Fizon Vs. Funnies Game day thread

[KUlawJack]

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Sumner put that ball right into Rollins' hands. He dropped it. Good play call and it should have worked. After that incompletion the Bison knew they were going to run it on 2nd down and then came 3rd down. I understand your comment and I agree with you, but it should have been a touchdown.

When your QB is 6'5" and weighs 230 pounds, you should QB sneak that thing right away. If we can't get a foot on 3 downs, then there are much larger issues.

[SDSUAlum08]

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When your QB is 6'5" and weighs 230 pounds, you should QB sneak that thing right away. If we can't get a foot on 3 downs, then there are much larger issues.

I agree, but the play should have been made and it would have resulted in a TD.

I think the QB sneak should be Sumner's call. Call a play and if he sees the opening when he gets up to the line he goes. I mentioned during the game to the person I was with that they NEVER run any QB sneaks. Sumner needs to get up to the line and just tap the center and go. They could easily get 5 yards a pop on that if they catch them off guard. He'll learn that though as he gets older and more comfortable.

[goon]

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I agree, but the play should have been made and it would have resulted in a TD.

I think the QB sneak should be Sumner's call. Call a play and if he sees the opening when he gets up to the line he goes. I mentioned during the game to the person I was with that they NEVER run any QB sneaks. Sumner needs to get up to the line and just tap the center and go. They could easily get 5 yards a pop on that if they catch them off guard. He'll learn that though as he gets older and more comfortable.

My dad and I said the same thing. Your QB in big and strong enoug even as a frsh he should be able to punch that in. Don't even tell the rest of the team the count just pinch his rump and the 2 of you just go sumner seems able to take a hit something tob couldn't do. I think they are calling plays as if tob is still back there.

[TransAmBison]

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@Nidaros...I have not been through all the threads on Bisonville yet as it kind of exploded with threads over the weekend, but I have not seen much in the line of gloating yet. Everybody knows the game could have changed completely with a few key plays reversed. We were able to capitalize on a few mistakes made by a very young Jacks team. You made a comment about Holloway and then apologized and then took the apology back. I'm not saying an apology was needed or anything, but the comment was not one becoming of you or your fanbase.


I've tried to have some fun on your messageboard but always be respectful. I don't think my comments about your program have been any different on Bisonville.

My guess is frustration was just showing...and that is understandable.

[Nidaros]

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@Nidaros...I have not been through all the threads on Bisonville yet as it kind of exploded with threads over the weekend, but I have not seen much in the line of gloating yet. Everybody knows the game could have changed completely with a few key plays reversed. We were able to capitalize on a few mistakes made by a very young Jacks team. You made a comment about Holloway and then apologized and then took the apology back. I'm not saying an apology was needed or anything, but the comment was not one becoming of you or your fanbase.


I've tried to have some fun on your messageboard but always be respectful. I don't think my comments about your program have been any different on Bisonville.

My guess is frustration was just showing...and that is understandable.

Yes the frustration is showing and I am having a hard time shaking it but am starting to let go today, and by Wednesday I will have forgotten Saturday's out come.

Having been a watcher of SDSU-NDSU games going back to the 1950's, in the early days SDSU used to dominate NDSU a great deal in everything. In fact NDSU hired away one of Ralph Ginn's assistants Bob Danielson. You will have to get the media guide out to find out that Bob was not successful at NDSU going 0-10 in 1962. Bob however was a real gentleman and his oldest daughter Sharon was a classmate in public school in Brookings. She was so proud of her dad, and it had to be a sad day at their home when Bob got his walking papers. The reason he was not successful at NDSU was that he did not have the financial resources that Coach Bohl has today. A new president had just took over at NDSU and he wanted a winning football field. Prior to this SDSU was probably leadng the other NCC schools in fund raising. The new president decided to do things different and suggested that they get some contributions from the business community in Fargo. They hired Darrell Mudra the next year and with the extra resources the wins at NDSU just came naturally. NDSU was no longer fighting USD and Augie for the basement of the NCC. They were on top.

Decade after decade of wins and championships were witnessed by yours truly, so to lose to NDSU is to loose a part or your soul. Down at Brookings meantime, our coach got old he could not find the guys to put together wins and he finally retired. We hired Dave Kargethorpe who was at SDSU one year and took off for Weber State, and ended up at Oregon State. Then they hired an assistant from Kansas, Pryor, who want to take SDSU to D1 level but had not resources to do it, so after two years he went down to Arkansas State where they built him a new staduim and bunch of other goodies. Next we hired John Gregrory, not a bad coach but was faced with a budget that did not match NDSU or UND. John did in 1976 stop the win streak of NDSU. but we would go until 1993 and Mike Daly at coach to win again. Then we picked a few more wins off recently. The wins in this series to not favor SDSU. Although when Bison posters make the comment that "SDSU has no football tradition" They are correct if you look only at post 1963, but its still painful to hear.

