Fizon Vs. Funnies Game day thread

[SDSUAlum08]

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I am not sure why it would p*** you off when I expect that our team should be better then it is. I don't like to make excuses for why they are struggling. Awe shucks will only get us so far. I don't want to sound like a jerk. thats not my intention at all. I just dont feel the team is responding with the ALL in motto or the coaches are not effective helping the players. I never said the coaches dont care. I just dont feel they are putting players in position to use their strenghts. There are many other teams who are playing a young line up and not having the issues we are. If we are struggling because we have a weak soph class. That really doesnt say much for the upper classman. There are players who need to step up for sure. No question about it. But the Coaches need to identify their are issues they are not fixing. Either the coaches are not capable of fixing them or the players are not capable of responding to said fixes. When we can manage the transition with winning seasons and better execution with some D-2 atheletes and young guys stepping in. There is no reason now that we are fully D-1 that we can not continue to win. How many games into the year untill the coaches said they will have to adjust the running game because it is not working. I feel that is something should have been addressed in spring ball or fall camp. Stigs teams have consistantly shown to have a conservative style of calling plays. The variety of plays and formations we run are not complicated compared to what other teams we play have. Sure it hurts losing players who are expected to fill a role, but there are other guys who were recruited that should have to step in. I think players efforts are there, execution is there like 75% of the time. But the coaches need to figure out how to get them 100% of the time. Maybe you feel differently but I feel a lot of our play calling is to not lose. Instead of playing calls to win. At the game, we were driving getting close to score on the first drive, most fans around us wanted to go for it on 4th and get the TD. I feel the call for the FG took the wind out of the fans after the first possesion. I know other plays dont work 100% of the time, but the stack the line and run up the middle has been pretty ineffective. Its not like we had great sucess with the run and finally got stuffed. Its happened all year. Either the coaches dont have confidence to call something and take a little risk, like a roll out, or the players are not capable of executing the plays. Either way that ends on the coaches. I like Stig, a lot. He helped me as a freshman taking time out of his schedule during fall camp to talk to my mom and I about who I would need to talk to and how to go about getting cleared to join the tennis team. He invited us to his office in the hyper and really was helpful. I have no desire or do we have to get a new head coach. Since we have lost some assistants the last several years, I think there is a direct correlation to the on field success to who is running plays on offense and the teams ability to respond.

Valid points Goon. I didn't mean to pick on you either I was aiming at everyone for the 'Fire Stig' comments, etc. This team needs financial support before they can stay atop the Missouri Valley every year.

[joeboo22]

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Maybe we need a timeout all around again?

I'll just say this I think everyone believes changes need to be made, I think the difference is how. Coach Nagy had to can an assistant and make some changes. Will Stig have to do the same? I think one thing that needs to be understood is that numerous bad seasons in a row are going to be excepted. Coaches have lost their jobs at SDSU since going D-I because of their success on the field. I don't think the football coaches should be exempted because of this. Now I'm not crazy enough to say fire everyone and get new guys. I don't think its fair to "clean house" with the resources SDSU has. NDSU funds their sports and football way better then SDSU does.

As far as whether conservative play calling is acceptable? I'm not a gimicky kind of guy, but some creativity needs to be found. On defense if you don't have the players find them

[goon]

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Valid points Goon. I didn't mean to pick on you either I was aiming at everyone for the 'Fire Stig' comments, etc. This team needs financial support before they can stay atop the Missouri Valley every year.

Cant argue that we need facility and funds, but during the transition players bought into it. When asked why they picked SDSU, almost everyone said it was coaches. I think that shows highly of Stig. When we can go through the transition and win and make the playoffs with the facilities we have, I think we should be capable of winning once we are through the transtion. New stadium will help, but I think the key to SDSU is having everying buy into it. which I feel was not happing considering the coaches are really pushing the all in motto.

