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Nine of the top ten in Sagarin's rankings from the MVFC or Big Sky. Seems about right.
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What is the highest an FCS team has gotten to in the Sagarin Rankings? 34 has got to be up there....Comment
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I think NDSU has been higher at least once and maybe several times since the move to D1. I’m pretty sure NDSU was ranked in top 25 of all D1 in an end of season ranking (like an AP poll).Originally posted by mnjackrbt View PostComment
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From a casual FCS fan perspective of not much more than score watching across the country each week, and watching SDSU games and opponents. I'd say there are two top teams in the country, SDSU and Montana State, then a little bit of a gap between them and the rest of the FCS. Another grouping that are all comparable - mostly the teams ranked in the 3-12ish range, then a little gap and another grouping of the remaining top 25. That said, winning a national championship is so difficult that if I was a betting man, I'd let someone take SDSU or MSU (or maybe even both), if I get to take the rest of the field.Comment
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The two polls linked on NCAA.com -- the FCS Coaches Poll and the Stats Perform FCS Top 25 for games through October 22, 2023, are out and here they are, starting with the FCS Coaches Poll:
First number is today's rank, followed by the school (number of first-place votes received), season record, poling points, and prior week's rank.
Others Receiving Votes: Northern Iowa, 65; Villanova, 51; Fordham, 44; Youngstown State, 41; Penn, 25; UAlbany, 4; Mercer, 3; Eastern Illinois, 1; Illinois St., 1; Nicholls, 1.1 South Dakota State (26) 7-0 650 1 2 Montana State 6-1 623 2 3 Furman 6-1 587 3 4 UIW 6-1 545 5 5 Montana 6-1 537 6 6 Delaware 6-1 510 7 7 Sacramento State 5-2 475 4 8 Idaho 5-2 471 8 9 South Dakota 6-1 423 16 10 North Carolina Central 6-1 418 10 11 North Dakota State 5-2 388 15 12 Southern Illinois 5-2 343 12 13 UT Martin 6-1 314 19 14 Florida A&M 6-1 304 18 15 Chattanooga 6-2 266 20 16 Western Carolina 5-2 253 14 17 North Dakota 4-3 198 9 18 Central Arkansas 5-2 197 21 19 Lafayette 6-1 120 NR T-20 Austin Peay 5-2 116 24 T-20 New Hampshire 4-3 116 22 22 Holy Cross 4-3 108 11 23 Harvard 5-1 87 17 24 William & Mary 4-3 83 13 25 UC Davis 4-3 82 23
Here's the Stats Perform FCS Top 25:
Others Receiving Votes (schools listed on two or more ballots): Holy Cross 146; Harvard 113; UAlbany 112; New Hampshire 74; Fordham 51; Tennessee State 18; Eastern Washington 7; Penn 7; Weber State 6; Lamar 41 South Dakota State (56) 7-0 1,400 1 2 Montana State 6-1 1,342 2 3 Furman 6-1 1,266 4 4 South Dakota 6-1 1,133 6 5 Delaware 6-1 1,079 7 6 Sacramento State 5-2 1,074 3 7 Montana 6-1 1,056 9 8 UIW 6-1 1,038 5 9 Idaho 5-2 1,005 10 10 Western Carolina 5-2 829 8 11 Southern Illinois 5-2 768 12 12 North Dakota State 5-2 750 14 13 North Carolina Central 6-1 703 16 14 UT Martin 6-1 677 17 15 North Dakota 4-3 596 11 16 Florida A&M 6-1 497 19 17 Chattanooga 6-2 462 21 18 Central Arkansas 5-2 461 20 19 Villanova 5-2 319 22 20 Austin Peay 5-2 227 24 21 Lafayette 6-1 218 13 22 William & Mary 4-3 213 NR 23 Northern Iowa 4-3 196 NR 24 Youngstown State 4-3 181 25 25 UC Davis 4-3 164 23
Some voters in the Coaches poll don't like the Yotes (kidding although I think the Stats Perform ranking makes more sense). This weekend's game in Vermillion may confirm or dispute the rankings.Comment
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I'm glad I don't have to try and rationalize a top 25 vote.Originally posted by JackJD View Post
SIU moves up in the Stats poll after losing to SDSU. That's respect.
I'm a little surprise that, notwithstanding our victory over MtSU, one or two first place votes haven't slid their way, especially after a week where we looked less than crisp and MtSU beat #3.Comment
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Short article on Hero Sports site stating the FCS Playoff Committee will announce its top 10 ranked teams later this week.
https://herosports.com/fcs-playoff-c...-ranking-bzbz/Comment
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Jeff Sagarin’s top 25 ranked FCS teams through October 21, 2023 results.
Note the dominance of the Missouri Valley Football Conference and the Big Sky Conference. The top eight teams come from either the MVFC (6 teams) or the Big Sky (3 teams). Total teams in the top 25: MVFC 8, Big Sky 6.
Link to Sagarin’s site: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
The first number is rank relative to other FCS programs. The second number is the overall D1 rank (there are 261 D1 teams).