What is the purpose of this litany? I seen more NDSU wins than SDSU wins and I like to win too. My frustration does not give me a right to accuse Halloway of faking an injury. I just felt like jumping in when some Bison poster brought up here on our board . I am not any different than the Duebrook fan who pushed the opposing school principal to the ground.(see thread about the trouble in paradise)(Around South Dakota)

I have watched Holloway on TV in several games. He has been a depth threat to opposing teams like USD last year where he had a field day. So I have respect for the guy, and he is a great athlete. I do apologize for jumping in.

I did see some guy in a big yellow coat parading around with his pretty wife. I guess I should stopped and introduced myself. Maybe next time. Keep the Demotivational Thead going.

[TransAmBison]

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Now that is a thread more along the lines of what I would expect from a SDSU fan. You've supported your team for a long time even when the times were bad...I respect that.

Yes, you should have introduced yourself! That is why I went walking through the tailgate...in hopes of SDSU posters seeing me (kind of hard to miss I know) and stopping to say hi. I met a few that way...was hoping for more but this is a start. Hopefully some of you guys make the trip next year and then I can meet more of you in 2 more years at your place.

I may take a little time off from the Demotivational Poster thread...do not want to appear to be rubbing salt in the wound. I don't like gloating. I much prefer to be humble in victory as I know how it feels to be on the losing side and have to bite one's tongue.

[joeboo22]

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When your QB is 6'5" and weighs 230 pounds, you should QB sneak that thing right away. If we can't get a foot on 3 downs, then there are much larger issues.

Either QB sneek or a QB roll out option pass type of a play.

[goon]

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Either QB sneek or a QB roll out option pass type of a play.

I am pretty sure we rolled the qb out more then once this year in the same situation and if I recall, we scored a TD doing so. Not sure why we are affraid to try something that we were actually able to score a TD on.

[rjacks21]

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I am pretty sure we rolled the qb out more then once this year in the same situation and if I recall, we scored a TD doing so. Not sure why we are affraid to try something that we were actually able to score a TD on.

Rolling out the QB might fall under Captain Nutmeg's "Communist Ball" category thus we are not allowed to run that play very often. That's a little too aggressive for him.

[goon]

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Rolling out the QB might fall under Captain Nutmeg's "Communist Ball" category thus we are not allowed to run that play very often. That's a little too aggressive for him.

Just it seems the fans believe in this team and do or die mindset more then the coaches do. Like they are protecting them from having to make a play. Well shucks we tried but got stuffed again. Tip our hat to the other guys they were better. I am tired of that attitude.

I know Meadows coaching philosophy is that you can tell the other team what play your going to run but we are going to excute it so well it doesnt matter if they know the play we are running. Well we are not excuting so very well, maybe it would be wise to change or disquise some different looks. I think we have a talented enough team to do that. I feel its the coaches putting them in the wrong situation. I bet we dont even have a trick play in the books. And by trick plays, I mean and end around or a delayed hand off or any kind of miss-direction.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Just it seems the fans believe in this team and do or die mindset more then the coaches do. Like they are protecting them from having to make a play. Well shucks we tried but got stuffed again. Tip our hat to the other guys they were better. I am tired of that attitude.

I know Meadows coaching philosophy is that you can tell the other team what play your going to run but we are going to excute it so well it doesnt matter if they know the play we are running. Well we are not excuting so very well, maybe it would be wise to change or disquise some different looks. I think we have a talented enough team to do that. I feel its the coaches putting them in the wrong situation. I bet we dont even have a trick play in the books. And by trick plays, I mean and end around or a delayed hand off or any kind of miss-direction.

Come on man...you're a better fan than this. You're acting like the coaches don't care. Of course they do! Their jobs depend on them winning football games! Last year against Nebraska the team ran the wildcat formation on the 1 yd line and EVERYONE on here questioned the call, including me. Two years ago against Southern Illinois they ran an end around to Kool and lost about 5 yards after being on the 1 yd line. Everyone was pissed about that one too. They run plays because they think they're going to work. If Rollins would have caught that pass then none of this would have mattered. Also, if the line would have blocked someone on the 2nd down run play we wouldn't be second guessing it either. If they win, nothing else matters. I understand your frustration and everyone else's, but it comes down to the players making those plays. Which obviously is on the shoulders of the coaches, and they know this.

