2014 Season Tickets and schedule

[jack power]

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IIRC when the conference added USD they also stopped playing a full round robin schedule, at least partially because the teams in the far east and far south of the conference only wanted to have to make one trip per season to the Dakotas. If all of the teams in the conference start having schedule difficulties, it may be appropriate to revisit that issue and look for one more team to add and play ten (5 at home and 5 on the road) conference games per season. Of course, that will depend largely on those faraway teams. I don't recall if anyone has mentioned the recent SEC proposal to require each of its members to schedule at least one OOC game against a team from one of the other power conferences. Just one mere nail in the FCS scheduling coffin if SEC games become more difficult to get. But, maybe the SEC isn't a real factor.

Actually the SEC is going to continue playing a 8 game schedule with one game against power conference school. This allows them to continue playing FCS teams,which their commissioner reaffirmed.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I'll let #1 respond accordingly, but the point I was trying to make is that any home game that is scheduled in Brookings, whether that is against Butler or the School of the Blind, SDSU can automatically count on revenue generation from the season ticket holders because we are forced to buy tickets for that game (much like pre-season games and season ticket holders in the NFL). I'm not sure how you could really debate that my point is not valid - unless we are actually losing money by paying the opponent more than we expect to take in.

Personally, I don't mind the Athletic Department grabbing for some extra cash. Money pays the bills.

I'm more upset with the fact that they couldn't find somebody who would count for a playoff bid. At least find a DII.

[witness]

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A Little thread drift, but wasnt the school for the blind up in Gary Sd till about 1960ish? which has since been turned in to the buffalo ridge resort. Which i have been to and its very nice so if your looking for a nice weekend getaway its very peaceful there. The resturant was pretty good too which is where the cafeteria was and there are tunnels underground to get to and from building on campus due to bad weather and its got a lot of the old charm and character still in tact.

Yes, it was located in Gary.

[goon]

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I'll let #1 respond accordingly, but the point I was trying to make is that any home game that is scheduled in Brookings, whether that is against Butler or the School of the Blind, SDSU can automatically count on revenue generation from the season ticket holders because we are forced to buy tickets for that game (much like pre-season games and season ticket holders in the NFL). I'm not sure how you could really debate that my point is not valid - unless we are actually losing money by paying the opponent more than we expect to take in.

A Little thread drift, but wasnt the school for the blind up in Gary Sd till about 1960ish? which has since been turned in to the buffalo ridge resort. Which i have been to and its very nice so if your looking for a nice weekend getaway its very peaceful there. The resturant was pretty good too which is where the cafeteria was and there are tunnels underground to get to and from building on campus due to bad weather and its got a lot of the old charm and character still in tact.

[TK22867]

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Yepper 20 bucks.

We will not lose money on the Oskosh game. Even with 8000 tickets sold we have $160,000 in revenue. If we pay them as high as $100,000 in guarantee, there is still $60,000 in margin. The guarantee was not disclosed but 100k would be quite a bit to pay. It could be less.

I'll let #1 respond accordingly, but the point I was trying to make is that any home game that is scheduled in Brookings, whether that is against Butler or the School of the Blind, SDSU can automatically count on revenue generation from the season ticket holders because we are forced to buy tickets for that game (much like pre-season games and season ticket holders in the NFL). I'm not sure how you could really debate that my point is not valid - unless we are actually losing money by paying the opponent more than we expect to take in.

[Nidaros]

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With all due respect, can you clarify that comment? Are we as season ticket holders not paying for a ticket for this game, or are we getting our tickets for free?

Or are you stating that because of how much we had to pay Osh Kosh B'Gosh to come play, SDSU will lose money on this game - even with the extra dollars from season ticket holders?

Yepper 20 bucks.

We will not lose money on the Oskosh game. Even with 8000 tickets sold we have $160,000 in revenue. If we pay them as high as $100,000 in guarantee, there is still $60,000 in margin. The guarantee was not disclosed but 100k would be quite a bit to pay. It could be less.

