The Citadel, 7; Yale, 7; Duquesne, 6; Lehigh, 6; Monmouth (N.J.), 6; Wagner, 6; Drake, 3; Indiana St., 3; North Carolina Central, 3; Southern Utah, 3; UT Martin, 3; Butler, 2; Tennessee St., 2; Murray St., 1; Stony Brook, 1.


                  Here's the Stats Perform Top 25 Poll based on games through 9/15/24, also taken from NCAA.com. Jacks retain #1 position.
                  1 South Dakota State (41) 2-1 1380 1
                  2 North Dakota State (5) 2-1 1311 2
                  3 Montana State (7) 3-0 1296 3
                  4 Idaho (3) 2-1 1255 4
                  5 Villanova 3-0 1131 5
                  6 South Dakota 1-1 1108 6
                  7 Southern Illinois 2-1 986 9
                  8 Central Arkansas 2-1 983 7
                  9 Montana 2-1 961 8
                  10 North Dakota 2-1 911 10
                  11 Sacramento State 1-2 881 11
                  12 William & Mary 2-1 738 13
                  13 UC Davis 2-1 653 15
                  14 Mercer 23 575 23
                  15 UIW 12 565 12
                  16 Tarleton State 16 539 16
                  17 Illinois State 18 518 18
                  18 Lafayette 19 444 19
                  19 Abilene Christian 25 283 25
                  20 UAlbany 1-2 255 17
                  21 Southeast Missouri 2-1 218 NR
                  22 Lamar 1-2 184 NR
                  23 Chattanooga 0-3 133 14
                  24 Western Carolina 1-2 125 NR
                  25 Northern Iowa 2-1 103 NR
                  Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Florida A&M (2-1, 0-0 SWAC) 82; Wofford (2-1, 0-0 SoCon) 82; Richmond (1-2, 0-0 CAA) 80; Eastern Illinois (1-2, 0-1 Big South-OVC) 53; Rhode Island (2-1, 1-0 CAA) 52; Weber State (1-2, 1-0 Big Sky) 49; Youngstown State (1-2, 0-0 MVFC) 39; Elon (1-2, 0-0 CAA) 34; Furman (1-2, 0-0 SoCon) 30; Southern Utah (1-2, 0-0 UAC) 22; Northern Arizona (2-1, 0-0 Big Sky) 20; Nicholls (0-3, 0-0 Southland) 17; North Carolina Central (1-2, 0-0 MEAC) 15; Duquesne (1-2, 0-0 NEC) 13; Campbell (1-2, 0-1 CAA) 11; ETSU (1-2, 0-0 SoCon) 11; Harvard (0-0, 0-0 Ivy) 8; Drake (1-0, 0-0 Pioneer) 7; New Hampshire (2-1, 0-0 CAA) 5; McNeese (2-2, 1-0 Southland) 3; Towson (1-2, 0-1 CAA) 2

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JackJD View Post
                    Here's the FCS Coaches Poll which incldues games through 9/15/24...Jacks remain #1. The far-right column is last week's ranking.
                    Taken from NCAA.com
                    1 South Dakota State (22) 2-1 644 1
                    2 North Dakota State (1) 2-1 605 2
                    3 Montana State (3) 3-0 602 3
                    4 Idaho 2-1 573 5
                    5 Villanova 3-0 515 4
                    6 South Dakota 1-1 514 6
                    7 Southern Illinois 2-1 470 8
                    8 Central Arkansas 2-1 462 7
                    9 North Dakota 2-1 439 10
                    10 Montana 2-1 436 9
                    11 Sacramento State 1-2 379 11
                    12 UC Davis 2-1 349 12
                    13 William & Mary 2-1 334 13
                    14 Lafayette 2-1 263 18
                    15 Illinois State 2-1 258 19
                    16 Mercer 3-0 236 24
                    17 Tarleton State 2-1 235 17
                    18 UIW 1-2 158 14
                    19 Northern Iowa 2-1 114 21
                    20 Florida A&M 2-1 107 22
                    21 Southeast Missouri State 2-1 97 NR
                    22 UAlbany 1-2 94 15
                    23 Abilene Christian 2-1 72 NR
                    24 Chattanooga 0-3 59 16
                    25 Youngstown State 1-2 41 20
                    Others Receiving Votes: Richmond, 37; New Hampshire, 33; Northern Arizona, 33; Furman, 28; Weber St., 23; Lamar, 22; Wofford, 22; Western Carolina, 20; McNeese, 18; Rhode Island, 18; Delaware St., 13; Elon, 13; Nicholls, 12; Eastern Illinois, 11; Eastern Kentucky, 9; Jackson St., 9; Alabama A&M, 7; Central Connecticut St., 7; The Citadel, 7; Yale, 7; Duquesne, 6; Lehigh, 6; Monmouth (N.J.), 6; Wagner, 6; Drake, 3; Indiana St., 3; North Carolina Central, 3; Southern Utah, 3; UT Martin, 3; Butler, 2; Tennessee St., 2; Murray St., 1; Stony Brook, 1.