[JACKGUYII]

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It seems a few posters think the majority of our problems revolve around lack of resources as it relates to adding more assistants and funding. I think that lets these coaches and players off the hook and I believe are issues go well beyond the two excuses referenced above. Does the program need more resources yes, but that would not have solved some of the consistent mistakes made by these coaches and players over and over.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I don't like the plays we call. If I had access to game film and the time, I would love to look at the percentage of time we run the ball on 1st down. It's got to be ridiculously high. Other coaches do have access and time to look at these things and they recognize our tendencies. When we struggle to run the ball anyway, it does not help when every other team knows we are going to run. Our play-calling needs more creativity.

[goon]

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I don't like the plays we call. If I had access to game film and the time, I would love to look at the percentage of time we run the ball on 1st down. It's got to be ridiculously high. Other coaches do have access and time to look at these things and they recognize our tendencies. When we struggle to run the ball anyway, it does not help when every other team knows we are going to run. Our play-calling needs more creativity.

I think the formations are the biggest problem. When we have 3 WR we pass when we have a lead blocker or a line shift we run. Rarely do we stray from that which I think leads to the tendencies of calling the same plays at the same time problem.

[SDSUAlum08]

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I think the formations are the biggest problem. When we have 3 WR we pass when we have a lead blocker or a line shift we run. Rarely do we stray from that which I think leads to the tendencies of calling the same plays at the same time problem.

When Berry was QB we ran a ton of off tackle stuff from the shotgun. You'd have to breakdown the film like RO said to really get a feeling for the playcalling.

[goon]

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When Berry was QB we ran a ton of off tackle stuff from the shotgun. You'd have to breakdown the film like RO said to really get a feeling for the playcalling.

Exactly, our variety of running plays out of formations is lacking. We can do some very well, but others we really havent shown the ability to do anything different in certain sets.

[JackJD]

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...NDSU funds their sports and football way better then SDSU does....

Common misconception.

Evidence shows we're doing something right. Last year, SDSU won the Commissioner's Cup in the Summit League last year. We were the best overall program. There are 18 Summit League sports counted in the Commissioner's Cup ... last year, SDSU was top five in 12 of them. Don't ever lose sight of that fact when talking about one sport, football. Some Summit opponents will point out that we won the Cup because we sponsor more sports than they do -- well, invest money in more sports and try to take us on.

We do not appear to support our football program at the same level as a number of schools in the MVFC. To the eye, our facility needs work. NDSU appears to provide greater financial support its football team. I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes financially to rectify this situation. When we build a new stadium, it will be the newest and nicest and other schools will be years away from building a nicer one, but eventually they will. And the cycle will start anew.

What's in the future for UNI? Are the threats to cut state-funding for athletics still being discussed? That will be devastating for UNI.

[jackmd]

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It seems a few posters think the majority of our problems revolve around lack of resources as it relates to adding more assistants and funding. I think that lets these coaches and players off the hook and I believe are issues go well beyond the two excuses referenced above. Does the program need more resources yes, but that would not have solved some of the consistent mistakes made by these coaches and players over and over.

This, the results this year are not acceptable long term and cannot be passed off to lack of funding or sub par facilities. Coach Stig and his staff will accept responsibility and improve things or a change will need to occur. That is just the way it works at this level.

[shot_5533]

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It seems a few posters think the majority of our problems revolve around lack of resources as it relates to adding more assistants and funding. I think that lets these coaches and players off the hook and I believe are issues go well beyond the two excuses referenced above. Does the program need more resources yes, but that would not have solved some of the consistent mistakes made by these coaches and players over and over.

More money does not make you coordinators smarter; however, they are short one coach and it shows. Meadow's has to carry a dual role as O line and O coordinator. Eidness never came up to Wilkinson's standards after Wilkenson left for a BSC job @ Colorado State. We never replaced the D 1 caliber coach we had in Wilkinson. Meadows + Eidness < Wilkinson. What I notice about the defense is they seldom change packages. I don't even think they have an 8 man short yardage package. They keep the LB's in on obviuos passing downs. I know they are short CB's, but they did this the last few years too.