1 43 South Dakota State MVFC
2 70 Montana State BIG SKY
3 82 North Dakota State MVFC
4 100 Idaho BIG SKY
5 105 Southern Illinois MVFC
6 113 North Dakota MVFC
7 116 Northern Iowa MVFC
8 118 Youngstown State MVFC
9 122 Sacramento State BIG SKY
10 125 Furman SOUTHERN
11 127 Austin Peay UNITED ATHLETIC
12 129 South Dakota MVFC
13 130 Montana BIG SKY
14 131 Central Arkansas UNITED ATHLETIC
15 136 Delaware COASTAL
16 137 Incarnate Word SOUTHLAND
17 138 Illinois State MVFC
18 139 Chattanooga SOUTHERN
19 140 UC Davis BIG SKY
20 141 Holy Cross PATRIOT
21 142 New Hampshire COASTAL
22 143 Western Carolina SOUTHERN
23 145 Villanova COASTAL
24 149 Eastern Washington BIG SKY
25 150 SE Missouri State BIG SOUTH/OVC
Other MFVC teams – number is the overall D1 rank:
154 Missouri State
202 Murray State
203 Indiana State
239 Western IllinoisLast edited by JackJD; 10-25-2023, 06:01 PM.Comment
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Compared to recent years, USD vying for most improved in FCS. The ‘Yotes are now recognized in the FCS Coaches and Stats Perform Top 25 polls as well as in the Sagarin computer-generated, statistics-based ranking. The Sagarin computer-generated ranking shows six MVFC teams ranked ahead of USD but in the win/loss column, USD ahead of every team in the MVFC except for SDSU. This weekend’s game will carry a lot of interest beyond Vermillion and Brookings.
Educated guess (i.e....too lazy to research) USD's #9 rank in the FCS Coaches Poll and #4 rank in the State Perform Top 25 Poll must be the highest rating of a Coyote football team since going D1. That's fun stuff. For those FCS football fans in faraway places, the State of South Dakota must appear to be some sort of hotbed for football.Last edited by JackJD; 10-25-2023, 06:00 PM.Comment
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The four teams from the Dakotas, none with 20 years in D1, are all ranked. That's a quick zip up in football quality. To broaden the view, all of the FCS teams in the Dakotas, Montana and IA are ranked in one or both polls.You know that you're over the hill when your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill. - L. GeorgeComment
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Pretty good guess! You got me curious. A search of the 2017 Streveler team yielded these results from the team Wikipedia page (Wikipedia also has the week by week Stats/Coaches listed).Originally posted by JackJD View Post
They started 5-0 and peaked at #4 in both for week 6 voting. win at Drake, win at Bowling Green, win vs #10 UND, win at #13 WIU, win vs #3 YSU
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The Selection Committee just released their top 10.
1. South Dakota State
2. Montana State
3. Furman
4. South Dakota
5. Delaware
6. Montana
7. Idaho
8. Sacramento State
9. Western Carolina
10. Incarnate WordComment
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Here's the FCS Playoff Committee's first ranking (referred to above in post 52):
The committee’s Top 10 announced today::
1. South Dakota State
2. Montana State
3. Furman
4. South Dakota
5. Delaware
6. Montana
7. Idaho
8. Sac State
9. Western Carolina
10. UIW
From the article by Sam Herder::
The FCS playoff committee revealed its Top 10 ranking today on ESPN2.
The ranking was based on games so far and was not projecting ahead.
In the 24-team playoff bracket, the top eight teams are seeded with first-round byes.
Link to today's article by Herder:
https://herosports.com/fcs-playoff-c...-ranking-bzbz/
Within today's article is a link to a short piece by Herder written yesterday (10/24/23) in which Herder wrote the following under the headline "2023 FCS Bracketology 2.0 -- Playoff Predictions (10-24-2023)":
The 2023 FCS playoff bracket has 10 auto-bids and 14 at-large bids. Eight teams will be seeded with first-round byes.
How the playoff field changes and takes shape every week is fascinating. So after every weekend of games moving forward, I will predict what the bracket will look like.
Below are predictions for the seeds, auto-bids, at-large bids, the bracket, and which teams are on the bubble.
Seeds
These are playoff predictions and don’t reflect my current Top 25. The numbers associated with teams may not match where I currently rank them on my ballot.
1. South Dakota State
2. Montana State
3. Furman
4. South Dakota
5. Delaware
6. Montana
7. Western Carolina
8. Idaho
Auto-Bids
Big Sky – Montana State
Big South-OVC – UT Martin
CAA – Delaware
MVFC – South Dakota State
NEC – Duquesne
Patriot – Lafayette
Pioneer – Davidson
SoCon – Furman
Southland – UIW
UAC – Central Arkansas
At-Large Bids
Ordered from most likely to least likely to get in. Seeded teams who are not their conference’s auto-bid will be at the top.
South Dakota (seed)
Montana (seed)
Western Carolina (seed)
Idaho (seed)
Sacramento State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
UAlbany
Villanova
Youngstown State
21. Southern Illinois
22. Austin Peay
23. Chattanooga
24. UC Davis
Bubble Teams Left Out
Ordered from the best chance to make the bracket out of this group to the worst chance.
25. Northern Iowa
26. Richmond
27. New Hampshire
28. Mercer
29. Tennessee State
30. Fordham
In yesterday's article, Herder discussed how the playoff brackets are regionalized to save travel costs...tying to utilize as many bus trips as possible in the first round (bus trip defined as 400 miles or less). See the Herder article from 10/24/23 for more concise details on the brackets.
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Three teams in the top 10 lost today:Originally posted by JackJD View Post- 'Cats lost 24-21 to Vandals
- 'Yotes lost to good guys
- WCU lost 45-38 to Mercer
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The polls coming out after today’s games will be interesting. I wonder if Montana State will get demoted? I think USD will remain in the Stats Perform top 10 but will drop to around 14 in the Coaches poll. It’s going to be confusing. I think I will pencil out my best guess for top 10 but keep it to myself.Comment
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