                    Here's the Stats Perform Top 25 Poll based on games through 9/15/24, also taken from NCAA.com. Jacks retain #1 position.
                    1 South Dakota State (41) 2-1 1380 1
                    2 North Dakota State (5) 2-1 1311 2
                    3 Montana State (7) 3-0 1296 3
                    4 Idaho (3) 2-1 1255 4
                    5 Villanova 3-0 1131 5
                    6 South Dakota 1-1 1108 6
                    7 Southern Illinois 2-1 986 9
                    8 Central Arkansas 2-1 983 7
                    9 Montana 2-1 961 8
                    10 North Dakota 2-1 911 10
                    11 Sacramento State 1-2 881 11
                    12 William & Mary 2-1 738 13
                    13 UC Davis 2-1 653 15
                    14 Mercer 23 575 23
                    15 UIW 12 565 12
                    16 Tarleton State 16 539 16
                    17 Illinois State 18 518 18
                    18 Lafayette 19 444 19
                    19 Abilene Christian 25 283 25
                    20 UAlbany 1-2 255 17
                    21 Southeast Missouri 2-1 218 NR
                    22 Lamar 1-2 184 NR
                    23 Chattanooga 0-3 133 14
                    24 Western Carolina 1-2 125 NR
                    25 Northern Iowa 2-1 103 NR
                    Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Florida A&M (2-1, 0-0 SWAC) 82; Wofford (2-1, 0-0 SoCon) 82; Richmond (1-2, 0-0 CAA) 80; Eastern Illinois (1-2, 0-1 Big South-OVC) 53; Rhode Island (2-1, 1-0 CAA) 52; Weber State (1-2, 1-0 Big Sky) 49; Youngstown State (1-2, 0-0 MVFC) 39; Elon (1-2, 0-0 CAA) 34; Furman (1-2, 0-0 SoCon) 30; Southern Utah (1-2, 0-0 UAC) 22; Northern Arizona (2-1, 0-0 Big Sky) 20; Nicholls (0-3, 0-0 Southland) 17; North Carolina Central (1-2, 0-0 MEAC) 15; Duquesne (1-2, 0-0 NEC) 13; Campbell (1-2, 0-1 CAA) 11; ETSU (1-2, 0-0 SoCon) 11; Harvard (0-0, 0-0 Ivy) 8; Drake (1-0, 0-0 Pioneer) 7; New Hampshire (2-1, 0-0 CAA) 5; McNeese (2-2, 1-0 Southland) 3; Towson (1-2, 0-1 CAA) 2
                    Interesting that Jacks didn't lose any first place votes, but NDSU lost one (and the Bobcats gained one).

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post

                      Interesting that Jacks didn't lose any first place votes, but NDSU lost one (and the Bobcats gained one).
                      Thanks for this. I'm surprised the Jacks are still #1 in each poll. I assume that there haven't been a lot of eyes on the actual product that any particular team is putting out. We don't pass the eye test at this point.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jbjack View Post

                        Thanks for this. I'm surprised the Jacks are still #1 in each poll. I assume that there haven't been a lot of eyes on the actual product that any particular team is putting out. We don't pass the eye test at this point.
                        Just curious, which top 5 or top 10 teams have passed their optometrist exams?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post

                          Just curious, which top 5 or top 10 teams have passed their optometrist exams?
                          Good question this early in the season. Villanova is 3-0 on the season and ranked #5 in each poll but sits at 125 in the Sagarin computer analysis. Chattanooga, with an 0-3 record, is ranked 23/24 in the polls and 149 in Sagarin's computer hard drive. Sagarin's ratings make better sense with each passing week. The early polls seem to be heavily influenced by last year's performance. All good fun to see who is talking about your favorite team.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post

                            Just curious, which top 5 or top 10 teams have passed their optometrist exams?
                            Right now about the only 2 teams that have are Montana St. and Idaho.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SteelSD View Post

                              Right now about the only 2 teams that have are Montana St. and Idaho.
                              They look that way at first glance, but the computer rankings have them 42 and 51 spots back of the Jacks. They both have FBS wins against bad teams, which doesn't help them with the computer.

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