Where Stig is responsible - the simple fact - he is in charge. When a coach is in trouble, changes usually occur - ie. coordinators resign or resign. As someone pointed out earlier, Sell did not hire Stig. I am not saying Stig will or should be fired. That is up to the AD. All I know is the AD is trying to get great new facilities, which will cost money and at the same time add money. Losing football games doesn't help this cause. Another area where Stig is responsible is that the Jacks talent level is not below the other teams. It is coaching that is getting them beat. The staff is responsible for the talent level anyway.

Watch Stig's press conferance. He looks baffled, frazzled, and searching for answers. Whether this is true or not, the perception he portraid is there. What baffles me is Stig flat out said he is not responsible for personel decisions. No one has mentioned this yet. The head guy is not in charge of personel decisions? Shouldn't the head coach have the final say as he is responsible? Stig also said that he disagreed with his assistant coaches opinions in regard to this during the press conferance. Do you bench your best players for the biggest game of the year when the head coach disagrees with the tatic?

Add this to all of the turmoil this year. TOB, suspending captains, losing, etc. Staying the course may be the Jacks way and the way the things are done in Brookings. Does the AD agree with this? Hence I predict some change, but could be just foolish thinking on my part.

The next three games will be telling. The Jacks have a chance to win all three. Here is hoping that they do.

[Nidaros]

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More money does not make you coordinators smarter; however, they are short one coach and it shows. Meadow's has to carry a dual role as O line and O coordinator. Eidness never came up to Wilkinson's standards after Wilkenson left for a BSC job @ Colorado State. We never replaced the D 1 caliber coach we had in Wilkinson. Meadows + Eidness < Wilkinson. What I notice about the defense is they seldom change packages. I don't even think they have an 8 man short yardage package. They keep the LB's in on obviuos passing downs. I know they are short CB's, but they did this the last few years too.

Where Stig is responsible - the simple fact - he is in charge. When a coach is in trouble, changes usually occur - ie. coordinators resign or resign. As someone pointed out earlier, Sell did not hire Stig. I am not saying Stig will or should be fired. That is up to the AD. All I know is the AD is trying to get great new facilities, which will cost money and at the same time add money. Losing football games doesn't help this cause. Another area where Stig is responsible is that the Jacks talent level is not below the other teams. It is coaching that is getting them beat. The staff is responsible for the talent level anyway.

Watch Stig's press conferance. He looks baffled, frazzled, and searching for answers. Whether this is true or not, the perception he portraid is there. What baffles me is Stig flat out said he is not responsible for personel decisions. No one has mentioned this yet. The head guy is not in charge of personel decisions? Shouldn't the head coach have the final say as he is responsible? Stig also said that he disagreed with his assistant coaches opinions in regard to this during the press conferance. Do you bench your best players for the biggest game of the year when the head coach disagrees with the tatic?

Add this to all of the turmoil this year. TOB, suspending captains, losing, etc. Staying the course may be the Jacks way and the way the things are done in Brookings. Does the AD agree with this? Hence I predict some change, but could be just foolish thinking on my part.

The next three games will be telling. The Jacks have a chance to win all three. Here is hoping that they do.

When the lanky guy with the stache decides to make a change it will happen.

[TransAmBison]

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When the lanky guy with the stache decides to make a change it will happen.

Dale Lennon?

[Nidaros]

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Dale Lennon?

No President David Chicone President of SDSU. He is a big football fan. President Chicone was the Big Ten faculty rep at Illionios so he knows what it goes on in the athletic department. Inspite of what you may read on this board, I think Stig still has some slack left in his rope.

Dale and Stig coached together at Northern State so they are also good buddies so if anything Dale would lobby to keep Stig on as head coach.

[SDSUAlum08]

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No President David Chicone President of SDSU. He is a big football fan. President Chicone was the Big Ten faculty rep at Illionios so he knows what it goes on in the athletic department. Inspite of what you may read on this board, I think Stig still has some slack left in his rope.

Dale and Stig coached together at Northern State so they are also good buddies so if anything Dale would lobby to keep Stig on as head coach.

TAB meant that as a joke. Bisonville likes to make fun of him and his stache.