We've lost basically an entire redshirt-sophmore class because of attrition. These are the players that would be stepping into major roles this year and adding much needed depth to this team. It is going to take SDSU a couple of years to make up for this problem. According to the coaches (this is right from the horse's mouth), they knew they weren't going to be that great of a team this year. They essentially warned everyone they could publicly and behind the scenes. However, after saying that they said that this redshirt class is probably the best class that has come through this program. There will be some fantastic players and some real dudes, just wait! The entire starting offense is underclassmen except for Moss. How many defensive seniors are there? 5? Maybe? And the defense has been sub par to say the least, but no doubt a few of them will be missed.

The coaches know they're struggling, but saying things like you said above kind of pisses me off. Sorry. I'm sure you're a great fan and all, but it does.

The coaches need better resources if they're going to be competitive in this league. That, my fellow friends, is where we need to contribute.

[boxerboy]

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Sumner's first year was last year -- a red-shirt year. He's not a true freshman this year.

My Bad

[joeboo22]

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Come on man...you're a better fan than this. You're acting like the coaches don't care. Of course they do! Their jobs depend on them winning football games! Last year against Nebraska the team ran the wildcat formation on the 1 yd line and EVERYONE on here questioned the call, including me. Two years ago against Southern Illinois they ran an end around to Kool and lost about 5 yards after being on the 1 yd line. Everyone was pissed about that one too. They run plays because they think they're going to work. If Rollins would have caught that pass then none of this would have mattered. Also, if the line would have blocked someone on the 2nd down run play we wouldn't be second guessing it either. If they win, nothing else matters. I understand your frustration and everyone else's, but it comes down to the players making those plays. Which obviously is on the shoulders of the coaches, and they know this.

We've lost basically an entire redshirt-sophmore class because of attrition. These are the players that would be stepping into major roles this year and adding much needed depth to this team. It is going to take SDSU a couple of years to make up for this problem. According to the coaches (this is right from the horse's mouth), they knew they weren't going to be that great of a team this year. They essentially warned everyone they could publicly and behind the scenes. However, after saying that they said that this redshirt class is probably the best class that has come through this program. There will be some fantastic players and some real dudes, just wait! The entire starting offense is underclassmen except for Moss. How many defensive seniors are there? 5? Maybe? And the defense has been sub par to say the least, but no doubt a few of them will be missed.

The coaches know they're struggling, but saying things like you said above kind of pisses me off. Sorry. I'm sure you're a great fan and all, but it does.

The coaches need better resources if they're going to be competitive in this league. That, my fellow friends, is where we need to contribute.

I agree with some of things said, but I can not blame all of this on a few kids getting kicked out, flunking out or leaving. Its football not basketball. There are what around 90 kids on the roster? basketball there is what 16? In basketball I can buy the 1 or 2 guys got hurt or left unexpectedly, but not for football.

If the coaches knew that they weren't going to have a corner on the roster then they should have been making phone calls to Juco's, and D-I schools about transfers. From the sounds of it only 1 person at that position left after the spring. They knew that was going to be a hole and they failed to fill it. They have gave up countless big plays all year, and I'd argue forced to play a soft zone because they are playing safeties and linebackers at corner. They have pulled 2 redshirts off freshman yet I hardly see them on the field.

And I think the this team is young is overused. Most of them do have quite a bit of game experience.

[JimmyJack]

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Come on man...you're a better fan than this. You're acting like the coaches don't care. Of course they do! Their jobs depend on them winning football games! Last year against Nebraska the team ran the wildcat formation on the 1 yd line and EVERYONE on here questioned the call, including me. Two years ago against Southern Illinois they ran an end around to Kool and lost about 5 yards after being on the 1 yd line. Everyone was pissed about that one too. They run plays because they think they're going to work. If Rollins would have caught that pass then none of this would have mattered. Also, if the line would have blocked someone on the 2nd down run play we wouldn't be second guessing it either. If they win, nothing else matters. I understand your frustration and everyone else's, but it comes down to the players making those plays. Which obviously is on the shoulders of the coaches, and they know this.