[TK22867]

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Honestly TK, sometimes I wonder what world you come from? There are no $$$$$$$ from season ticketholders regarding the playing of this game or having decided not to schedule it.

With all due respect, can you clarify that comment? Are we as season ticket holders paying for a ticket for this game, or are we getting our tickets for free?

Or are you stating that because of how much we had to pay Osh Kosh B'Gosh to come play, SDSU will lose money on this game - even with the extra dollars from season ticket holders?

[OldHare]

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I would guess that the reservations that some might have about scheduling has been noted as there was reference to a comment about more people getting involved in the scheduling. If there is a game with the school of the blind next year, we might think no lessons were learned. It is not greatly different for the men basketball to have D2 teams coming to Frost since it is not easy to schedule D1 OOC for home games. Meanwhile, we should expect a large effort much earlier to solve these schedule problems. The BCS games are scheduled years ahead. It may take a similar effort to get FCS teams in rotation as well. The schedule plan will need a tweak since last year's game with Butler was a last minute event as well.

[jackmd]

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Honestly TK, sometimes I wonder what world you come from? There are no $$$$$$$ from season ticketholders regarding the playing of this game or having decided not to schedule it. And I know for sure that nobody in the athletic administration or football staff wanted a two-week bye before jumping into the conference season, and the date they wanted to fill was Sept. 20, not Sept. 27. AND, we needed a game for Beef Bowl day, which always brings a large crowd of its own.

Take a deep breath all of you O My Gosh fans (or is that O MY Gosh, Oskosh fans?). I personally am aware of all the difficulties at getting even this game scheduled. Everything will be just fine...and those of you who want to give away your tickets for that game can send them my way. I can make good use of them.

I'm somewhere in the middle on this. I don't think its unreasonable to have an expectation that a season ticket holder be able to attend 6 division I FCS level games at home in a year allowing a 12 game schedule. If I am recalling correctly there have been a couple of seasons that hasn't happened or nearly hasn't happened. I will attend the game if my work schedule allows because I support SDSU and Jackrabbit athletics. Beef bowl fans will attend as well and there will be a nice walk-up if the weather is good. So, from a general fan perspective and as a Jackrabbit booster I'm perfectly okay with it. As a season ticket holder contemplating a much larger investment in future season tickets I'm a bit concerned about what it says about future scheduling. I don't think its unreasonable to have some reservations about it.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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1 - Automatic revenue generation through season ticket holder $.

Honestly TK, sometimes I wonder what world you come from? There are no $$$$$$$ from season ticketholders regarding the playing of this game or having decided not to schedule it. And I know for sure that nobody in the athletic administration or football staff wanted a two-week bye before jumping into the conference season, and the date they wanted to fill was Sept. 20, not Sept. 27. AND, we needed a game for Beef Bowl day, which always brings a large crowd of its own.

Take a deep breath all of you O My Gosh fans (or is that O MY Gosh, Oskosh fans?). I personally am aware of all the difficulties at getting even this game scheduled. Everything will be just fine...and those of you who want to give away your tickets for that game can send them my way. I can make good use of them.

[West-River_Jack]

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IIRC when the conference added USD they also stopped playing a full round robin schedule, at least partially because the teams in the far east and far south of the conference only wanted to have to make one trip per season to the Dakotas. If all of the teams in the conference start having schedule difficulties, it may be appropriate to revisit that issue and look for one more team to add and play ten (5 at home and 5 on the road) conference games per season. Of course, that will depend largely on those faraway teams. I don't recall if anyone has mentioned the recent SEC proposal to require each of its members to schedule at least one OOC game against a team from one of the other power conferences. Just one mere nail in the FCS scheduling coffin if SEC games become more difficult to get. But, maybe the SEC isn't a real factor.

