Lujan or Christion?

[westernjack]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

I know it is a little OT but The O-line means a lot to this discussion, and more than QB that is where my concerns (offensively) lie. but I think TC has a slight edge.

TC being in should help the o-line out tremendously. When Lujan was in the d-line didn't have to respect any sort of QB run or scramble. They could come all out and not be punished if they got out of their respective gaps. With TC in there the d-line will have to be much more tentative off the ball to be prepared for the read option. When the d-line is pass rushing if one of them gets out of their assigned gap TC has the running ability to make them pay, as we saw in the ISU game. Go back and watch the NDSU game, their d-ends only jobs that day were to get to the spot Lujan was receiving the shotgun snap because he rarely moved from their. Don't think they would have been able to do that with TC

[ringthebells]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Christion is what this years team needs, just as Weineke was who last years team needed. Both teams were good without them, but they are on another level with them. If TC tears it up for the rest of the year, should we be mad that it took an injury for him to see the field?

[Justwin]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Let's just face it, TC is the most talented player at QB period! Yes there are going to be ups and downs with him as a freshman but there is only 1 way to make him a sophomore and that would be play him now. You can't replace game experience with practice! The coaching staff needs to put a game plan together to help him be successful.

[slosho]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Lujan is a game manager, he has a ceiling that has probably already been reached. He is a prototypical backup QB, someone who isn't going to light it up when you put him in there (against decent competition), but he will get the job done. Don't let his inflated stats against Kansas, SUU, and RMU fool you. Last year, he had Cal Poly, SUU, and Oshkosh to inflate his stats. He barely got by in the Missouri valley games he won last year, barely beating Mo St. at home, pulling a miracle at UNI, then losing to YSU on hobo day. Everyone keeps referring to his 8-3 record, but 6 of those wins are out of conference. Lujan didn't lead us into the playoffs winning 3 in a row to end the year, Sumner did. I think people need to step back and realize that Lujan isn't as good as people are making him out to be, and Christion is the right guy to start going forward. As other people have said, if Christion really struggles, we know what we have in Lujan, but personally, I don't think Lujan is going to lead us to a championship, and maybe not even the playoffs.

I know it is a little OT but The O-line means a lot to this discussion, and more than QB that is where my concerns (offensively) lie. but I think TC has a slight edge.

[jack power]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Lujan will be a very good back-up

[CappinHard]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

This is a tough spot. Bench a veteran QB who is on the leader board statistically, or bench the guy that gives you so many more options? I re-watched the ISUb game last night. Although TC seemed a bit excited, he was able to calm down and throw lasers. I wonder how ZJ's stats look if he doesn't have Weineke winning so many toss ups? A nice problem to have to be sure. Although its fun to move on to the young, exciting unknown, and even though TC has a few more arrows in his quiver, I think you have to go with Lujan. We know what he can do against the good, the bad and the NDSU. We've only seen TC against a bad ISUb defense. I don't think TC showed us enough for a veteran starter and statistical leader to lose his starting job because of injury.

Lujan is a game manager, he has a ceiling that has probably already been reached. He is a prototypical backup QB, someone who isn't going to light it up when you put him in there (against decent competition), but he will get the job done. Don't let his inflated stats against Kansas, SUU, and RMU fool you. Last year, he had Cal Poly, SUU, and Oshkosh to inflate his stats. He barely got by in the Missouri valley games he won last year, barely beating Mo St. at home, pulling a miracle at UNI, then losing to YSU on hobo day. Everyone keeps referring to his 8-3 record, but 6 of those wins are out of conference. Lujan didn't lead us into the playoffs winning 3 in a row to end the year, Sumner did. I think people need to step back and realize that Lujan isn't as good as people are making him out to be, and Christion is the right guy to start going forward. As other people have said, if Christion really struggles, we know what we have in Lujan, but personally, I don't think Lujan is going to lead us to a championship, and maybe not even the playoffs.