We've lost basically an entire redshirt-sophmore class because of attrition. These are the players that would be stepping into major roles this year and adding much needed depth to this team. It is going to take SDSU a couple of years to make up for this problem. According to the coaches (this is right from the horse's mouth), they knew they weren't going to be that great of a team this year. They essentially warned everyone they could publicly and behind the scenes. However, after saying that they said that this redshirt class is probably the best class that has come through this program. There will be some fantastic players and some real dudes, just wait! The entire starting offense is underclassmen except for Moss. How many defensive seniors are there? 5? Maybe? And the defense has been sub par to say the least, but no doubt a few of them will be missed.

The coaches know they're struggling, but saying things like you said above kind of pisses me off. Sorry. I'm sure you're a great fan and all, but it does.

The coaches need better resources if they're going to be competitive in this league. That, my fellow friends, is where we need to contribute.

This.

[goon]

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Come on man...you're a better fan than this. You're acting like the coaches don't care. Of course they do! Their jobs depend on them winning football games! Last year against Nebraska the team ran the wildcat formation on the 1 yd line and EVERYONE on here questioned the call, including me. Two years ago against Southern Illinois they ran an end around to Kool and lost about 5 yards after being on the 1 yd line. Everyone was pissed about that one too. They run plays because they think they're going to work. If Rollins would have caught that pass then none of this would have mattered. Also, if the line would have blocked someone on the 2nd down run play we wouldn't be second guessing it either. If they win, nothing else matters. I understand your frustration and everyone else's, but it comes down to the players making those plays. Which obviously is on the shoulders of the coaches, and they know this.

We've lost basically an entire redshirt-sophmore class because of attrition. These are the players that would be stepping into major roles this year and adding much needed depth to this team. It is going to take SDSU a couple of years to make up for this problem. According to the coaches (this is right from the horse's mouth), they knew they weren't going to be that great of a team this year. They essentially warned everyone they could publicly and behind the scenes. However, after saying that they said that this redshirt class is probably the best class that has come through this program. There will be some fantastic players and some real dudes, just wait! The entire starting offense is underclassmen except for Moss. How many defensive seniors are there? 5? Maybe? And the defense has been sub par to say the least, but no doubt a few of them will be missed.

The coaches know they're struggling, but saying things like you said above kind of pisses me off. Sorry. I'm sure you're a great fan and all, but it does.

The coaches need better resources if they're going to be competitive in this league. That, my fellow friends, is where we need to contribute.

I am not sure why it would p*** you off when I expect that our team should be better then it is. I don't like to make excuses for why they are struggling. Awe shucks will only get us so far. I don't want to sound like a jerk. thats not my intention at all. I just dont feel the team is responding with the ALL in motto or the coaches are not effective helping the players.

I never said the coaches dont care. I just dont feel they are putting players in position to use their strenghts. There are many other teams who are playing a young line up and not having the issues we are. If we are struggling because we have a weak soph class. That really doesnt say much for the upper classman. There are players who need to step up for sure. No question about it. But the Coaches need to identify their are issues they are not fixing. Either the coaches are not capable of fixing them or the players are not capable of responding to said fixes. When we can manage the transition with winning seasons and better execution with some D-2 atheletes and young guys stepping in. There is no reason now that we are fully D-1 that we can not continue to win. How many games into the year untill the coaches said they will have to adjust the running game because it is not working. I feel that is something should have been addressed in spring ball or fall camp.

Stigs teams have consistantly shown to have a conservative style of calling plays. The variety of plays and formations we run are not complicated compared to what other teams we play have. Sure it hurts losing players who are expected to fill a role, but there are other guys who were recruited that should have to step in. I think players efforts are there, execution is there like 75% of the time. But the coaches need to figure out how to get them 100% of the time.

Maybe you feel differently but I feel a lot of our play calling is to not lose. Instead of playing calls to win. At the game, we were driving getting close to score on the first drive, most fans around us wanted to go for it on 4th and get the TD. I feel the call for the FG took the wind out of the fans after the first possesion.

I know other plays dont work 100% of the time, but the stack the line and run up the middle has been pretty ineffective. Its not like we had great sucess with the run and finally got stuffed. Its happened all year. Either the coaches dont have confidence to call something and take a little risk, like a roll out, or the players are not capable of executing the plays. Either way that ends on the coaches. I like Stig, a lot. He helped me as a freshman taking time out of his schedule during fall camp to talk to my mom and I about who I would need to talk to and how to go about getting cleared to join the tennis team. He invited us to his office in the hyper and really was helpful. I have no desire or do we have to get a new head coach. Since we have lost some assistants the last several years, I think there is a direct correlation to the on field success to who is running plays on offense and the teams ability to respond.