[shot_5533]

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Virtually every FCS team plays a BCS team every year. I don't see that changing unless the BCS teams quit scheduling FCS teams. Even some of the most prestigious FCS programs schedule BCS games out of necessity (See the U of Montana).

As far as staying regional.....we have been. Illinois is the farthest we have traveled as I recall. It's not like we have gone to Oregon.

BCS are starting to not schedule FCS teams i.e.: The Big Ten. They are receiving too much money now from their expansion, Maryland and Rutgers. They can't get enough conference games scheduled against all of the teams in the conference to begin with. Also, you have Wisconsin discouraging other Big Ten games from scheduling schools. With the TV contracts, they are lacking for money thus eliminating the need for non conference FCS games. Plus they have nothing to win and everything to lose playing FCS schools. Cal Poly should have beat Wisconsin, and look at the losses the Big Ten teams have had. Especially Minnesota. Kill is doing everything he can to avoid playing FCS school. Minnesota bought out North Carolina for fear of a loss. and so on.

The Administration has had to deal with this new reality. I initially was upset about this game but have given it some thought. I am giving them a pass. I think SDSU decided a game was better than not playing a game.

My opinion is the Valley conference should help the teams within the conference with regards to schedules. I also the NCAA, especially those in the FCS division, need to look at scheduling and start working together to help avoid such situations. I'm sure that SDSU is not the only team having this struggle. Let the NCAA start earning some of their money. I think the NCAA and the Valley would have more to offer than most others.

[goon]

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Virtually every FCS team plays a BCS team every year. I don't see that changing unless the BCS teams quit scheduling FCS teams. Even some of the most prestigious FCS programs schedule BCS games out of necessity (See the U of Montana).

As far as staying regional.....we have been. Illinois is the farthest we have traveled as I recall. It's not like we have gone to Oregon.

Ill and Mizzu arent like its a simple car ride IMO. Iowa, Ia state and minn and neb fit that region more, but yeah we arent going down to florida or USC for a game. besides the pay day I think the benefit is the hype if you do pull off the upset. aside from USD beating Minn which was rather short lives, NDSU etc and others who do its huge for the program, seems some schools arent paying out as much for the games as they use too. I wouldnt be surprised if with the changes in confrence and BSC reconfigurations that it will few availabilities for a decent payday from those games. Or I suppose it could pay even more as teams are playing harder non con games to get signiture wins and still need a cupcake to try to get an easy win and might have to pay more for those wins.

[goon]

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Put me down for some of those $20 tickets...

i just meant that was avg for all tickets, so thats 40 bucks for season ticket holders, and "free" for students and the band (which i know they are not getting in for free but you know what i mean), and comp give tix away etc. so i figure its a good round number to use for my simple calculations.

[MontanaRabbit]

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yeah, its not like we are playing a non counter every year, this seems to be hopefully a one year problem. I understand the issues when needing to get that money as a pay day, and budgets etc, but those BCS games are almost always a loss. which put the team down a game essentially to start the season. I would think that they should hold out of for a bigger pay day, or stick to just some regional play.

Out of curiosity does anyone know how much every home game we host makes on avg? with ticket sales, consessions etc? I would have to think that with a new stadium just years away from being finished, that revenue will only go up every game I think off setting the need for the BCS games. In my pipe world dream i think it would be great if we could produce enough reveune to start demanding atleast 6 home games every year, and if we dont have a BCS game try to get a 7th game. that would be amazing, but I doubt we will ever see it, but I dream because say the revenue for each home game is say 400K or more, we wouldnt need to count on BCS games every year and then having a non counter is less of an issue. Just my pipe dream really but it would be awesome.

Virtually every FCS team plays a BCS team every year. I don't see that changing unless the BCS teams quit scheduling FCS teams. Even some of the most prestigious FCS programs schedule BCS games out of necessity (See the U of Montana).

As far as staying regional.....we have been. Illinois is the farthest we have traveled as I recall. It's not like we have gone to Oregon.