[jbjack]

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This is a tough spot. Bench a veteran QB who is on the leader board statistically, or bench the guy that gives you so many more options? I re-watched the ISUb game last night. Although TC seemed a bit excited, he was able to calm down and throw lasers. I wonder how ZJ's stats look if he doesn't have Weineke winning so many toss ups? A nice problem to have to be sure. Although its fun to move on to the young, exciting unknown, and even though TC has a few more arrows in his quiver, I think you have to go with Lujan. We know what he can do against the good, the bad and the NDSU. We've only seen TC against a bad ISUb defense. I don't think TC showed us enough for a veteran starter and statistical leader to lose his starting job because of injury.

[CappinHard]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Yep. After seeing some of the plays he made Saturday night it should be TC. And honestly I don't really think its even close

Well... This discussion has certainly tamed down a bit. I have thought about it, and I think the coaching staff saw this as an opportunity to get more games out of Christion. Think about it, if they let Douglas play until Lujan gets back, and let Lujan run the team for the rest of the season, assuming he doesn't perform poorly, he will probably be the incumbent starter come next year as well. At that point, you are reduced to trying to work Christion into the offense in creative ways while Lujan remains as the starter. By starting him now, you have a legit reason to start him next season and have a very good backup in Lujan for the next year and a half. If you look at it from this point of view, it all makes a lot of sense. Now, I hope that this is they way the coaches were thinking... The talk of getting both of them involved makes me leary, as I have never been a fan of dual-qb systems. I hope it's just coach speak and a combination of not wanting to tip their hand along with showing some respect to Lujan.

[rjacks21]

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I answered this earlier, but I think with the Redshirt pulled... you go with Christion, and have Lujan on ready alert, in case of injury (or cramps), and in case the youngster struggles. (It happens!).

Agree 100%. You give the kid a shot and if he struggles you put in Lujan.

[da_coach]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

I answered this earlier, but I think with the Redshirt pulled... you go with Christion, and have Lujan on ready alert, in case of injury (or cramps), and in case the youngster struggles. (It happens!).

[westernjack]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

I think for us to be a legitimate threat as a national title contender, we need Christion as the starter. Lujan is a good player, but he doesn't stress a defense like Christion does.

I don't think our running game is strong enough this year to rely solely on a pocket passer, as seen when going up against the likes of NDSU. With having to go up against some very good defenses yet this year in YSU, UNI, ISU, and WIU, I think we need to have the dual threat option that Taryn brings to the table.

Yep. After seeing some of the plays he made Saturday night it should be TC. And honestly I don't really think its even close

[Jacks-02]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

I think for us to be a legitimate threat as a national title contender, we need Christion as the starter. Lujan is a good player, but he doesn't stress a defense like Christion does.

I don't think our running game is strong enough this year to rely solely on a pocket passer, as seen when going up against the likes of NDSU. With having to go up against some very good defenses yet this year in YSU, UNI, ISU, and WIU, I think we need to have the dual threat option that Taryn brings to the table.

[Jackedforlife]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

Players come to train and compete. There is no guarantee of starts and sometimes you get beat out and it never turns out like you wanted. Some of those guys leave the program and hope for greener pastures at some other school. Others stay, do their best, realize the quality of education they're receiving. Look at Reggie Gandy, do you think he thought this was how it'd play out? Do you think Stig thought that he'd be have a career like this. Players compete everyday, in practice, the weight room and on game days. Lujan is a special kid, a smart kid. He can see the skill set TC brings that he cannot. Zach leads, a captain that will do his part to help the team win a championship. If that means mentoring and helping TC he'll do it. He did all Saturday night. There is a tremendous amount of respect in that QB room.

Start TC, his skills will only improve as it goes. Lujan will find time and when he does he'll do his job. Just like last year.

[AugieJackFan]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

One word answer. Both.

[Justwin]

Re: Lujon or Christion?

This will be a defining moment for.............Stig.